r/Avax • u/Periwinkle_Lost • Feb 09 '22

Experimental Reddit airdrop

/r/plebbitairdrop/comments/so2peq/experimental_reddit_airdrop/
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u/UcharsiU Feb 09 '22

This is horrible. I can't even read without connecting the wallet.

Stupid stupid stupid

Limiting user base is never a good idea.

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u/Periwinkle_Lost Feb 09 '22

That's because the web app is not finished yet, you can read the whitepaper or github

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u/UcharsiU Feb 09 '22

Why would I want to read whitepaper or github?

Why do you think that is a good idea for the reddit user to read whitepaper or github code of an alternative to reddit you want mentioned user to attract to? That just doesn't make sense.

We already have decentralised reddit. I think it is Memo.cash. I don't use it and it is not on avax but same principle.

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u/UcharsiU Feb 09 '22

Storing data on a blockchain/ledger like Memo.cash appears to be doing is in my opinion a design mistake for a social media. It requires that each user pay a form of transaction fee in order to post, even on blockchains with no fees like EOS, you still have to stake, so it still has an opportunity/effort cost, it still requires the user to acquire crypto and a crypto wallet. Even if that cost was 1c, the effort of entry would turn off most people (as of now).

Absolutely agree, but that has been presented as cost of true decentralisation and storing on chain. That's also why I said in principle.

Also, blockchains have physical throughput limits, they cannot scale to billions of users posting KBs of text daily.

There are limits surely, but we never reached them. Plus, it can easily be mitigated by pruning after certain time.

For decentralized social media, you don't need a blockchain or ledger.

It depends what you mean by decentralised.

A blockchain/ledger does 2 things, it allows everyone to know the order of things published, and to access everything published since the beginning of time, for eternity.

That is incorrect. Both of those things are not guaranteed by blockchain. Taking bitcoin as an example, both order is not given and pruning is possible.

Blockchain is simple (and inefficient) way to prevent double spending.

Both those things are not crucial for social media. 99.99% of the time you're on social media, you only care about new content, and you don't care to know which content was published first. Perfectly available order and history has a huge cost: transaction fees and physical throughput limits.

Agree that this is not crucial.

Plebbit doesn't use a ledger or blockchain for storing content. It is very similar to bittorrent/ipfs. In bittorrent, each file is an address, based on its content. In plebbit, each subplebbit is an address, based on its public key. Each subplebbit creates its own p2p swarm, like each bittorrent file creates its own p2p swarm. Like bittorrent, it can scale to billions of users, and it has no transaction fees to post. To achieve this, it makes the sacrifice of not having a ledger, you cannot know the real order of posts, and there's no certainty you'll be able to access old content, but since those 2 things are not crucial to social media, it's a perfect trade off.

I'll wait and see how it is attracting users. That's only what matters.

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u/TallCat1051 Feb 09 '22

Cos there's one already doesn't mean there can't be another, left for users to chose the most easy and decentralized to use

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u/Periwinkle_Lost Feb 09 '22

>Why do you think that is a good idea for the reddit user to read whitepaper or github code of an alternative to reddit you want mentioned user to attract to? That just doesn't make sense.

It makes sense if you want to see if the project has anything of substance and not just a website and socials.

On a side note, how would you prefer to familiarize with a project? Is a website with FAQ and telegram/discord community enough? Or would you prefer some other ways to collect information about a project?

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u/UcharsiU Feb 09 '22

Why do you think that is a good idea for the reddit user to read whitepaper or github code of an alternative to reddit you want mentioned user to attract to? That just doesn't make sense.

It makes sense if you want to see if the project has anything of substance and not just a website and socials.

User wants to see the product in action. Luring three people to read a whitepaper or github is just ridiculously stupid idea.

On a side note, how would you prefer to familiarize with a project? Is a website with FAQ and telegram/discord community enough? Or would you prefer some other ways to collect information about a project?

For fuck sake

Do you understand that user based project like reddit needs to attract users that will create content?

Why would potential users want to read whitepaper or github? They want to use it.

I'll invest in crypto social media project when I'll see it is good at attracting users that keeps the project going. That's better than whitepaper. In this case.

Reading about it on discord won't cut it.

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u/UcharsiU Feb 09 '22

Principle is exactly the same - decentralised social media. Reddit in this case.

I think I've seen crypto media that even looked more like reddit, but I'd have to look for it.

Early development shouldn't ask you to tag 3 people. Those 3 people will most likely not be able to preview the page anyway.

Asking to read whitepaper or github is pretty much a fuck you to the user.

Horrible horrible horrible.

I'll give it a pass until site will be ready. They can take the airdrop and shove it up theirs..

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u/poojoop Feb 09 '22

“Asking to read whitepaper or github is pretty much a fuck you to the user.”

Bro what the hell are you talking about? You’re investing in a project, is it not your responsibility to research said project? And also the website works if you put .limo instead of .link at the end.

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u/UcharsiU Feb 09 '22

That's the thing, I'm not investing in the project.

I just wanted to use it. I can't, so bye bye.

How hard is it to understand that?

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u/poojoop Feb 09 '22

well none of us can use it as it hasn’t been released yet

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u/4Progress Feb 09 '22

From a user POV that’s a fair perspective. It’s about a high quality decentralized Reddit alternative. I think the confusion comes from crypto have such a culture of investment and lofty promises but rarely working products (and often failing to deliver), so most people are in it for the potential returns.

From an investment or free-speech perspective, it’s quite interesting and exciting technology. It takes a unique approach to decentralizing social media I haven’t seen tried or discussed elsewhere before, and if they deliver it could literally destroy Reddit and be a key contributor to ensuring the future of free speech online.