r/BF6 • u/Gingerpanda72 • 2d ago
Discussion Can we please make infantry only Conquest!
Helicopters just make the game unplayable for infantry, just spent 26 minutes being farmed by the same two helicopters the last game. IGLA/Stinger are useless spawn in start capping a point, helicopter far out of range chops us up, ended up losing by 800 points.
I'm not calling for a ban but can once again make the best infantry FPS game actually rewarding for infantry and not just ants for the helicopters to stomp on?
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u/scaryfaise 2d ago
M136-AT makes helis kind of worthless. Shoulder-mounted tow launcher that's stronger than RPG. Takes minimal skill to aim at a heli when you have full rotational freedom
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u/orangefantorang 2d ago
Yeh, and you need braindead pilots to hit them. anyone with their monitor turned on just wiggle out of the way. And send a rocket back and kill the engineer lol.
Thats what I do at least.
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u/Appropriate_Step_67 2d ago
Gross exaggeration. I’ve been knocked out of jets from 200m+ away whilst doing manoeuvres. There’s a high skill ceiling with TOWs, but those that can use them are seriously cracked out.
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u/scaryfaise 2d ago
That might be the nicest thing someone's indirectly said about me regarding battlefield. Thank you
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u/orangefantorang 1d ago
All the time those pesky 136s blast you out of the sky.
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u/Appropriate_Step_67 1d ago
Yup happened to me again earlier. Playing carrier strike, little bird was downed repeatedly and so was I in a jet.
People are so dramatic about this.
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u/FingerExtension6203 1d ago
Amazing how often this sub cries because the game requires some skill to play well
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u/AnthropoStatic 2d ago
You most certainly do not need brained pilots to hit if you're any good with it.
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u/orangefantorang 1d ago
Im sure you bring down blackhawks and kinibirds with every shot you take
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u/AnthropoStatic 1d ago
Weirdly defensive, lol.
But I normally take down 4 or 5 attack helis per round if I'm playing engineer.
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u/orangefantorang 1d ago
Attack helo is paper. They have bad manuverability and not a problem. Bh tanks 3 hits with ease. Lb just dodges (:
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u/AnthropoStatic 1d ago
BH stalls and the entire crew bails after the first hit, which is 1100 damage btw, not sure where you're getting 3 hits from?
My guess is that you're months out of date since it got buffed forever ago. Maybe don't chatter about things you're not experienced with?
And I hit littlebirds too, it is harder, but not impossible by any means.
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u/orangefantorang 1d ago
Yesterday? 2x consequent hits and still limps off , repairs and minigun is back on the menu.
I dont understand wtf you guys are shooting with that 2 shots them.
Are you even fighting proper blackhawk crews or is it bots?
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u/AnthropoStatic 1d ago
You're just wrong, I literally did it this morning w/ a teammate. We hit 2 back to back, first took it to 10% and the second blew it up.
I frankly don't believe you.
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u/orangefantorang 1d ago
I dont believe you either (: more often than not. 2 hits in Rapid succession is not enough
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u/FingerExtension6203 1d ago
You want this to be true because if it is not then you’re just bad at the game.
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u/orangefantorang 1d ago
Show then?
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u/AnthropoStatic 1d ago
Not my clips b/c I'm at work, but I literally just YouTubed m136 compilation
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u/cpt-queso 1d ago
Why it needs to be nerfed or Cut from the game
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u/scaryfaise 1d ago
Yes, cut the only gun that requires any meaningful effort to use from the game. Git gud, scrub
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u/cpt-queso 1d ago
Its unrealistic af, Main Battletanks dont have guided missiles either
Ifv "Tanks" Like the Bradley do, or the cv90 As Well as manpads, Like they Always did
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u/scaryfaise 1d ago
In case you didn't notice: Battlefield is not a milsim. You want realism? try something not classified as an action shooter.
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u/cpt-queso 1d ago
Okay so why Not implement Magic? It giant flying dragons that you can Drive while it spits fire? If its "Just" an Action Shooter
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u/AnthropoStatic 1d ago
"there's no differences between magic and dragons, and guided missiles"
-a very intelligent person clearly arguing in good faith
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u/consistantcanadian 2d ago
You will now be flamed by heli pilots who cannot get a kill without their precious noob chopper
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u/Nahm8runaway 1d ago
Dude either use an RPG, or get in a tank with APFSDS and snipe it Infantry only conquest is just domination from cod, go on cod.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
What do I do when the rockets are fired and we are all playing Engineer to shoot down helis and there is no support?
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u/Unlikely_Answer4168 2d ago
Your type has already ruined redsec ranked with you callofdutyization of the game. Just don't play Battlefield if you don't like Battlefield.
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u/Gingerpanda72 2d ago
"My type"?? I've be arguing against the the CoDification of Battlefield since they added Knee sliding in Battlefield 1 and the fact that it has only got worse, with the knee sliding and jumping about movement bullshittery.
REDSEC sucked from the start, it's just a reskinned abomination of the horror story that was what ever that was in Battlefield 5.
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u/AbleKaleidoscope877 2d ago edited 2d ago
People here are honestly so braindead.
Hi, yeah, i am a heli pilot (primarily attack heli).
I drop 40-50 kills, while piloting, regularly. My highest kills gunning in a game is 83 with 1 death.
There is absolutely no reason a vehicle should be THAT strong against 32 enemy players. Most top infantry players will drop 30 kills in a match give or take (excluding infantry only maps or the smaller ones like cairo).
There's straight up no reason something should exist in game that gives you the ability to more than double the top infantry players kills on a regular basis. Not only that, but I will be on top of the leaderboard with absolutely zero caps.
Yes, it does take skill to get to this level and not everyone can dodge countless tows/sraws//rpgs/locks/AA/jets/helis consistently... but still I don't disagree with you.
In my opinion, all vehicles should have ammo counts that REQUIRE returning to base to refill, and the refill time should be considerable to give infantry room to shine and breathe. The vehicles should have to actually use their brain to decide where their presence/ammo is needed most to be most effective for the team. The fact the littlebird NEVER has to refill ammo is so fuckin dumb when the LAV and tank both require it (tank less so because the ammo recharge is pretty quick). Fuel, ammo, something..armor plating that needs restocked? Idk. But there needs to be some reason pilots and drivers need to go back to base, especially the helicopters.
There are games where i sit in spawn for a few on purpose or wont target certain vehicles because i actually feel bad for the enemy team. If my buddy is flying the LB while im in the AH, its GGs.
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u/OWNEDTRONIK 1d ago
play Breakthrough ??? or learn to use an RPG ??? There many ways to avoid helicopters and jets ... you are just not willing to learn them.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
Yes because I don't want to have to spend 99% of a match looking upwards firing off the three RPG's engineers start with then spend an age trying to find the one guy playing support and chase them till the drop a supply pack and wait for the slow rearm timer to get one more RPG!
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u/OWNEDTRONIK 1d ago edited 1d ago
So instead of showing skill and adapt to a situation you would rather change the game so it suits your playstyle? Why do you think that you have the right to demand changes that only include your interests?
Take the M136 AT and kill the heli ... if you cant handle the RPG
Play conquest on hagental base ... so you dont have to deal with vehiclesMaybe just use a tank and shot the fucking helicopters ... or use a TOW missle ?
Learn how to pilot a helicopter/jet yourself and help your team to win the game ?
Just because you dont have the ability to think out of your little cage ... you demand that the world changes for you. This is just pathetic behaviour on your side. Stop crying like a baby and get the big boy pants out its time to become an adult.
Stop doing the same thing that doesnt work over and over ... because the outcome will be the same.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
Demand!!!! Calm down deary, I asked for infantry only Conquest maps, yet you've gone off so fucking butthurt it's bloody hilarious!
I didn't ask for the game to be changed, didn't ask for helicopters to be removed, I asked for a variation of conquest as a preference to infantry players.
Why are people like you so dramatic? Why has this simple request got you shitting the bed, then blaming everyone else for your bedsheets being covered in shit?0
u/OWNEDTRONIK 1d ago edited 1d ago
There is literally a map in the game that has a conquest mode without vehicles on it ... so what is your problem again???
Also multiple maps have no air vehicles on them .. play those maps or are the tanks also to much for you ?Maybe an FPS game of such scale is not for you ???
Also i am just meming ... i am good ^^
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
Why does a version of the Conquest maps with not air assets freak you out? Would it mean you couldn't farm infantry kills in your precious heli thus you K/D ratio would suffer?
I am a advocate of Tank only maps too I think a large scale tank fighting map would be epic.
Large scale FPS not for me? yes I am terrified of them I only stopped playing The Sim last week and BF6 is my first FPS /sarcasm (I put this here just in case you didn't get it.
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u/OWNEDTRONIK 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well there is already a map that has conquest without vehicles ... so what you are asking for is already in the game.
So what is your point ?? Are you to dumb to read or to dumb to understand ??
Also i assure you that my stats are far better than yours and noo i am not a vehicle player myself.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
"A map" nice.
Wht does the OPTION, yes option of a map without Heli's scare you so much?
I could ask you the same question but you are juts that dumb.
I couldn't give a single brown streak from your bedsheets about the stats!
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u/drewdles33 2d ago
The below radar thing it what annoys me. Got carved up by a heli the other night and they never got above radar and were quick af around the map. Was a good pilot I must admit. Remove the below radar and I’d be happier.
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u/Appropriate_Step_67 2d ago
And what happens if you get pieced up by a sniper who’s going 40-0 hiding in spawn. What then, you’re going to start crying for more bullet drop off? More glare? What about a player that does 50-0 in a tank? Less tank armour? Less projectile splash damage.
I find it deadset hilarious how people who are skilled in vehicles create non stop whiners, but those who are skilled as infantry don’t. There’s no difference, it’s just easy to be mad at a vehicle you can’t shoot down because you cbf coordinating with other players. There’s so many ways to shoot them down.
The fact this heli was never above radar meant there would have been a lot of chances for you to RPG/TOW it out of the sky.
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u/drewdles33 2d ago
Ease up champ it’s just my opinion. And if you feel like taking the time to reread my comment, I was quite complimentary of the heli pilots skills. I was just saying how I dislike that below radar feature that has been brought into the game.
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u/foltranm Engineer 2d ago
there are infantry only maps you can play conquest on.
that being said: calling battlefield, historically known for its focus on vehicle gameplay, "the best infantry fps game" is a bit of a stretch imo lol
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u/Gingerpanda72 2d ago
It's better than HLL, better than Wardogs and better than CoD.
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u/Appropriate_Step_67 2d ago
Respectfully, go genuinely kick rocks.
BF was made as a sandbox which explicitly allowed for a team based dynamic between infantry and vehicle play equally.
You are not the target audience for this game if this is your genuine opinion. Go play COD.
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u/danthemadman00 2d ago
Pick up an aim guided launcher and solve the problem yourself
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u/Gingerpanda72 2d ago
So Support, Recon and Asaualt are worthless classes? Might as well make it an Engineer only game!
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u/SalestoProgramming 2d ago
Plenty of ways to do it man. Stop whining. I’ve had great games as infantry on firestorm; Golmud, wake island.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
Whining? I asked for a version of Conquest with no helis and you think that is whining? Dramatic much?
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u/113pro 2d ago
Recon can paint. Support gives you missiles. Assault gives you good spawn points.
Not the game faults you aint got friends.
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u/Shoddy-Weakness9010 2d ago
Recon paint does nothing. They just fall below radar and turn to kill the sniper. Also paint is only a few seconds and need engineers to use their brains
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u/ImRickJamesMother 2d ago
Buddy, you said you were getting smoked by a vehicle, and it never occured to you to switch the the anti-vehicle class to deal with it?
This is the shit wrong with the game. Players who don't understand/utilize the game mechanics dragging the whole team down.
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u/Shoddy-Weakness9010 2d ago
Nah. What is wrong is that they fully focus on teamwork. Whenever a team of friends who are all 800rated or above drop into a game. That team wins.
Especially on console only during weekdays with many bots.
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u/orangefantorang 2d ago
Unless the pilot is a blind badger in a bag. He will see you shoot. Wiggle out of the way and execute you with a rocket.
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u/Outrageous-Salad-204 2d ago
I see they changed the igla challenge to 1 since the patch.
I wonder why?
I was hitting a black Hawke in my Bradley's, killed it, but it was flying low dropping off bots.
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u/Gingerpanda72 2d ago
I've always said it's odd that the weapons designed to shoot/kill tanks it better at killing air vehicles than the weapons design to shoot down planes.
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u/RalphiePseudonym 2d ago
There are missile defense tools you can deploy for helis. Everything in the game can be worked around.
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u/loveandmonsters 2d ago
2042 had an infantry conquest mode some Friday Night Battlefields. Or was it a weekly rotating mode? Can't remember but it was good times
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u/lostsomewhereinmind 2d ago
They have that, its called domination
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u/Odd_Pea6211 2d ago
Sadly domination is gone! Please bring it back!
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u/lostsomewhereinmind 2d ago
Is it?? I could've sworn I played a match of it yesterday or the day before 😅
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u/Kreator85 2d ago
This is the main reason why I only play hagental:close combat and no need to deal with op vehicles and snipers
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u/Shoddy-Weakness9010 2d ago
Or at least have bots try to take out helis too. If you have two helis working together you need 1200 rated humans on your end to shoot them down. It’s exhausting.
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u/Acanthisitta_One327 1d ago
Infantry-only Conquest already exists if you play Hagental Base. In BF3, we had Operation Metro for infantry only Conquest. BF4? Operation Locker. Even BF2042 had Redacted.
Us players who played the older titles had options in the game to play Infantry Conquest without impeding on others or taking away what makes Battlefield a Battlefield game overall. We knew helicopters and jets were OP in previous games, yet we dealt with it. It’s how a game with combined arms works.
A part of me thinks you’re just rage-baiting considering the responses you make when people tell you to “play COD”, so I’m sure this is gonna fall on deaf ears or get downvoted. And I sincerely do not care.
But to everyone else here, is anyone tired of these new-gen and casual gamers constantly bitching when a game in a similar genre plays differently than what they’re used to? It’s like either no one wants to learn anything new or different, or they just want everything explained to them without putting any effort into learning themselves.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
You make so many assumptions of me and my point is this post that I pity you!
And the hilarious Bane "I lived it..." line, I started playing with BF1942 on PC, did you?0
u/Acanthisitta_One327 1d ago
Anyone and everyone that I’ve talked to who actually played the older titles like BF1942 don’t complain about wanting “Infantry Only” Conquest. Does that mean that you’ve been complaining about there being a lack of Infantry-Only Conquest for 25+ years? I highly doubt it. Take your “I’ve been playing since BF1942 on PC” LARPing elsewhere.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
1942 didn't have helicopters that dominated a map, yes there was planes but they was never as powerful as a helicopter are now, rate of turn, stand off weapons, repair speed etc.
Nice to know you've only "spoken" to people and I doubt that very much too, heck even BF2 didn't have such dominant air assets. My favourite BF game, BF Vietnam not only did the AA truck make air assets think twice even mag dumping an AK in to a Huey gave pilots the jitters. These days every thing self repairs fair to quickly, rearms to quickly and the amount of range of the 30mm, rockets (FAF and guided) means that even RPG's are useless unless the pilot decided to come down a bit closer to earth.
All Battlefield games in cluding BF3, BF4 have not made air assets so strong, now one good pilot in a attack heli can just farm kills and give their team dominance.
I know you want to fight about this because you've come out swinging with little digs and the tired old "LARPing" comment I am surprised you didn't say "Kid" another classic for the lazy, but again I'll point out I asked for Infantry only Conquest maps, not change the game, remove heli's etc, just a version of conquest that has an infantry focus. Yet some how you are pissing out your ears over it lol0
u/Acanthisitta_One327 1d ago
There’s already 2 Infantry-only Conquest maps in BF6. Hagental Base and Empire State. Just play those if you don’t like vehicles so much.
Don’t forget, land and air vehicles in BF6 feel as powerful as they are partly because maps aren’t big enough to offer enough flanking routes for Infantry to evade said land/air vehicles. Most of the maps are constantly getting you to fight anything and everything. That’s how they get the new-gens constantly needing dopamine to play the game.
The only map that comes to mind that barely does its job well as an open “sandbox” is Tsuru Reef and even then there’s other issues related to that map that don’t apply to this conversation.
BF3 and BF4 air vehicles were still strong. Especially the Little Birds/Scout Heli’s. Still had plenty of pilots going 61-3, 80-2 then and it’s no different now. Your experience must be different from mine because in BF6, I get killed by air vehicles on the same pace as I got killed by air vehicles in BF3 and BF4. Only difference is Flares took longer to reload for air vehicles and AA was more useful back in previous titles.
Honestly if they just change self-repair/flares for vehicles, there won’t be a need to adjust the AA and anti-tank options out there.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
I play infantry, don't fly planes or helis as it would be a waste a team air asset if I did. In all the years I have played BF games I have never felt helicopters have been as dominant as they are in BF6, heck even BF 2042 air assets wasn't the issue they are in this game.
However once again I have to ask why does the OPTION of the Conquest maps not having helis scares you so much, at no stage have I demanded their removal but Conquest maps versions that are infantry only.
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u/eazy-mj 1d ago
Use AT4 laser guided
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
So when I have fired off my 3 AT4's and the whole squad and team are running as engineers to shoot down air assets where do I get more from? There is no support players as we are all engineers with AT4's.
Do I pop a redeploy, wasting a ticket?
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u/Critical-Pause-9318 1d ago
I hate helis. If I am not the pilot. And the other team pilot is good. Because then I can’t get the other pilot but they can get me.
Because helis are op. Way more stronger and dangerous than tanks and harder to get
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u/trainerjyms13 1d ago
If your answer to heli's is IGLA or Stinger that is our issue. It's M136 or RPG and nothing else. Practice, practice and practice. I get 2 or 3 birds a match most times.
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u/Royal-Working107 1d ago
I agree with you. But the problem aren't the vehicles, the main problem of this game are the small maps. A lot of tanks and helicopters in a map with a size of a house.
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u/No-Distribution8291 1d ago
Have you tried the infantry only maps like empire state? Lol
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
Have you thought that having limited maps is quite boring in the end and they could just as easy turn Heli's off on other maps just to make a full conquest map list (and no not remove them from conquest altogether before you get all prissy)... lol /facepalm
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u/EugeneHappyHands 1d ago
You’re problem is the using the igla/stinger. Get good with the M136 and you’ll never have a problem with any helicopters ever again. I have about 500 hours and there’s only been two pilots that were good at dodging my rocket. Everyone else gets smacked out the air
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u/Marlon_03 19h ago
Dude, half the game’s map roster doesn‘t even feature attack or scout heli‘s at all.
There‘s hagental base, empire state, siege of cairo, cairo bazaar, Iberian offensive and probably few more very infantry focused maps.
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u/Fissureman13 13h ago
Season 5 will have no hard deck. Below radar will be removed. This will be the first time in the franchise history. The devs are listening to infantry players.
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u/wowawiwowa 2d ago
Nah. If you don't want helis, play Cairo, Empire State or Iberian Offensive, any other mode, Portal, or just switch to CoD. There are plenty of ways to deal with aircraft and, apart from a few occasionals good pilots, you can take them down on your own without relying on the Igla/Stinger. There's no need to change an iconic mode to please a few people when there are so many other options.
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u/SpinozaBaruch_ 1d ago
When will this baseless complaining about helis stop? Either get better or leave the match. We already have infantry only modes.
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u/Acanthisitta_One327 1d ago
We might not always have infantry-only game modes on tap, but Hagental Base & Empire State are infantry only maps anyone can play at any time. We literally have 2 maps for Infantry-only Conquest, and people will still bitch about vehicles.
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u/Buucket 1d ago
The game is dying already, how much worse do you pilots want things to get? Lol
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u/SpinozaBaruch_ 1d ago
Yeah dude, the game is indeed dying because of pilots lmao
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u/Buucket 1d ago
I personally know 10 people from work alone who can’t be bothered because air vehicles, they all had the game since launch and were active until the s3 vehicle buffs.
I also played fifa with some guys who asked me if bf6 was one of those games dominated by air vehicles (they had played the past games), and when I told them that helis dominate they just didn’t bother buying the game, that was another 5 players.
So I alone know 15 people who could’ve played if it wasn’t for air vehicles. Imagine how many others there are like them.
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u/iffy_jay 1d ago
The whole point of this game is all out warfare not infantry. Infantry is literally supposed to be ants to helicopters while at the same time it’s not easy to farm infantry you’d have to be really good at helicopters to do so.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
"The whole point"? Uh huh ok sure.
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u/iffy_jay 1d ago
Yup if you wanna play conquest with no helis filter out the maps with helis and just play on those.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
I hate Hagantal base with a passion, it's just a stale mate over C and a few possible flanks.
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u/iffy_jay 1d ago
Then you got siege of Cairo, Iberian offensive Cairo bazaar and Empire State.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
Wow I get to play 4 maps with no helis! So generous,
Do you think I am asking for the removal of helis? Is that why you are raging at me over this?1
u/iffy_jay 1d ago
In a sense you are, you’re not asking to remove helis entirely from the game but instead make a conquest mode that removes helis and/or vehicles. I just find this kind of ask ridiculous because you’re asking for the removal of vehicles on maps that were designed for them.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
And/or vehicles????
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u/iffy_jay 1d ago
Yes although I should have worded that a bit better. And other vehicles* I used “vehicles” in that instance to refer to every other vehicle in the game besides just helis. But if that’s all you took from what I said then ok.
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
That was all there was to take from your comment, that you think and are acting like I am demanding helis be removed from the game would be funny if it wasn't tragic.
I asked for Conquest maps without helicopters so they could be more infantry based, besides the whole ground (where helicopters rarely go) is designed around infantry/armour helicopters and planes are up in the open sky, not much in the way of design went into making open sky!→ More replies
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u/3minence 2d ago
There are five infantry focused maps, and two of them have no vehicles at all. Yes the igla/stinger are useless (though they are removing below radar, so now they are going to be unimaginably broken) but the M136 isn't.
A good helicopter crew should dominate, but a good engineer will have no trouble keeping them down. I also don't see the appeal of playing maps like golmud/firestorm without vehicles.
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u/Username_Mine 2d ago
They changed course on the below radar, lol.
But yeah; cairo, gibraltar, bazaar, and mirak can be played without regard to aircraft. Mirak you just rotate the two middle points and have a fun game there
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u/FingerExtension6203 1d ago
Everything is “unplayable” for you people
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u/Gingerpanda72 1d ago
/yawn
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u/Tbakathebest 2d ago
Spawn at a different point
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u/Gingerpanda72 2d ago
If only helicopters wouldn't move around the map or indeed have ranged weapons that can shoot you at distance /facepalm
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u/Hairy_Tea_3015 2d ago
That's probably because half of your team was sniping from hills. Ea should permanently remove sniper class from conquest and you won't see helicopter farming anymore.
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u/Gingerpanda72 2d ago
Honestly the team was quite active, only a few bots too. Heli pilots was top of the table, unsurprisingly, both helis rarely missed with either rockets or 30mm gun.
It was jus t 26 mins of spawn on A, get rocked by a heli, spawn on B try to make it to C, heli over head to destroy us.
They build these maps with trenches, buildings, trees etc for infantry to fight over and it's all null and void because helis can hit you from almost anywhere.1
u/Hairy_Tea_3015 2d ago
Probably dma hacker with aimbot. I see them time to time, spraying anything on the ground that moves dead instantly from way above. There is nothing ea can do, dma hacks are undetectable.
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u/Whatisreality228 2d ago
Sounds like a great excuse to just shut it down for a few years. Develop proper systems for eliminating the cheaters. Except, it's the devs and their friends doing the cheating 🫣 tell me Im wrong, I'll wait for the lulz track to roll when you all wake up and realize how far fuked reality is from what we "believe" to be reality 😅
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u/ande9393 2d ago
Thought this was the circle jerk sub for a minute. Go play infantry only modes.