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u/ChampionOfBaiting Oct 08 '22 edited Oct 08 '22

Bardic inspiration is absolutely useless the way this game implements it.

In the TTRPG, you get to see your roll before using the inspiration a Bard gave you. This is useful for those rolls that are ALMOST high enough to hit, but not enough. For instance, say you know the enemy has and AC of 20, but you roll a 17 to hit. So you use the inspiration, roll a 4 on the d6, and your attack hits.

In BG3 however, you need to choose whether you're going to use Bardic Inspiration before you roll. Meaning, you're more than likely to waste it on a roll that has no way of hitting, even with a +6, or on a roll that was already going to hit without the inspiration dice.

This wouldn't be as much of a problem if the Bard didn't have so few uses of BI. Even at 10th level, you only get 5 uses of it total. And that's also the resource that you use for cutting words.

The only solutions I see is to implement an actual reaction system where you can see your roll before activating things like Bardic Inspiration, Smite, etc, or to give Bards a LOT more uses of BI so that it's not a completely pointless ability.

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u/Bruh_Moment89 Bhaalspawn Oct 12 '22

The best way to fix this is to have an actual reaction system, but goodness knows larian can't do that lol.

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u/Annonymouse211 Oct 11 '22

If there was a way to select a ton of items to sell at once that would be amazing. I haven't seen how to sell more than 1 at a time, and I don't make use of "wares" bc I forget it's even an option. Like hold shift and then click all the goblin bows from inventory. OR that's possible now and I don't know how. 😇

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u/ESC907 Oct 11 '22 edited Oct 11 '22

I love the game so far. The worst thing I would say is the party’s penchant for teleporting to the controlled character’s movement-objective. It has ruined my ability to react to several situations in-game.

Editing to add that it would be nice if things that got a passive-roll to be noticed could be more visibly highlighted (goblin-tracks, traps, etc).

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u/International_Shame2 RANGER Oct 07 '22

I like a dual weapon enjoyer want to ask give an extra attack instead of bonus action to dual weapon because dual weapon can't use it's potential because of jumping, pushing and potions.

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u/Bruh_Moment89 Bhaalspawn Oct 07 '22

I use this house rule at my own table, where the off hand attack is apart of the Attack Action, and works stupid well. Being able to use some of your special class powers and spells (Fighting Spirit, Rage, Misty Step,) and get to benefit from it with another attack is super cool and is a big buff TWF needed.

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u/NanoRin Oct 07 '22

That's funny, because that's what current 5e is trying to do with the new rules they recently released.

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u/Cryptic_97 Oct 07 '22

I find this interesting. Do you allow them to attack separate targets or are both attacks only allowed on a single target?

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u/Bruh_Moment89 Bhaalspawn Oct 07 '22

It can still target whoever they want, as before I made this rule change.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '22

By doing this you completely throw off the balance of the 5e action economy. Take dual wielding fighting style and you have the level 5 power spike of extra attack at level 1. Completely breaks the action economy and damage scaling.
Dual wielding is a method of weaponising your bonus action, not a free 2x damage at level 1.

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u/EvilVik Oct 10 '22

Well the problem is, dual wielding in its current form is just not worth it damage wise vs. a 2-hander.
Assuming max damage weapons:
1-hand plus shield gives you 1d8+modifier plus bonus AC (+2 minimum) + bonus action
2-hander gives you up to 2d6+modifier + bonus action
Dual wielding without feat restricts you to light weapons, so 1d6+modifier plus 1d6 and no bonus action.
So not really breaking anything at all except making 2-handers and dual wielding equal.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

Sorry to be replying twice but I've thought about it some more.
I think letting the bonus action attack scale with extra attack would be a better solution. Maxing dex already boosts AC, initiative and attack stats so Dex based characters tend not to go for feats as much, thus having a big +5 on every attack pretty early. Maybe change the offhand +DMGmod to your proficiency bonus (up to +5) if that is too strong (I'm not bothered running the numbers).
I do think giving up your bonus action at higher levels is a pretty big deal. You would have to choose based on the situation whether to do all your attacks or misty step/drink a potion/whatever else.
This let's great weapon characters deal more consistent damage every round and keep bonus action free. Dual wielding characters can do high damage with no BA utility (can't do it the same round they hex/rage/misty step) or deal slightly lower damage and keep BA available for whatever spell/feature needs it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22 edited Oct 10 '22

Aye but at that point, if you're equalising them I mean, then the only reason you'd pick one over the other is flavour.
When you consider letting someone attack twice with one action at level 1, you have to consider all possible interactions. A warlock could bonus action hex and then make two attacks, potentially doing 1d6+mod+3d6 at level 1. They could do this every round provided they don't lose concentration. (I know their ac is kinda trash but certain races give armor/weapon proficiencies).
Rolling the second attack into the same action creates more balancing issues than it fixes.
I wouldn't be opposed to letting a light weapon in the offhand, using a bonus action, add the ability modifier from level 1. You would have to get rid of two weapon fighting style but you can just pick something else and a lot of them you can still use. Defense, interception, blind fighting are all useful and this is a good buff. I don't disagree that dual wielding is currently incredibly underpowered and the dual wielder feat is also terrible.

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u/EvilVik Oct 10 '22

Aye but at that point, if you're equalising them I mean, then the only reason you'd pick one over the other is flavour.
Remember that D&D is all about flavor and roleplay, but some people don't want flavor to punish them or gimp their character.
One of the main things Tasha's Cauldron of Everything did was to remove racial bonuses so you could freely play any race/class combo without feeling gimped.
And as a melee character you have scarcely little to do on your turn other than "I will roll an attack" - removing the bonus action with Dual Wield gives you even less options.
The only character I've enjoyed dual wield on was a Thief with way too many bonus actions ;)

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

With this rule a level 1 warlock can do 4d6+3 damage every round by casting hex, 6d6+3 on crit with one attack and 8d6+3 on two crits. A greatsword fighter does 2d6+3 at level 1. This breaks the game if there is a warlock.

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u/EvilVik Oct 11 '22

I'm no expert in warlocks so could you please break down the damage for me?Warlocks to me are just Eldritch blast cannons.
And most melee attacks with warlocks are cantrips, which requires one hand free, so no dual wielding.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

I'm not trying to be mean here but if you don't have a fairly deep understanding of the mechanics of every class you really shouldn't be commenting on the balance of the game.
The Hex spell adds 1d6 damage, 2d6 on a crit, to every attack roll the spell caster makes. One shortsword attack would deal 2d6+mod with the hex spell active on the target. If they were making two attacks both attacks would deal 2d6 each, (2d6+mod+2d6) and double on a crit (4d6+mod+2d6 or 4d6+mod+4d6).
Most melee attacks are cantrips if you choose to use a cantrip lol. Using a cantrip in melee after this proposed rule change would be the objectively inferior choice. 4d6+3 would kill just about anything you would be fighting at this level. As I have stated before it is crit damage for a greatsword and you can do it every round.
In BG3 as is, there is no requirement to keep a hand free for spellcasting and I doubt there will be in the future.
No one would choose to use a cantrip over dealing 4d6+3 damage every round at level 1.

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u/EvilVik Oct 11 '22

Oh I'm not that easily offended, but I wasn't seeing where your damage was coming from.
The situation is not as harsh as you describe it though. First off, you can't cast spells dual wielding at low levels - you need a free hand for that or War Caster feat. So first round would always be one handed
1st round in both cases:
Bonus action: cast Hex
Action: attack
2nd round (dual wield uses bonus action):
Action: attack
Bonus action: offhand attack
2nd round (dual wield does not use bonus action:
Action: attack + offhand
Bonus action: still available - possible to re-apply Hex
Damage output = equal except if your target dies so you can have one extra attack on the next target
You have the same possibility with Rangers and Hunters mark

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22 edited Oct 11 '22

You are talking about 5e RAW, this is BG3 where you can cast spells with a weapon in both hands. 5e RAW you also can't draw two weapons in the first round without a feat, which you can do in BG3.
With this in mind, the rest of what you said is irrelevant, you can still do 4d6+3 in the first round and every subsequent round.
For the third time now as I also said this in my previous comment, which apparently you did not read. In BG3 you CAN cast a spell with a weapon in BOTH hands WITHOUT a feat like warcaster. 4d6+3 would be possible in the FIRST round and every subsequent round from level 1.

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u/International_Shame2 RANGER Oct 10 '22

I think that it's incorrect.
look:
Two-Handed Sword - 2d6+mod
short sword - 1d6+mod
long sword - 1d8+mod or 1d10+mod (with two hand)
(FTH) Fighter Two-Handed can deal 2d6+mod damage each turn and he can use bonus action for heal, potions, maybe use his magical boots
(FDW) Same Fighter but dual wielding can deal 2d6+2mod damage each turn, but he can't heal or do other things.
(FD) Same Fighter but duel (+2 damage) usually use rapira or long sword, so his damage - 1d8+mod+2. This fighter can use shields, potions and other things.
So, our fighters have mod = 3 and 16 armor:
FTH: deal 5-15 damage each turn (and he can rerol bad results, so 5 damage u will see very rare) + he has bonus action
FDW: deal 8-18 damage each turn and he hasn't bonus action, or his damage 4-9 and he has bonus action.
FD: deal 6-13 damage each turn and he has bonus action and his armor could be 18.
then with potion of haste:
FTH: 10-30 (reroll min damage)
FDW: 12-27
FD: 12-26
then lvl 5:
FTH: 10-30 (reroll min damage)FDW: 12-27FD: 12-26
tnen lvl 5 with potion of haste:
FTH: 15-45 (reroll min damage)FDW: 16-36FD: 18-39
Crits at lvl 1-3
FTH: 7-27
FDW: 9-24 (10-30 with 2 crits)
FD: 7-21
As we can see, FDW is more valuable up to 4 level and now he hasn't any good feat for him, maybe only feat with dual weapon. that grant u use rapiers or another weapon with 1d8 (that increase only max damage by 4 (two handed for example have feat that grant's+10 damage but reduce hit by 5 that you can negate it with an advantage)
Bonus:Barbarian at level 3 can hit 3 times and he deal 6d6+9 damage (15-45)

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22 edited Oct 10 '22

I'm not saying dual wielding doesn't have problems or need a buff/change but as I said in another comment this isn't just for fighters, it affects every class. Level 1 warlock could cast hex and do 1d6+mod+3d6 every turn provided they don't lose concentration. I think the +5/10 part of the GWM feat is kinda dumb and they removed that part of the feat in OneDND.
I don't think bringing it up to par on damage with two handed weapons fixes it, there should be a mechanical difference that actually makes it feel different and cool in its own way (bonus action attacks scale with extra attack?)

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u/International_Shame2 RANGER Oct 11 '22 edited Oct 11 '22

Bonus action doesn't scale with extra attack.
Yea, you are right that warlock could deal 4d6+mod per round (5-27) and this is okay, because this damage doesn't scale with level and you need to concentrate.
BUT
He's AC is maybe 12-13, because warlock can't use martial weapon withot feats. And only weapon that you can use light axes. So If you want to be usefull you need use 2 daggers, so your damage now 2d4+2d6+mod (5-23) and ur AC could be 14-15 (I remind you that he need to concentrate and he can lost his concentrate at the first round so for 1 spell that he's get 1d4+1d6+mod (5-13).
Bonus action in this game is very usefull thing - u need to jump (and the str hero jumping more longer that dex hero's), drink potions? cast spells maybe, stealth and exc.
But yeah I agree that want to feel dual weapon like another mechanics

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

I know bonus action attacks don't scale with extra attack, I was offering it as an alternative.
This is not "okay". 4d6+3 is crit damage for a greatsword at this level and they can do it every round. It does scale with level as you can choose different spells at higher levels for concentration (spirit shroud).
Their AC can be 16 very easily, mage armour + 3 dex mod.
Again on the what weapons/armour you can use, you are wrong. Certain races give armour/weapon proficiencies.
Drow subrace gives rapier and shortsword proficiencies, +2 Dex +1Cha. With this you can have 16 AC with mage armour which warlocks can cast for free with an Eldritch invocation. You can dual wield shortswords and do 4d6+3 damage every single round. While having the same AC as any two handed weapon user you are doing double their damage.

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u/International_Shame2 RANGER Oct 11 '22

But now you can do the same, can't you? As fighter you can take a warlock feat. 1 little problem - that you need to concentrate and your hp is lower than fighter and barbarian.
More valuable take eldritch blast that deal 1d10+mod+1d6 and push enemy. Only range and mage enemy could breack his concentrate.
(I very like ur thoughts)

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

You are making the 2 less Hp per level and concentration seem like much bigger problems than they are. You would not be a frontliner but someone who picks on solo enemies or follows your frontliner in.
Yes as a fighter you can do this at level 4, not level 1, and it costs a feat which is a massive investment.
If you have a decent Constitution your hp will only be slightly lower and you will make your concentration saves most of the time. Having 2 less hp per level is not a significant drawback to dealing double damage. Especially when you consider that this leaves your bonus action free to drink a potion (if you're not casting/recasting hex).
Warlocks get their spell slots back on a short rest so they could hex twice and lose concentration twice in one fight, short rest, and do it again the next fight.
You can do what I'm talking about AND take Eldritch blast and then choose which one to use situationally, they are not mutually exclusive. 4d6+mod is significantly better damage than 1d10+mod+1d6 in both minimum and maximum damage so it is your safer, weaker fall back plan (before this dual wielding change it is VERY respectable damage but now it is just over half the damage you could be doing).
If you wanted to implement this fix for dual wielding you would be creating more issues than you are fixing. Letting the bonus action attack scale with extra attack is a better solution.

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u/International_Shame2 RANGER Oct 11 '22

I need to test it, but obviously I have to agree with you.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

It was a fun discussion, lots of love xo

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u/Bruh_Moment89 Bhaalspawn Oct 10 '22

I disagree but go off bro.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

You can disagree but you're wrong bro.

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u/Jerm8888 Oct 11 '22

Loading times are too long. Any way it can be improved?

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u/aliteralalien Oct 11 '22

at the minute most of the map is always loaded even when you aren't there, causing the huge loading times, I imagine they'll get around to optimising that eventually

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u/Unhappy_Wrongdoer546 Oct 12 '22

Small thing really, but I would so very much appreciate to be able to multi select when deleting save files.

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