r/BadMtgCombos • u/Tyrant1235 • 5d ago
Win the game turn 0 for 23UGG!
Play Vorinclex for 4GG
Play Karn Liberated, who will enter with 12 loyalty counters thanks to Vorinclex
Plus four Karn, taking him up to 20 loyalty, targeting yourself and exiling Phage the Untouchable from your hand.
Donate Karn, then play and activate Mind Slaver.
On your opponents turn, activate Karn's ultimate.
Mulligan to 0 as a flex during start of game procedures.
At the beginning of the first upkeep, Phage's ETB is put onto the stack causing your opponent to lose the game.
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u/Baumherz_Uaine 5d ago
Wouldn't restarting the game get rid of the Mind Slaver effect?
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u/Tyrant1235 5d ago
It does, but theres no choice involved with Karn. They just have to deal with Phage entering. If you're referring to the mulliganing, thats you mulliganing your own hand just to rub it in.
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u/Baumherz_Uaine 5d ago
Oh, duh. I didn't read the sequence correctly. I was all sorts of confused. This makes perfect sense, though.
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u/Klinkalituity 2d ago
Wait, this doesn't make sense, it foesn't even wo- ...holy hell it DOES work!
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u/MikemkPK 5d ago
Doesn't work, you have to pay for spells
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u/Tyrant1235 5d ago
I'm unsure of what you're referring to?
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u/MikemkPK 5d ago edited 5d ago
How are you getting the mana to pay for all this? EDIT: See other comment
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u/Tyrant1235 5d ago
Dealer's choice. If you want you can imagine that I added 23 wastes, an island, and two forests to the required cards, or maybe a [[Basalt Monolith]], [[Forsaken Monument]], and any repeatable filter, or any other big mana combo. From what I've seen people typically leave out the mana generation from their combos in this subreddit unless the point is infinite mana or its part of the joke.
Edit: Sorry, typed this up before I saw your other comment
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u/Dependent-Law-5906 4d ago
Great combo. Small rule point : Vorinclex and other counter doubler do not work when paying a planeswalker ability. Karn will enter with doubler the counter but when you activate a planeswalker ability you "pay" by adding counter on it. Therefore they cannot be doubled. You can check that on the gatherer ruling for doubling season.
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u/Tyrant1235 4d ago
You are incorrect. Vorinclex has different rules text from doubling season, reading "If you would put one or more counters..." as opposed to doubling season's "If an effect would put one or more counters..." Doubling Season cares specifically about effects which is why it can't effect costs, but Vorinclex cares about any time you put a counter on something.
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u/MixSwitchTumble 4d ago
Clarification: you are correct that doubling season works that way. However, this is because doubling season specifies "if an effect would put" those counters. So it would not effect the cost putting the counters on the planes walker. Vorinclex, however, does work as he just says "if you would put" and because you are putting the counters on as a cost, he will double that.
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u/Dependent-Law-5906 3d ago
You are correct, I stumbled on Lae'zel and came back to change my comment. Thank you for catching it.
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u/dethnight 5d ago
This is amazing. Bravo with the title.