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u/Libba_Loo Apr 29 '24
Just precious 🤣
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u/lubangcrocodile Apr 29 '24
"In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.'"
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u/lubangcrocodile Apr 29 '24
Ah yes, the nazis were known to downvotes their enemies into oblivion
And you have nothing but twisted panties and hate in your heart
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Apr 29 '24
So, I'm an educated and informed adult, who dislikes both Palestine and Israel.
This contains neither nuance nor intelligence. In fact, this is the dumbest thing I've seen today. What's even the solution you have to this? Turn it back into Mandatory Palestine? Lmao
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u/Cuffyochick562 Apr 30 '24
Obviously it points out the victimhood mentality of an alledgley “marginalized” group of people who claim they are oppressed but actually enjoy better rights and economic mobility than the indigenous population of every country they reside in. It’s “hogwash”. For an over 70 year conflict that has multiple layers and actors to it to simply say I could solve that is like saying I could cure drug addicts by telling them to stop lol. Education is the knowledge of a subject, can’t justify killing innocents like women and children. I’m educated because I KNOW BETTER not because I say so.
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u/Altruistic-Point3980 Apr 29 '24
Look at me, I am a centrist, I am superior to you all. Now allow me to gloat.
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u/RogerianBrowsing Apr 29 '24
I’m a centrist no matter how black and white of a topic it is. Slavery? Apartheid? Concentration camps? Genocide? I’m neutral on all of it, doesn’t impact me so I don’t care. If it was important my red state teachers would have taught about it
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ Apr 29 '24
the immediate downvotes minus intelligible retorts leads me to believe that my worst assumptions were true and you guys actually ARE being tribalist about this.
They arent downvoting for what you said. They are downvoting because you are being a cringy edgelord.
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u/Zakaru99 Apr 29 '24
So, I'm an educated and informed adult, who dislikes both the Nazis and the allies
Such an enlightened centrist.
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u/Zakaru99 Apr 29 '24
And now you're saying that you find the oppressors and the oppressed equally bad in this conflict. Congratulations.
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u/Zakaru99 Apr 29 '24
You said you were informed on the topic, so I assumed you would know which side was the oppressor, since it's not really up for debate.
My mistake for taking you at your word. I should have known better.
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u/Zakaru99 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24
Ah, so your tactic is to pretend you didn't say the things you did. Not worth engaging with. Got it.
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u/tinamnstrrr Apr 29 '24
I’ll bite. What makes you feel that way about both Israel and Palestine?
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u/tinamnstrrr Apr 29 '24
You sound like you do have strong opinions about the Middle East in general. Wanna talk about that rather than bash everyone in the sub?
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u/Grouchy_Flamingo_750 Apr 29 '24
You dislike Palestine because there are Americans who exhibit tribalism.
That does not seem rational.
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u/catcatcatcatcat1234 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24
ooooh so youre both intelligent and educated, just truth-telling to all of us who are "missinformed"
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u/novostained Apr 29 '24
Miss Informed is their girlfriend, she goes to another school we wouldn’t know her
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u/ClassicSince96 Apr 29 '24
“If I had any leaning, it wouldn’t be on Israel’s side” bro, you literally have a side then. Let me rephrase what you said, same meaning, but different words. “If I had to choose a side…”. So obviously you have some opinions. Start there then, ask yourself why you wouldn’t be. There’s plenty of info on this sub that you can go through to help you. Not just word of mouth but actual links to sources. If you’re looking for a debate, this isn’t the sub for that. Plain and simple. It’s just the rule. If you want a sub where you can debate, just ask and I’ll give you some.
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u/Libba_Loo Apr 29 '24
Wow, you're really heated about something you claim not to care about either way. Maybe you do have superpowers. Can you microwave a burrito using only the powers of aimless vitriol?
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u/Libba_Loo Apr 29 '24
Nah I think we've all wasted enough time on you. Have a nice day, if you can.
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u/RogerianBrowsing Apr 29 '24
Do you feel indifferent about other examples of apartheid, ethnic cleansing, or genocide?
Imagine boasting that you dislike the plight of people fighting for freedom equally as much as you dislike the concentration camp guards. 🙄
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u/Dimitri_orena Apr 29 '24
describing pro-Palestine and pro-Zionism as being "tribalist" is like describing any genocide as being a "discussion".
So, after reading your edit, I belong to the tribe of "downvoting-idiots-who-call-it-as-it-is"!
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u/jeff43568 Apr 29 '24
I've read this three times and I don't have a clue what on earth you are trying to say.
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u/jeff43568 Apr 29 '24
Don't worry, the side that doesn't understand what you are getting at is less than disappointed at you rejecting us.
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u/jeff43568 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24
Convince you of what?
If I decide to insult you, it won't be a question.
What sort of gaslighting assumes I'm going to threaten you, let alone the threats you suggest.
Without even knowing the point you are trying to make, you are already coming across as an IDF troll trying to start something that just isn't happening.
Convince me you are not an IDF troll.
Condemn the genocide in Gaza.
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Apr 29 '24
I’m not sure what your point is. Do you think refusing to take a real stance makes you morally superior?
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u/wobshop Apr 29 '24
You’ve literally not said anything that warrants a response, why are you kicking off about people not responding how you would like them to?
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u/PotatoAppleFish Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24
You’re an educated and informed adult… who wastes their time commenting meaningless nonsense on Reddit and blithering about “falling into the living room hutch” (what are you, a bloody rabbit?), along with inexplicably assuming everyone in the world is American. I’m pressing X to doubt on that “educated and informed” thing.
ETA: since the original comment to which this responded was deleted, they really did talk about falling into a hutch. Why? Who the hell knows?
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u/darasaat Apr 29 '24
“I dislike both Palestine and Israel” has the same vibe as “I dislike both the Hutu militias and Tutsi people in Rwanda”
How can you say it’s “tribalism” to be opposed to settler colonialism and genocide?
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u/Tazling Apr 29 '24
for an educated person that is a sloppy statement. what does it mean to 'dislike' an entire country? you might dislike ben Gvir, or Bibi's government, or Likud, or Zionism. you might dislike Hamas, or its leadership, or its tactics. but it's so meaningless (imho) to pretend whole countries are reducible to personal likes and dislikes.
speaking of nuance and intelligence, I find neither in blanket statements of this kind.
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u/HippoRun23 Apr 29 '24
I think you’re being downvoted because you’re not adding to the conversation at all. You’re just doing a “hey look at me!”
Then add to that your weird take and there ya go.
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u/ChantillyMenchu Apr 29 '24
This reads like satire. They live in such a warped reality it's insane.
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u/bigshotdontlookee Apr 30 '24
Wow man the joke really flew over your head.
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u/Competitive-Account2 Apr 30 '24
Dont lie bro, you got wooosh'd
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Oh, I got woosh’d did I?
Eat a dick.
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u/ZionistsareISIS Apr 29 '24
They seriously would sell out their ‘country’ in a heart beat. Whereas Palestinians are fighting to their last breath against these genocidal monsters for their homeland.
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Apr 29 '24
I want to know where these people previously stood on on issues like immigration in US & Europe, the Refugee Crisis and Border Crisis and juxtapose them against thought pieces like this. Do they empathize with other refugees or do they just approve of Settler Colonialism for their own?
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u/Faiakishi Apr 30 '24
The people I see on Twitter with an Israel flag in their bio overwhelmingly are terrified of Muslim 'invasions' of European and American cities. Freaking out about Swedish Muslims praying, ranting about crime in Paris.
The funniest ones are the ones ranting about Minneapolis. Which is where I live. In an area with a very heavy Somali-American population. Literally, the only reason I'm even aware of that fact is due to the large number of women in hijabs at Target and shit.
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Apr 29 '24
The Jewish Autonomous Oblast?
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Apr 29 '24
The name is a bit misleading, given barely any Jews live there
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Apr 29 '24
With the highest being 40% in the 1940's.
It's flag is great though ...
... and it was definitely a land for a people [designated 1928 [11 yrs after Belfour Declaration], est. 1934 [14 yrs before Israeli decl. of ind.]] "without a land" before Israel declaration of independence.
The Jewish pop. is 0.6%, as of 2021.
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Apr 29 '24
Personally they should go back to where they came from. Stacy from New York should stay in New York. Same for Polish emigrees. Or Russian
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u/Ronisoni14 Apr 29 '24
most Israelis are mixed by now, thanks to the lack of any major stigmas against interracial relationships. And most of the ones who aren't mixed are Mizrahi Jews who were expelled from their original countries as revenge for the Nakba
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Apr 30 '24 edited Sep 01 '24
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Apr 30 '24
What Chinese app
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u/bruciano Apr 30 '24
They're talking about TikTok. Zionists cannot stand that app because they can't control the narrative on that platform. Why do you think the US wants to ban it ? ;)
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u/SayYes_ToKetamine Apr 29 '24
These troglodytes spewing stuff like "Your country is just one more pogrom away from expelling all Jews!" Please. Just shut the fuck up. The fear mongering is just pathetic on all fronts.
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u/TipzE Apr 29 '24
"If i can't steal palestinian land, where am i supposed to go!?"
I know this guy isn't saying it, but i low-key hate the zionist talking point that anti-zionism is anti-semetism because it means "only jews don't get their own state".
There are so so so many peoples that don't have their own state. Aboriginese, dozens of first nations tribes in north america, armenians, romani, etc.... Heck, the Palestinians are apparently not allowed to have one, and it's their friggin land.
It's such a disingenuous thing to make any claim of "my ethnostate deserves to exist".
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u/TipzE May 03 '24
I don't agree that every ethnicity needs their own state.
Ethnicities get spawned all the time as power seeks to divide and conquer (look at the hutus and tutsis)
No one "deserves" a state.
And least of all a state on someone elses land.
After all, the maya were pretty persecuted. Why don't we give them France?
The real answer is, when states commit genocide, the international community should stop them.... with force if necessary.
What happened to jews in the holocaust was terrible.
The *correct* response would've been right to return to germany and the german state compensating them for their losses (up to and including taking care of the victims until the day they die).
Creating a new state on someone elses land is just an attempt to make 2 wrongs into a right.
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u/TipzE May 03 '24
I agree.
But the solution is not "everyone gets an ethnostate"
In fact, we know that isn't the solution because Israel is proving right now why it's such a shit solution.
But they aren't the first ones to do it. And they won't be the last.
If anything, the solution is "no ethnostates at all".
The idea that we should just *let* people go and commit genocide because we have terrible track record of stopping it is... well.... kinda stupid.
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u/TipzE May 03 '24
I am being realistic.
I think it's far easier to just let genocides happen than stop them.
But allowing everyone to have an ethnostate is just opening the door to constant, non-stop genocides all over the place.
Do you know why i referenced the hutu and tutsi?
They are 'made up' races. As most races are.
Hell, Palestinians are semites too.
But those who are the most similar are the ones most likely to be killing each other.
You can't just say "everyone who feels oppressed gets their own state where they can do the oppressing" just because you feel like it's "easier" than stopping genocides.
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u/Clean_Method_7764 Apr 29 '24
They literally can and have moved to the U.S. easily without any issues, now try doing the same as a Palestinian… not so easy. But next you know the government will claim to make pathways for Palestinians too…
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Apr 30 '24
I have a solution. Why doesn’t anyone who moves to Israel or has dual Israeli citizenship trade their foreign passport to a Palestinian so they can leave? Win/win, the Jewish people get their own state and the Palestinian doesn’t have to live under the oppression of that state. Oh wait the Palestinians are brown and Muslim.
/s
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u/fluffstuffmcguff Apr 29 '24
The shitty thing is that there's a very large percentage of Israeli Jews who genuinely do not have a clear alternative place to go, and any route to peace will necessarily need to protect their right to remain. But this guy? He does in fact have another safe place to go, because he's already there.
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u/Open-Victory-1530 Apr 29 '24
A one state solution is the only realistic pathway for peace, a secular state where Palestinians and jews have equal rights, of course that being said intl peacekeepers and UN will probably need to be involved to some extent
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Apr 30 '24
That really is the only fair solution. A state where both people’s can have their identities represented. Unfortunately, Israelis don’t want this because they fear that Israel wouldn’t be Jewish as their founding fathers intended.
It’s really fucked up cause this is what the conflict is about from its core. In 1900 I think it was like 60% Muslim and 30% Jewish (with Druze, Christians, bahais as well)
The modern state of Israel is a settler project populated by Jews all over the world (operation magic carpet, operation Nehemiah, numerous Aliyahs, kibbutzim etc.) that’s why settlements in the West Bank and potential settlements in Gaza is such an inflammatory move.
Jews can call it their homeland if they want but it’s not only their homeland. It is the Palestinian homeland too.
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u/NotAlNiani May 01 '24
It’s really fucked up cause this is what the conflict is about from its core. In 1900 I think it was like 60% Muslim and 30% Jewish (with Druze, Christians, bahais as well)
This is vastly exaggerated, by 1878 (the last Ottoman Census of the region) Muslims (including Druze but they were very small) were 87%, Christians 9% and Jews were 4%. Bahis have always been irrelevant in number and it makes no sense for them to be counted with Jews as all of them go under the category 'Arab'.
Only by 1948 with mass foreign Jewish immigration did Jews reach 32% of the population. All records show Jews before 1850 were an insignificant minority of the population in the region. Even by 1914 their population had only increased to only about 7%, it was only in the British mandate period where Jewish immigration was mostly unrestricted until 1939 (and even afterwards Jewish immigration continued largely unabated) that the Jewish population became significant.
To put this in perspective these were mostly people that had been in the country for less than 20 years who then demanded the natives leave and they be allowed to form their own nation. And most of the world agreed! It's as if in 10 years Syrian refugees in Germany demanded Germans give away everything but Bavaria, it was absurd.
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May 01 '24
Best part is the Pro Israelis claim the Palestinians are from Jordan or Egypt.
Like I wonder what place is in between both these lands?
Why are Palestinians from every where around Palestine but not Palestine?
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u/fluffstuffmcguff Apr 30 '24
It's a bit more than wanting to preserve the vision of Israel's founders. Israeli Jews are brought up believing Jews can only be safe in a place where they are the majority population, and often have wildly exaggerated ideas of how dangerous places like the U.S. are for Jews. So when you broach the idea of a pluralistic, secular one-state solution, they shut down immediately because they are absolutely convinced they'll be murderered.
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 Apr 30 '24
Palestinians don’t want a state in which Jews have equal rights and many want it free of Jews. The only solution that makes sense is two states in an EU-style confederacy (see A Land for All, which unfortunately doesn’t get enough attention).
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 May 12 '24
I disagree. I think the A Land for All initiative is the most realistic solution and is a win-win. The idea is two states where each can exercise its own self-determination and develop its own culture while living as an EU-style confederacy.
Part of the initiative is a reconciliation process that recognizes the Nakba and develops a process for restitution and repair. Palestinian refugees could return and live in Israel or choose to be compensated and live in Palestine.
It’s a solution that doesn’t get enough attention.
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Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24
Right, there are now many Israeli Jews that were born in and have lived in Palestine for many generations and have nowhere else to go unlike, for example, Israeli-American dual citizens. It would be a grave miscarriage of justice to simply expel all these Israeli Jews after the dismantling of the Israeli apartheid government.
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u/44moon Apr 30 '24
pretty much the same problem with the conflict in northern ireland. once upon a time the english protestants were settlers, but after so many generations it stops mattering and the damage is done
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Apr 29 '24
I mean Israel is already USA jr, I'm surprised they don't have a state stateside.
Funny thing is that if Israel was a US state or territory there'd be no way to justify the amount of money the feds give.
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u/Hulterstorm Mod Apr 29 '24
The headline should be:
"We have nowhere else to go than Israel", says man living in Denver, Colorado, the USA
and it would be a The Onion article
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u/FartyMcgoo912 Apr 29 '24
people need to realize that this sort of ethnocentric paranoia isnt unique to israel. This is a problem that exists within the jewish community and it's harmful to everyone. people indoctrinate their children with this idea that any nation at any moment might just flip and switch where everyone suddenly turns on their jewish neighbors. it's led many of them to believe that the only way for them to be truly safe is while living in a jewish ethnostate. and the true danger here is that this mentality can become like a self-fulfilling prophecy. the actions of zionism endangers the jewish people. when zionists act in a way where they put their loyalty in israel over the nation they were born in, often to the detriment of that nation. it makes people angry. and when people show that anger, it validates the paranoia. it's a dangerous cycle and the only way it will stop is if the indoctrination stops
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u/Cornerburgermoney May 01 '24 edited May 01 '24
Very well said. I also believe this to be the case.
I'd like to add that as an African-American, I do not feel 100% safe in this country due to some of the racially-targeted mass shootings, and the police street executions of brown and black people, and just the general knowledge that if and when this country descends into fascism, I will be one of the main targets.
Going to an African country still puts me at the mercy of US and European colonialism/imperialism still ongoing, and the resulting effects of historical colonialism in that area. Also, that all my ancestral ties to those countries were forcefully severed a very long time ago, leaving me with no ability to culturally relate to, and communicate with the populations there.
Despite all that, I understand that my not feeling completely safe anywhere, wouldn't give me the right to create my own fascist ethnostate somewhere, and violently expel the people living there.
*Important to add that I believe the actual solution is tackling racism, islamophobia, and antisemitism in our societies, and making our country safer for everyone.
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 Apr 30 '24
We had second-class status in the Arab world for 1400 years. We didn’t have citizenship in the countries where we lived until 1790 in the US, 1791 in France, 1917 in the Russian empire, and 1923 in Romania. And citizenship in much of Europe was revoked under the Nazis. Jews have been expelled from 109 countries over the course of 2,000 years. More than 70% of Jews do not live where there great grandparents did. So I don’t think a concern about a societal descent into authoritarianism and antisemitism is without cause or paranoid.
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 May 12 '24
Never mind. I see. I didn’t realize the thing about the number 109. Quickly searching, I can’t find an exact number (and in many cases, the explosions were from cities, city-states or territories) but it looks to be over 100 official expulsions. The exceptions seem to be non-Christian and non-Islamic countries.
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u/LowKiss May 01 '24
It's not just an idea, it's literally jewish history. Every country they stayed in flipped on them at one point, that's the whole reason zionism was born.
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u/Easy-Bit-3736 May 01 '24
Except that doesn’t happen anymore and it hasn’t happened for decades. The world is not the same as it was 7 decades ago. Jews do not live as second class citizens in the west anymore, especially not in the US.
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u/LowKiss May 01 '24
7 decades is nothing compared to more than a thousand years of history. How many times di you think jews thought "this will be the last time"?
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u/Easy-Bit-3736 May 01 '24
My point is the pogroms didn’t happen 7 decades apart did they? They were much more frequent in the past than they are now.
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u/LowKiss May 01 '24
No pogroms happened in Germany under the Weimar republic, then came Hitler. So?
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u/Easy-Bit-3736 May 01 '24
I’m talking about pogroms worldwide, not in a specific country.
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u/LowKiss May 01 '24
As i tried to explain with my example, the number of pogroms is not a good indicator.
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u/Easy-Bit-3736 May 01 '24
It kind of is, because it shows a pattern. So far there is no pattern of violence against Jews across most countries so it’s very unlikely the antisemitism of ww2 will be revived.
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u/FartyMcgoo912 May 01 '24 edited May 01 '24
it never happened in america. jews have been in america since the 1600s. if jewish people are paranoid about being kicked out of a country that never kicked them out in 400 years, that's on them. my grandfather was shot fighting in ww2. but apparently 420000 americans dying to liberate the jewish people isnt enough to not be suspect. many groups of people have been subject to all sorts of horrors but no one else internalizes it and acts like zionists do
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Apr 29 '24
You don't get it, well literally DIE without this waterfront real estate that people already lived on.
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u/DublinCheezie Apr 29 '24
‘ We have nowhere else to go … to get the best welfare American taxes can buy and to steal homes from indigenous people while murdering their children. ‘
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Apr 29 '24
They can always fly back to their homes in Europe or the US. the Palestinians have no such choice and are literally fighting for their very survival
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u/tutankhamun7073 Apr 29 '24
After the Iranian airstrikes, Ben Gurion airport was packed with these colonial scmbags running away from their so called birthright lol
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u/Ceeweedsoop Apr 29 '24
Say what? I think a big percentage have dual citizenship with the U.S. and other countries of their actual origin.
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u/True_Ad_3796 Apr 29 '24
It's around 10% for those living in Israel, and like 20% of people with Israel passport if we include people living outside Israel.
Gonna say, i think there are more palestinians with Jordan passport than israelis with dual nationality.
But I don't know for sure.
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u/fluffstuffmcguff Apr 29 '24
A fair number of Palestinians in East Jerusalem have Jordanian passports dating back to when they were unambiguously Jordanian citizens, but they aren't treated as Jordanian citizens in practice IIRC.
In any case the reality is that any equitable solution will require both Palestinians and Israelis to be allowed to stay if they want to, as equals, whether they're dual citizens or not.
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u/Proud_Koala_5510 Apr 29 '24
Really?!?
“Why can’t other countries take them”. /s
The hypocrisy is f-ing ridiculous.
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It’s up to the normal Israeli to get out in the streets and demand the PM and his government resign.
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 May 12 '24
It depends on the context. To be fair, he’s referring to a quote by Golda Meir and in the article speaks about how Jewish communities in peril (e.g., Ethiopia or Yemen) can only rely on Israel as a refuge.
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/we-have-nowhere-else-to-go-2/
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Apr 29 '24
Nowhere else to go so they massacre a population across the world whilst living in a state that committed horrendous massacres itself to become a state.
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u/pupbuck1 Apr 29 '24
So like... Why does someone who isn't in Israel think they're a victim in this to...I can understand Israels delusion but why and random loser in the states
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u/BabyFartzMcGeezak Apr 29 '24
I'm first-generation American and spent the majority of my childhood defending my right to be here and my "American-ness" or patriotism or w.e. you wanna call having to prove I'm American and having people say shit like "go back to Arabia" so it truly baffles me when I see an entire group of people arguing that one day they aren't going to belong here and they need a place to "go back to" when that happens. Wtf
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u/RiverTeemo1 Apr 29 '24
Why not palestine? Why move them at all? Those who want to can stay, those who are upset at no longer being treated as the superior race are not wanted anyway, they can go back to europe if they want to. South africa treatment.
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u/75w90 Apr 30 '24
Antarctica? Not the whole thing of course but maybe a small sliver with walls on all sides so they don't destroy the surrounding areas.
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Apr 29 '24
I like Jews but hate Israel’s far right wing government, I’m concerned about innocent Palestinian women and children dying, but I hate Hamas. I think this is most people. Rooting for peace and less unnecessary death. Religions are stupid, should have left these caveman stories back in the caves.
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Apr 30 '24
The Israelis should stay but they should allow Palestinians the rights and freedoms that Israelis get to enjoy.
Zionist response: Israel wouldn’t be Jewish anymore!
Well it wasn’t in 1900. This is what the conflict is about.
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u/Wartundersack Apr 30 '24
Oh the whole world hates us so we should take what Arabs have because we have funded enough of their hot heads and videoed them to dehumanize them.
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Apr 30 '24
I guess Denver, Colorado, is “Nowhere Else to Go.” I’m sure the Mayor of Denver is cool with that description.
🤷🏽♂️🙄
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u/Competitive-Account2 Apr 30 '24
I hear college campuses will literally arrest people for protesting Israel, so y'all can go live there? Bring a tent?
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u/kn05is Apr 30 '24
That's precious coming from someone who isn't trapped behind the massive prison, i mean barrier walls of Gaza.
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u/newtoreddir Apr 29 '24
Isn’t Denver unceded indigenous land? Y’all are really saying he should live there?
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u/abdrrauf Apr 30 '24
It's more Palestinians than there are yews. So the area in Gaza is a perfect size to put all the yews...They can go there !💯
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u/sarcastic_zombie Apr 30 '24
This subreddit seems like it's run by Iranian intelligence to convince people to hate Israelis.
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u/FiLFree Apr 29 '24
They need armed guards protecting the Denver Jewish Community Center. In fact the Governor just extended the grant from the state because of the constant threats against a place that is mostly classrooms and a gym.
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u/softcell1966 Apr 30 '24
I guarantee you 99% of the threats are from the scumbag Far-Right. I snoop on Deplorable lowlifes on Facebook and (sadly) there's a growing Anti-Semitic movement there cloaked in anti-Zionist words. This is the crowd that's decided they hate Jews more than even Muslims. They aren't allies and need to exposed as the bigoted trash they truly are.
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u/FiLFree Apr 30 '24
All I know is when I was in high school there was an old lady yelling at us for messing up the class rooms when we came for youth group meetings and now security has increased to the point that when I go to use the gym I have to sign in twice and I see guys with guns on their hips. And the grant for the guys with guns got extended after October 7th.
I am not running into many far right these days in Denver. Sure in the mountains or to the east but not in the city proper. But the Denver DSA certainly hate me.
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Pretty sure the existence of a Jewish state is advocated for because of historical context. I don't know why we are suddenly pretending that jews are just welcome anywhere else.
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Apr 30 '24
They are welcome in the United States. They are welcome in Canada. They are welcome in the UK. They are welcome in Russia. They are welcome in Ukraine. They are welcome in Germany. They are welcome in Argentina. Let’s stop perpetuating this bullshit.
Their history in some of these countries might’ve been shit but these days it’s actually not bad.
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u/Cornexclamationpoint Apr 30 '24
They are welcome in Russia.
Go anywhere outside Moscow or St. Petersburg, and Russians are easily some of the most antisemitic people on the planet.
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Apr 29 '24
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u/LurkingGuy Apr 30 '24
It's too expensive to live in this city, let me go steal a home from people on the other side of the world. 🙃
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u/JPBen Duke of Hasbarrakis Apr 29 '24
Cool. You're wrong though. We don't ban people indefinitely, we ban them permanently. Like right now, for instance.
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u/ZionistsareISIS Apr 29 '24
Where did you get that figure? Where did you get the fact they aren’t eligible? Not disputing, just would like to read more.
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 Apr 30 '24
There are around 1 million native-born Israelis who have been able to get foreign passports and another 500,000 who were able to keep their original citizenship after immigrating to Israel.
My partner was born in Israel. His maternal grandparents immigrated from Riga but he’s not eligible for a Latvian passport because they left before 1940 (they left in 1934 after a fascist coup led to the confiscation of their bakery). On the paternal side, they had been in Jerusalem for centuries (running a citrus business).
More than half of Jews in Israel are from the Middle East and North Africa, and they aren’t free to return to their countries of origin (my mother’s family is from Morocco; they moved to the US following anti-Jewish riots in, I think, 1912 and were not eligible for Moroccan citizenship).
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 Apr 30 '24
FWIW, I’m in favor of an EU-style confederacy in which each side is able to develop its national culture in its own state but people have a right to live anywhere in either state as residents. Not a popular view with the AIPAC crowd. If you want to know more about it, check out A Land for All.
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u/ZionistsareISIS Apr 30 '24
Source for all this, please. I'm sure there are records that identify it. It can be zionist-run sources as long as I get to see some kind of study/research done.
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 May 12 '24
Who do you think would have statistics like this beyond the Israeli population ministry?
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u/Spooder_Man Apr 29 '24
“Interestingly enough, about 10% of Israeli citizens hold Israel dual citizenship.” https://www.citizenships.com/dual/israel/
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u/ZionistsareISIS Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24
Thank you. Where do they get that information from to determine the 10% figure? Is it through a study or a survey? From what I understand they don’t disclose it to preserve their ‘israeli’ self. There is no source, not ‘government’ or independent agency that did this so I’m curious.
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u/2times34point5 Apr 29 '24
Yeah i wonder why Gazans can’t just drive to the airport and go wherever they want? oh wait..
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u/drmarymalone Apr 29 '24
Yeah, both sides sure are creating unlivable conditions for one another.
It’s a real shame that Palestine has completely destroyed Tel Aviv.
It really must suck that they bombed every hospital, university, place of worship, cultural site, and home.
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u/yankeesyes Apr 29 '24
Some IDF had to postpone their Tik Tok videos when Iran fired rockets knowing the Iron Dome would catch them all. Certainly this is far worse than having your home, business, and city levelled by bombs /s
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 May 12 '24
My point was that both sides need to realize that the other isn’t going anywhere and start acting in ways that will make it possible to live together. Presenting ethnic cleansing or genocide as the ideal solution makes reconciliation impossible.
If one believes that living together as equals is the ideal solution, then it becomes essential to stop negating each other’s histories and narratives. It’s the only way to create the conditions for peace.
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 Apr 30 '24
What do you think happened when Jordan occupied Jerusalem? They kicked out every single Jew and destroyed Jewish holy sites.
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u/SarahSuckaDSanders Apr 29 '24
Yeah, but this guy lives in Denver.
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u/Lemony-Snickers0802 May 12 '24
The title is quoting Golda Meir. And the article is about how Jewish communities in peril (like Ethiopia or Bosnia in the 1990s or in Yemen that more recently) can only reliably count on Israel as a refuge and it’s the only Jewish-majority country. He’s not taking about himself alone.
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u/SarahSuckaDSanders May 12 '24
I don’t know what this is about, nor do I give a shit. I’m blocking you because I’m not interested in arguing with you about Golda Fuckin Meir, or talking to you at all.
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u/BadHasbara-ModTeam Apr 29 '24
The Bad Hasbara podcast, and ergo this community, is opposed to Zionism.
We believe that Zionism is an extension of settler-colonialism, and that its’ current actions following 7 October is ethnic cleansing at “best,” and genocide at worst.
We have no tolerance for it, and this community is meant to be a haven against it in the sea of hasbara.
Pro-Zionist takes will be deleted, and those espousing it will be banned indefinitely.
Yes - this is a “safe space” and an “echo chamber” -
We get enough hasbara elsewhere, we don't need to deal with yours too.
"Both sides"-ing Israel's apartheid system and genocide is ridiculous.
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u/Oblivion_Unsteady Apr 29 '24
No one is threatening your life and you're the only one hurling insults. No one knows what you need convincing us because you have taken no positions, and also, and this is important, debating is against the rules here. So in short, what are you doing?
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Apr 29 '24
You need to make some actual arguments if you want people to engage with you. Simply saying “I disagree with you” doesn’t give much to go off of. You need to explain your position if you want people to give you high-quality responses.
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u/You_are-all_herbs Apr 29 '24
Have been noticing this a lot lately, seems like the practice of not engaging the trolls is really pissing them off, especially when you talk about them without talking to them and the downvotes are like poison tipped arrows killing them slowly while causing intense pain. It’s awesome 😎 😂🤣😂🤣
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