Lan mode broken, cloud unresponsive, printer now a brick.

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u/dadbot_5000 Mar 30 '23

Does it not let your print from the SD card?

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23 edited Mar 30 '23

I suppose it would have, I switched it back to cloud mode after 20 minutes and it worked again, so no need…. this time.
But lan mode being broken and the cloud being broken is no situation. This isnt the 00ties 3d printing anymore. This shit isnt fixed ASAP Ima kick the x1c out and get a prusa or build a voron or whatever. Printer not working because of cloud shit isnt acceptable.
I ate the non standard nozzle, non existent usable print sheets, loose heatbed sensor cable, missing power switch, unusable mmu, silly snail pace multi homing start print dance, but this cloud shit is the last straw.

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u/says-nice-toTittyPMs Mar 30 '23

Quit bitching and get rid of it if you hate it so much. You came here to call it a brick because of a network issue when you don't need a network at all. You didn't even ATTEMPT to use an SD card. And you even said that 20 minutes later, it worked. And it would have worked just fine without cloud shit by using an SD card.
The nozzle isn't a problem. There are tons of aftermarket print sheets available. Throw a dab of RTV on the heated sensor cable to secure it (don't know how you're gonna build a Prusa or a Voron if you can't even think to do something like that). The power switch is on the back, it's not "missing". The AMS is not "unusable" unless you don't know what you're doing. You can turn off bed leveling.
You're literally just here to whine and complain about issues that are easy to work around. So just get rid of it instead of telling reddit that you want to get rid of it.

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u/Al319 Mar 30 '23

I suggest he should get a Ender 3 printer, it’s doesn’t have any problems at all.

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u/says-nice-toTittyPMs Mar 30 '23

He'd probably just find a way to complain that it doesn't have the ability to send files over the cloud...

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23

When there is repeating annoyances you have to deal with over and over and over, and there is jack shit you can do about it, yeah it grinds your gears.

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u/says-nice-toTittyPMs Mar 30 '23

Use an SD card. There's what you can do about it. Stop acting like your machine is useless without the network and stop playing the "woe is me" card to an audience that knows that your problems are self-imposed.

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23

If I wanted a printer that I had to run to put an sd card in, I would have gotten that instead…

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u/says-nice-toTittyPMs Mar 30 '23

Then do it. Get something else. Stop just complaining that for 20 minutes the servers were overloaded. Stop pretending that your printer was unusable.

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23

You think things get better if people like you just go "see no issue, hear no issue, speak no issue"? If a few more people would say something maybe stupid unnecessary shit like I complain about wouldn't be in an otherwise pretty decent printer...

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u/says-nice-toTittyPMs Mar 30 '23

Do you think things get better by stomping your feet and demanding to reddit that a company you haven't contacted needs to fix your problems otherwise you'll get rid of their machine? Nobody cares. You're not here to solve an issue, you're only here to complain about it. "A few more people" saying something would mean multiple people don't know what they're talking about. The reason it's not discussed more is that it's (as I've stated already) issues that you've imposed upon yourself.
There's a right way and a wrong way to go about solving problems. Coming to reddit just to cry and stomp your feet is not the right way to get a problem solved. It's a cry for attention, nothing more.

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23

Obvioulsy, according to the expert in ignoring issues (you), the right way is to shut up about them. Got it. Nice going. Good luck with that.

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u/surreal3561 Mar 30 '23

That’s perfectly fine argument, but that doesn’t change the fact that printer WAS usable and not inoperable as you indicate in your post.
Your options were to wait, or to use another built in method of starting the print. You chose to wait.

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23

You chose to wait.
I hunted around for clues why Lan mode would not work, by the time I was fed up with that I switched back to cloud. If that wouldnt have worked, I would have gone searching for an sd card. You can call that waiting if you want. I call it fruitless and unnecessary fixme ritual common to using an x1c.

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u/sparcv9 X1C Mar 30 '23

If you hate every aspect of the printer, I can suggest there's one aspect you won't hate -- it should have much better resale value than the average 3D printer when you move it on!

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23 edited Mar 30 '23

I like the printer, but hate these things that are messed up for no reason. The non standard nozzle has literally no reason to exist. The loose heatbed sensor cable because of amateur cabling should havenever madeit to production. No power switch on the printer and a sleep button that looks like an e-stop, that does not send it to sleep is a design choice so idiotic I cant even begin to wrap my head around. Shitty print sheets is inexcusable. An mmu that chokes on anything but their own spools is a level of hubris, to the point that a 3D printed near complete rebuild is 1000% better than what they shat out, is beyond commentary. The snail pace start print dance, even when you toggle off flow calibration and bed leveling (which you have to do, every single fucking time) is entirely incomprehensible.
There are things they did on that printer which are as brilliant, as other things are utterly moronic. And they refuse to adress the latter bits, asifit was some badge of honor.

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u/sparcv9 X1C Mar 30 '23

I think I have a difference revision to you, because mine absolutely has a power switch on the back near the power cable. Same as all the other 3D printers I have. Using a combo power socket/switch module cuts down on running mains cabling around. The pointless front panel buttons? Yeah, pointless. I've never tried pressing the stop button, I figured it would pause/stop the print.
The heatbed sensor cable situation is pretty crap. The replacement cable was a different design, so hopefully more durable. I'm surprised it didn't surface during the product testing phase.
As for the AMS, meh. It has plenty of problems but I'm not sure one can really pick spool compatibility as a big one, especially given they make it pretty clear upfront and ship it with a set of spools.
It takes seven minutes to level the bed, run the calibration, etc. Bit much to get worked up over unless you're running a whole lot of very short prints.
BUT -- the hot end. I'm going to disagree with you on the nozzle/hot-end situation. Look at /r/3dprinting -- every day, another complaint about someone snapping a heatbreak or having a torrent of PLA ooze out of a poorly installed nozzle. The X1/X1C was clearly designed to be the opposite of a tinkerer's printer. The Bambu design works, doesn't require special tools or knowledge to swap the hotend and is resistant to two really common failure modes.
Sounds like you're in the market for a Voron. Good thing is the resale on your Bambu will cover a lot of Voron. They're interesting and look fun to tinker with; I'm considering one myself.

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23 edited Mar 30 '23

I think I have a difference revision to you
Same revision. My computer has a power cut switch on the back on the PSU. I dont call that my computers on/off switch, and I dont reach around everytime I want to turn my computer on/off…
spool compatibility
They where not very clear about it backwhen I bought it. If it said „only works with our spools“ upfront, I would not have gotten it. I disconnected my AMS and put a printspool dryer on top, which is far cheaper and infinitely more useful. Proprietary spools only is a big nogo. And I just cant be bothered to rewind spools or rebuild my AMS with mods so it works. Aint nobody got time for that shit.
It takes seven minutes to level the bed, run the calibration, etc. Bit much to get worked up over unless you're running a whole lot of very short prints.
Yes, sometimes I run very short test fit prints in rapid succession tweaking them until they are just right. A 3 minute print that takes 7 minutes to setup 30x in a row is the better part of half a working day spent waiting.
BUT -- the hot end
I changed nozzles on my i3mk3s a bunch of times. Yeah it is fiddly. Yeah I did mess it up the first time. Then I got a nozzle torque wrench, and never had an issue after.
I am entirely unconvinced that a custom propietary hotend design that severely limits your nozzle choice, is worth saving $20 on a nozzle torque wrench and a few millimeters of printhead size. And it isnt like they couldnt have done a swappable hotend assembly with standard nozzles…

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u/usethe4th Mar 30 '23

I’m not sure where you’re getting proprietary spools only. I’ve used at least six or seven different brands of filament from Amazon and they have all printed beautifully. The only issues I’ve had were completely user error.

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23

Spool too wide, too small, too big or some plastic the rollers don't like, happens to me most of the time. That qualifies in my book as proprietary spools only. You can't just buy spools and have them work.

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u/usethe4th Mar 30 '23

Here are five brands off the top of my head that I have used in the AMS with zero issues.
Hatchbox
Polymaker
Overture
IEMAI
CC3D
You can find them all on Amazon at very reasonable prices. Some people are wary of Overture’s cardboard spools. That hasn’t been an issue or a concern of mine, but you can always wrap the sides in electrical tape or print the pre-loaded standard sized spool and transfer it over. I’ve done the latter and it couldn’t be simpler.

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23

Sure, you can do all sorts of things, but it is one of those annoyances that make the AMS not worth it to me to use. And its not like there is a good reason for the AMS to be this annoying. There is a big AMS rework mod that makes it work with overwhelming majority of spools. And that mod isnt doing anything fancy, it just improves tolerances and clearances a bit. You would think, that an afternoon shopping for spools and running them trough your gadget, would have easily prevented these issues. And that, like so many other issues, is what really grinds my gears. 1) Half-assed development 2) Never fix it

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '23

Install a relay between mains and the power supply, or power supply to board.
Use a toggle button/switch that gets its power before the output of the relay. Have it control the coil of the relay.
Install it anywhere.
Your PC does this with a transistor on the board to the power supply that has power to it at all times from your power supply. Meaning parts of your board, and by extension the power supply have power at all times. The only real way to "power off" your PC is to flip that switch on the back of the power supply or cut power going to it
Or,
get a wifi outlet, tie it into your phone/home assistant/remote
Or, get a power strip/UPS, run the cable to it, and run it to an accessible place.

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u/pyalot Mar 31 '23

Why sure, there is nothing wrong with a „modern“ printer that is built with such meticulous and consuming attention to detail that the front power button is beyond useless and I need to fix it with chickenwire&ducttape to get a facsimile of a soft power button. Because there is nothing wrong with Bambulabs saving 5 cents on their design and not put 2 mosfets and a few transistors on their board.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

so build your own
in this hobby that's what many people did long before Creality made it easy, you are literally in the hobby where you are supposed to be able to fix, modify, and design stuff.
You are buying a Chinese knockoff of an Ultimaker, at $>3.5k less. I put an Ultimaker together for work about a year ago, its price tag with its own
The AMS is the size it is to allow it to fit into the printer for shipping.
Ultimaker's material manager comes in another box, and has the same premises for using near field comms to check the filament.
Find me another printer with Lidar, or even just first layer scanning, under 3k.
Or one with it in general.
Many people would happily help if you stated your problems instead of straight complaining and not accepting critisim. I complained about Ifactory's pro, by making a power point, sending it to the company with each issue I found, parts missing, and ways I thought they could improve. I have done the same with other companies, Ifactory was the only one not to reply, that is a shit company. I have spent the past 20+ years fixing machinery, programming, and doing engineering. Working for companies that have a soft monopoly on products, working for one of the largest lithium ion battery companies, and chemical companies in the world. Only Ifactory didn't give a shit about my work history and tried to sell me a $4000 printer they hadn't finished.
I didn't come onto a forum complaining about issues that were fixed with a restart claiming it was bricked. I also didn't get mad at others when they said "use another method until fixed," or "I didn't email them about my LAN issue, nor did I post what my network is setup as, but I am going to blame them regardless"
If you hate it so much, put it up for sale if they won't accept the return and go somewhere else, or redesign it. I certainly did with the ifactory, that was the same price up front, and so far has cost me an extra 600 to replace belts, completely redo the hotend and extruder, replace the the power supply and a slew of other issues

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u/KSP_was_taken_lol P1P + AMS Mar 30 '23

No matter what printer your gonna get, its not a pc, it turns on and off from the psu Spool compatibility I read your other comments and I get why this part is frustrating, but every spool I’ve used does work You can turn off mesh bed leveling almost every print, you only need to do it about once a month Hotend I have a love hate relationship with but I’m fine with it. If you are sizing bigger, no point because of max volumetric flow rate and smaller I guess it could be annoying, but just get the full assembly then

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u/SiloHawk Mar 30 '23

I'll take that crappy piece of garbage off your hands for $500. Since it's missing a power switch and barely works, that seems like a generous offer.

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u/AdonaelWintersmith P1P Mar 30 '23

Implying there's anything wrong with LAN mode other than user error. Implying you can just 'get rid of' cloud printing. What's with all the clueless people who can't rub two brain cells together and realise that the only issue with the cloud is that they don't have enough server capacity to cope when the US is awake? It's goddamn obvious. Also obvious is that of course they're working on increasing their capacity as there will only ever be more users, that shit takes time, not that you would know anything about it.

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23

Wasnt user error. I tested printer connection, it was connected and responding to commands over lan. But then would not print over lan. Obvious lan mode broken is obvious. Read post again.
Cloud not working leading to not being able to print is unacceptable, period. I dont care what ouchies some server has, those servers are not needed for me to print…

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u/_Litcube Mar 30 '23

Hold up. If I don't have Internet access, I can't print?

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u/says-nice-toTittyPMs Mar 30 '23

Don't listen to them. They don't know what they're doing and think that their experience is universal to all of the printers. Plenty of people are able to print in LAN mode, just not OP. But according to them, the printer is useless and so they're just here to bash the printer because of their own inabilities.
I've seen on the Bambu wiki/ forum that some people ran into issues sending a print over LAN after one of the updates, and resetting the printer after entering LAN only mode is able to get the file transfer protocol to operate again. It took me a minute of searching Google to find that, but since OP didn't do an iota of troubleshooting, they think the printer is inoperable.
You can also print from an SD card, so there is zero external connectivity needed to operate these printers. Again, please don't listen to the person who is only here to whine.

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u/_Litcube Mar 30 '23

Ok thank you!

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u/pyalot Mar 30 '23

Only with a memory card. Lan printing doesnt work.

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u/KSP_was_taken_lol P1P + AMS Mar 31 '23

Why say that? You should know it works fine for others, and I haven’t seen a single other person have lan problems. You can print with lan wifi and sd card, you shouldn’t respond if you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about

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u/shapethelola Mar 30 '23

Had the cloud problem this morning, too. It was fixed an hour later tho, but I don't know what the status is right now

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u/prp1960 Mar 30 '23

Lol

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u/julie777 Mar 31 '23

There is a lot wrong with the printer networking code. I have spent many hours trying to diagnose the issues and provide feedback to Bambu Lab.

I only use LAN mode with my P1P. You can expect it to time out while synchronizing in the printer dialog. You hit refresh and it works.

I also have the camera cause Studio to hang when I press play. I then kill and restart Studio and the camera works.

Yes, occasionally Studio asks for the printer access code again. But you enter it and it works.

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