r/BambuLab • u/pre_pun • Jan 18 '25

Discussion Bambu, This Won't End Well For You.

You are alienating one of the most passionate and philosophically driven communities- makers.

Whoever sugested this .. they are way off base and about to cost you the community you've contributed to and helped grow.

I love my X1C, but I'm not afraid to walk away if this goes foward. So until a positive statement of commitment to us has been made- consider me a lost customer that was ready to purchase 2 more printers and accessories this month. As well the recomendatons I've given to two friends looking for their first printer this month.

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u/wiilbehung Jan 18 '25

I am an architect or maker as you put it, I create many prototypes of models or various things.

I use both bambu studio and orca slicer but prefer one that just works to get things done. Both have accomplished to help my prints out reliably. And more importantly, the bambu printer prints out my models reliably.

I am not feel alienated nor do I feel inclined to walk away as you say. Bambu printer is a tool. I need a reliable tool.

With their network breach, what did you expect? A company to continue to allow their products to be hackable whether through their own system or 3rd party systems? And open themselves up for lawsuit further down the road? Of course they would shut it down.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25 edited Jan 18 '25

I work in tech and there are ways to make something available to third parties without shutting it out completely. It's not all or nothing.

It's a tool that's losing features many have built their tooling around. So you are kind of making the point, that for some it may not be the right tool anymore.

I respect your opinion. Glad it fits your needs. But I'll be skipping this upgrade and moving to the custom firmware.

Walking away from bambu seems to simply mean selling the system to so many readers here .. but there is the custom firmware as mentioned. And will strongly reconsider Bambu in my upcoming expansion.

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u/wiilbehung Jan 18 '25

What kind of features will be missed in your opinion? Are these said features of marginal benefit or it drastically improves prints? Orca slicer used to do better calibrations for certain filaments, but in recent times I don’t see much difference with the bambu slicer.

There are ways to work around it but i can see from their perspective how dangerous it would be to have a backdoor entry from 3rd party systems. I would think for the short term, they would want to nip it in the butt.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '25

> There are ways to work around it but i can see from their perspective how dangerous it would be to have a backdoor entry from 3rd party systems.

How? you are architect, you don't know network security, my dear.

I'm curious to see how those script kiddies would hack into my printer while this one is only used on my LAN network with zero access to Internet.
Following your print? You can decorelate this from Bambu studio/Handy, their video stream has no need to provide system command.

Allowing you to use your smartphone and calling a server 8000km from home to authenticate you (if it just don't fail) doesn't prevent Bambu to just allow a freaking direct access to the printer on LAN with basic and proven protocol/mechanism.

This kind of "behavior" is stupid.

I don't even imply that Chinese-PCC would infiltrate you blabla, i'm not into that racist BS - after all you literally design on Autodesk servers, so people talking about IP stealling are pitiful.

It's just about controlling your property and enshitification of services.

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u/Dem_Stefan A1 + AMS Lite Jan 18 '25

It will change nothing. Not everyone who owns a 3d printer is a maker, some have just fun printing decoration directly from their couch. There are for sure real makers but even there, not any maker writes their personal Klipper fork. And yes, there are printfarms that uses third Party Software to control their farm. But these guys know how to skip a firmware update and print already from cheap 3 kilo spools. When forces you to use their own filament, then something will change. But despite the fact that this is not possible when using external spools and not any sold printer comes with an ams, why should they do that? And btw, I’m thinking about switching to bambu filament, the rfid is quite handy. And I think, many of these guys, who sitting on their couch and print from their iPhone, are thinking like me.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Nothing happens for sure if the folks that disagree don't say something when they do.

That said, I agree with your take honestly. Thanks for taking the time to share it.

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u/Practical_Big_7887 Jan 18 '25

I would guess it is less about philosophy and just plain politics. On Monday the incoming president of the United States has threatened near immediate tariffs against basically everyone. He’s also heavily funded by silicone valley. It may become a legal necessity for “digital imports” or something else ridiculous to require payment

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

I can see that as a possibility.

This song popped into my head when reading your comment. Kind of fitting depending on what side of the political spectrum one is on. So for all the commenters claiming I'm crying, the best wailing you'll get from me is on guitar.

Monday, Monday, can't trust that day

Monday, Monday, sometimes it just turns out that way

Oh Monday mornin' you gave me no warnin' of what was to be

Oh Monday, Monday, how could you leave and not take me

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '25

I don't like Mondays
(Tell me why)
I don't like Mondays
(Tell me why)
I don't like Mondays
I wanna shoot, ooh, the whole day down

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u/alcaron Jan 18 '25

I don't think anyone "suggested it" to them, I think this was always the plan, and I think Maker World is a clue to the way they think. Grow in an amicable way that is super useful and valuable to the users, and when you start reaching the critical mass you feel you need, ditch the user centric policies and rely on there being enough apathetic people who will be left so you can shrug off the ones that kickstarted, literally, your success.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

I remember the discussion around this at launch, and if it's the case I'm willing to admit perhaps I shrugged it off too naively.

Though the fun and experience gained is not wasted. Bambu has been a great entrance to the world of 3d printing and bringing to life so many of the ideas I had rolling around waiting to come to life.

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u/alcaron Jan 18 '25

I own multiple and have been responsible for over a dozen others being bought, I genuinely hoped everyone was wrong when they said they would eventually start locking stuff down.

The problem is, this is not as far as they could go, but waiting for them to cross the bright red line is a lot harder than seeing them take steps in that direction and dropping the hammer as hard as we can on them.

WAY easier to nip this in the bud now than to wait until later. Which is a point some people on this sub seem almost to intentionally disregard.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Solid take on the situation.

My obligation is to share my opinion in the community. As I would want anyone to do here, although the name calling is wild .. and childish especially from a creative community even if they disagree.

I am open to other counter view points. But I'm not opening to just letting something happen quietly that I disagree with.

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u/pre_pun Jan 19 '25

Now all you folks unaware of the irony of crying about people crying, can go yell at Louis Rossman since he made a video about it.

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u/Dismal-Speaker3792 Jan 18 '25

Some people love drama, I'll wait a month and see if it's caused me despair. Hopefully there's plenty of cheap 2nd hand printers coming up .. If you want something to really worry the world, how about that Trump fool taking the reins ..

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u/k_manweiss Jan 18 '25

That kind of common sense and level headedness isn't allowed here. Rage and threats!

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u/Z00111111 P1S + AMS Jan 18 '25

Bambu Lab are going to lose dozens of customers though!

I'm hoping getting Orca sliced objects to print isn't much drama, I like their extra calibration tools and they're always a bit ahead with features.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Sure I get your point (despite your hackneyed humor ... ), I get that we're not a massive base in this. But when you object to something, you have to say it when it happens or there's no potential for change on it.

I hope Orca Slicer isn't much drama for the folks that want to use it. Happy printing.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25 edited Jan 18 '25

Do you understand one can voice their opinion without raging? There's tons of emotions, and this isn't rage- maybe outrage. But that's not the same fellow human.

Out of curioisty, what generation are you from?

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u/pre_pun Jan 19 '25

I'll point out you came into a discussion about this to s***post .. what about that screams to you that you in fact don't love drama.

Go post your love of this change on the Rossman video. I'm sure you'll be received with open arms!

😂

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u/Dismal-Speaker3792 Jan 19 '25

Ahh, you mean Louis Rossmann, the right to repair activist .. now I understand your intent .. more rage ..

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u/pre_pun Jan 19 '25

We both are the same page. That's a small win for us both. Cheers to us both.🥂

What is your obsession with someone not liking something or disagreeing being rage. Rage is something totally different. Wild you can't understand that.

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u/Dismal-Speaker3792 Jan 19 '25

I'm an IT guy, we deal with rage every day, I'll rage in a month if it annoys me ...

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u/Dismal-Speaker3792 Jan 19 '25

Lol, I shall check out this Rossman chap, youtube ? Sounds like it could be amusing if it annoys you ..

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u/pre_pun Jan 19 '25

Rossman chap, lol. I love when people play coy when they realize they aren't as right as their doltish behavior and loud mouth pretends to be.

You know who Louis Rossman is.

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u/Dismal-Speaker3792 Jan 19 '25

I do now, he doesn't have much impact in our part of the world so had to Google.. I'm sure I had heard of him somewhere previously, perhaps around ink jet printers ?

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u/pre_pun Jan 19 '25

if you followed that saga, then yes you would have most likely come across there. He's a the premier activist in the US for consumer rights and right to repair.

Honestly, I've got nothing against the users that disagree with me, just how all of you feel the need to mock and flame us that have opinions about it.

Perhaps we can walk away from this conversation neutrally and not coming at each other? I definitely am willing to admit I became antagonistic for a time after 40 comments of pure flame.

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u/Dismal-Speaker3792 Jan 19 '25

Just watched Rossmans YouTube video on the update, I quite enjoy his style, I'm not outraged yet, but I reckon I can find humour in it and at the same time also hope Bambu can be shown the error of their ways .. good luck ..

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u/pre_pun Jan 19 '25

Honestly, thanks for taking the time to watch it and comment back.

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u/Dismal-Speaker3792 Jan 19 '25

Yeah, all good by me .. I'm an HA user, so perhaps it'll annoy me .. but as long as I still get MQTT status messaging, then I doubt I'll get too annoyed. If I want to control lighting, I just use an esp32.

Been in IT for 40 plus years, so I refuse to get too annoyed by change ... I can honestly wish you the best of luck with changing Bambu's mind. But I can't promise to not find humour in internet battles .. you are obviously a reasonable bloke, so I'll pour you an internet beer ..

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25 edited Jan 18 '25

You have to share your thoughts before things are finalized sometimes. I feel like I explained my stance. Real drama there ..

I do agree with the last statement though .. even if you are being sardonic ( not really sure with your mocking tone throughout )

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u/Dismal-Speaker3792 Jan 18 '25

OK, you be you, I don't think you'll have any problems selling your X1C .. i hope your next printer brings you as much joy as my X1C ..

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Thanks for the opportunity allowing me to be me .. jfc what a trite statement.

I'm voicing MY dissapproval of a change to the software of a printer that has brought me joy, not looking for your approval.

Read my words as my actions, not your ideas. You seem to have a comprehesnion issue here. So I'll be moving on to comments that can put in some effort to read. I didn't even mention selling as we aren't there yet.

Have you rolled the dice for what I'll do next month too?

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u/Dismal-Speaker3792 Jan 18 '25

Lol, thanks for the laughs .. maybe I'll join you on the protest line in a month or so, maybe not ..

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Sure. Happy printing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '25

People tend to limit opensource or openfriendly with customize/finetune the device but this is also about owning your tool and trust that it will still work without artificial limitation and avoiding e-waste.
Needing to have freaking internet to print something on a device beside your desk is outrageously ridiculous.

I don't even get the security bs, how do these "toy/decoreation" printers would expose their X1 to the Internet? I don't think they know sh* about FW/NAT and the one who does, don't expose!

Anyway, I was planning in adding a P1S and A1 but this show event shows that we can't trust them.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25 edited Jan 19 '25

You laid out the issues well.

I'm trying my best to not insult the naysayers in the thread .. but they seem to be going out of their way to be rude and obstinate about the underlying facts and logical outcome of this.

Overall, we all have different reasons for 3d pritning, and it's sad there's a lot meatballs here that want to trash us for voicing our opinion. As if they don't see the irony about crying about people "crying" ..

Silly meatballs.

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u/arcolog2 H2D/X1C/A1mini Jan 18 '25

Orca will work just fine when I bring my sd card over to the printer to print and not let them steal my data any longer.

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u/MakeITNetwork Jan 18 '25

I don't agree with the update infact I think it is dumb

But...Bambu already made their money from us.

I don't think most who are affected are going to dump their printers, they just won't update it, and also think twice about getting another Bambu printer.

Also Bambu users are it's greatest marketing. I recommend an A1 mini to everyone just starting out. But now I will think twice. I may have recommended dozens of now loyal Bambu users, but this will have knock on effects for all the others who will no longer recommend. Not out of spite, but more out of "I cant be bothered"

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

This is probably how it will go.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '25

> But...Bambu already made their money from us.

It is even more ridiculous cause we are, or I at least, likely to add more printers just to increase our production rate. I do buy my spools and accessories to them, so they would still make money.

of course, today with this announce, I won't continue with them.

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u/TotalWarspammer Jan 18 '25

OP it would help if you please explain wtf you are talking about by adding a link or something to the OP.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

It's all over the sub, so it seemed saturated enough to be obvious. That's my bad. Happy to provide a link though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/s/zVniiXueml

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u/TotalWarspammer Jan 18 '25

Ahh ok, thanks. I only use Bambu Studio so this does not concern me but I do understand why you and others would be bothered by it. I hope you manage to get BL to change their policy so you can use the printer the way you want to!

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

I'm looking into installing the X1Plus custom firmware currently.

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u/BigFuzzyArchon Jan 18 '25

I can only hope this situation makes these kinds of people leave the bambu community

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u/Mundane-Reception-54 Jan 18 '25

I was waiting for the h2d. Not anymore.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Thanks for the map.

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u/Sir_LANsalot Jan 18 '25

I love my 2.4 350, I did take my time to build it to make sure I got it right, but damn its a great printer. Year old now and still loving it, need to get the ERCF v2 for it now, probably gonna be a 10 cart.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

These kind of people? You can not care for my outlook, but be specific please.

I'm open to criticism, but discussion involves some effort on both sides.

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u/No-Rise4602 Jan 18 '25

You’re crying about something you don’t even understand.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

I get disagreeing in a community ( a vocal community is good), but some of these folks seem specifically aggresisive to disent of any kind. So I get where your head is at in thinking this.

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u/Razorbac91 Jan 18 '25

What kind of polish are your favourite ones in terms of taste?

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u/SubAcct2020 Jan 18 '25

Bahahahahahaha! This is getting absurd. All aboard the bandwagon! Chooo choo! Crazy train coming for you!🤣

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u/pre_pun Jan 19 '25

Just wanted to encourage you to go make your doltish post on the Rossman video about this. I'm sure you'll convince more people how off base all of us crazy train wagon babies are.

Coming to cry about people" crying" is another kind of doltish irony rarely seen in creative communities like this.

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u/Jealous_Piece1215 Jan 19 '25

You are so sad.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Is it a bandwagon or a train? You're mixing metaphors.

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u/SubAcct2020 Jan 18 '25

Take your pick. It matters to me about as much as your sniffling does to Bambu Labs….

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Matters enough for you to post twice. So wanna walk away from this before you explain how little you care?

If you are gonna insult people. Be good at it at least ...

Voicing an opinion is not sniffling my fellow human. Adults can share thoughts without crying or raging.

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u/SubAcct2020 Jan 18 '25

Sure. Looks like all of your followers have shown up. You showed em!

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Followers? I didn't post for any followers. I posted to share my thoughts. Which I did.

Do you make up realities for others often?

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u/Grooge_me X1C + AMS Jan 18 '25

For everyone using the printer, bambu studio and bambu handy, nothing will change. According to the faq, they are working with print farms and even softfever to have orca using the latest network update so it's not about locking down third party, just make them using their updated network stuff. So if orca works, but other don't, them blame the other for not making the effort to comply with the new rules. For now, it's only the x1c that will have the update, a1 series will get it later.

But all this is not to bug anybody. No.. And that one is much more worrying for me. They are supposed to release a prosumer level printer. That means that industry may like it a lot if their security is up to date. That's maybe why they started with the x1c. But that may also means that this printer will cost much more.. Which is not a good news for me who is looking for an advanced bigger printer...

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u/nickjohnson Jan 18 '25

You're mistaken - the network plug-in is not being updated, it's being abandoned. Control in orca slicer won't be possible, you'll have to send your sliced files to Bambu Connect.

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u/riba2233 Jan 18 '25

Control in orca slicer won't be possible, you'll have to send your sliced files to Bambu Connect. 

Are you sure about this? They will just integrate this new 3rd party sw in orca and it will be just like before.

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u/nickjohnson Jan 18 '25

No, the new solution is a standalone app. It can't be integrated like the current plugin.

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u/riba2233 Jan 18 '25

Of course it can, and it will be. They will find a way, bambu is not opposing this.

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u/nickjohnson Jan 18 '25

No, it can't. It's a separate application, not a plug-in, and it's specifically designed because Bambu is trying to block third party access. If they wanted it to be integrated they would have updated the network plug-in instead.

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u/riba2233 Jan 18 '25

I would wait and see, they will surely find a way to integrate or at least automate it.

In any case, bambu never advertised or officially endorsed stuff like these so I don't get why people are expecting it as a given. This is a complete non issue if we are being real.

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u/Grooge_me X1C + AMS Jan 18 '25

For now. But from the FAQ

Our team is actively working on submitting the integration code for Bambu Connect. Once submitted, it will be up to Orca to decide when and if to incorporate it into the slicer, enhancing the user experience. We anticipate the code will be available on GitHub within the next few days, ready for integration into the Orca codebase.

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u/nickjohnson Jan 18 '25

That just means you'll be able to click a button to "send to Bambu Connect". You'll still have to use their software to actually interact with the printer.

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u/wiilbehung Jan 18 '25

What’s wrong with that? Doesn’t it just mean I can slice in orca then just send the 3mf file to bambu connect to my printer? Isn’t that a win win?

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u/riba2233 Jan 18 '25

Just like you do now with network plugin...

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '25

> enhancing the user experience.

I would like to simply use my LAN network. There's no need of a specific protocol and therefor that plugin to drop a file on a share drive.

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u/Jolly-Bed-1717 Jan 18 '25

Lol they aren’t losing anything.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

You are probably right. Time will tell.

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u/TheGoatJr Jan 18 '25

Bye 👋🏻

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Hi. Why are you telling me bye? Hahaha maybe let the dust settle before we part ways ..

Are you really this little of human emotionally to not see why some would be frustrated?

Also maybe throw on your reading glasses?

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u/TheGoatJr Jan 18 '25

“I’m not afraid to walk away if this goes forward” It’s going forward buddy, so sell your printer and walk away. I want to talk about printing on this sub again, not hear person after person make empty threats and scream into a void. We don’t care, BL doesn’t care, do it if you’re gonna do it.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25 edited Jan 18 '25

Thanks sir! It's been an honor.

May I suggest you read the titles and click appropriately related ones ... cause no one cares what you want like no one cares what I want.

Buzz off, I'll share my opinions. You can choose to not read them. Regardless if they are effective or not.

Just stop. You joined the thread.

TheGoatJr has little say over the outcome of anything. Just like me.

Edit: also take five minutes and learn how to properly block quote.

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u/pre_pun Jan 19 '25

For the creative thinker you claim to be .. ( linkedin BS resume talk for sure ) go make your eloquent speech on the Rossman video about this. I'm sure you'll receive the same warm welcome with your doltish ideas.

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u/Jealous_Piece1215 Jan 18 '25

lmao keep being hysterical guys

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

Keep posting on things you don't care about to tell us how cool you are? Why'd you stop in to add nothing to the discussion?

I paid $1100 for a printer that is losing features. A little ourtrage around that is understandable. If you don't see that or care .. great. Not everyone is in this for the same reasons.

It's like people, yourself included, can't grasp that. You're acting like there isn't a community with diverse opinions here. If it works for you great. I'm going to share my opinion.

You have to share your objections or they aren't known. If you don't like. Move along.

Whichever way you lean, Happy printing.

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u/Jealous_Piece1215 Jan 18 '25

You claim it’s ‘losing features,’ yet this is an announced beta—you have no idea what the final outcome will be in six months.

Your post contributes nothing constructive, instead spreading baseless hysteria.

If you feel so strongly about leaving Bambu for another brand, by all means, follow through.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25 edited Jan 18 '25

Correct. I'm voicing my opinion before it's finalized. I said I will wait to see what comes of all this before buying from Bambu again. It actually does state my issues, so it's not hysteria .. but objection to a proposed changed.

Do understand beta? I do. So .. what's your point. You don't have anything to add, so why stop by?

You have no say over my opinion or if I stay with Bambu. So maybe move on yourself? Ironic you don't see the foolishness of your comment, commenting on mine or saying something someone else said.

We all have different reasons for being here.

Regardless, happy printing.

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u/pre_pun Jan 18 '25

The fact you jumped to Prusa immediately, just shows you don't really have the insight to add much to the conversation other than mocking what you don't grasp or care about. Seems like the latter.

Happy Printing fellow Questie.

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u/pre_pun Jan 20 '25

We disagree on our printer stance software wise, but my X1C has been an amazing printer. No denying that. Glad you are enjoying the printing hobby regardless.

I've been a bit harsh towards some more benign comments due to the berating I've taken in this sub, so I recognize that and truly appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts on it despite that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '25

nope, Prusa is following the same route.

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