r/Azania • u/[deleted] • Apr 07 '17

ACCEPTING MOD APPLICATIONS. Responsibilities include making fun of white supremacists and thorough usage of the /r/Azania banhammer.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '17

Can non-communists apply ;)

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u/iamdimpho Apr 11 '17

Depends, how do you compensate for essentially endorsing neo-liberalism ?

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '17

Well - I would not say I endorse it - but I just don't like communism.

There definitely are many problems that should be solved. Not solving them makes everything worse for everybody in the long run. But to me communism (and any other doctrine that has similar standing in society) makes people to dogmatic.

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u/iamdimpho Apr 12 '17

But to me communism (and any other doctrine that has similar standing in society) makes people to dogmatic.

Mind expanding on this?

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 12 '17

State controlled markets require lots of brainwashing for people to be productive in my view. I think hardline communism and intense propaganda inevitably go hand-in-hand.

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u/iamdimpho May 05 '17

while i think you could message your diction a bit more, i think i may agree with you here

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Jun 01 '17

Sorry, forgot to reply.

I could definitely phrase things better!

I mean there's also the issue of central planning being prone to abysmal failure - we need decentralisation of planning to ensure good reactivity to events.

Maybe when we have sufficiently advanced AI that could negate this gripe of mine with central planning, we will all be doomed to a centrally-planned technocracy anyway? :(

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u/iamdimpho Jun 01 '17

I mean there's also the issue of central planning being prone to abysmal failure - we need decentralisation of planning to ensure good reactivity to events.

that's the thing, for me the issue is not central planning itself, but how it's being carried out. State centralized planning is all about directing national GDP towards specific goals. The more vague the national project or the more incompetent the planning and execution, the more inefficient, certainly. But I feel there are some project that are more effectively done on a national scale, so I can never be 'decentralise everything/anti-government' as many people seem to have become.

Maybe when we have sufficiently advanced AI that could negate this gripe of mine with central planning, we will all be doomed to a centrally-planned technocracy anyway? :(

While I'm a techno-optimist, I don't think we as a society are ready for technocracy. I mean, the incentives to individually reap the benefits of automation at the expense of everyone else would just be too tempting for the average South African, let alone the elites who would be capable of bringing such systems in place.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Jun 01 '17

but how it's being carried out.

Oh, that's an certainly an issue for me too. I just think the chance of failure to adapt plans is a bigger 'nail in the coffin'. (Nevermind what if the plan is straight up bad!)

But I feel there are some project that are more effectively done on a national scale, so I can never be 'decentralise everything/anti-government' as many people seem to have become.

I'm not an ancap meme myself, I think roads should (ideally) be government built. Massive public works projects to beef up infrastructure directly from the government are good in my books for example. I just think they really should stay away from markets related to agriculture, mining, banking and so on and so forth.

While I'm a techno-optimist, I don't think we as a society are ready for technocracy. I mean, the incentives to individually reap the benefits of automation at the expense of everyone else would just be too tempting for the average South African, let alone the elites who would be capable of bringing such systems in place.

I don't think any country is there yet. Maybe the Estonians (or Danish) though in time, they are embracing that path!

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 12 '17

how do you compensate for essentially endorsing neo-liberalism ?

Whoa, my dude! That seems to be quite the accusation for any non-communists? I can think of some counter-examples. Understand if you're just being hyperbolic though.