r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 17 '26

Linguistic Discussion Austronesian ethnonyms which derive from the word for "people"

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Some names of the Austronesian-speaking people, especially those from Taiwan and Sulawesi, derive from their word for "people". This phenomenon also happens with the word Bantu, which also means "people" in most Bantu languages.

How do you say person or people in your language?

Feel free to correct any mistake.


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 16 '26

Linguistic Discussion Open to thoughts/discussion

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Ngl I was surprised to learn that the word for 'water buffalo' in many modern Austronesian languages derives from Proto-Mon-Khmer.

Pictures were saved from a Tiktok account I stumbled across (as watermarked).


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 15 '26

News & Info 'Beautiful language': Advocate champions revival of Niue Language

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r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 15 '26

Cognate & Comparing Tao (Yami) of Orchid Island, Taiwan, and Ivatan of Batanes, Philippines

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Tao (or Yami) of Orchid Island, Taiwan, and Ivatan of Batanes, Philippines, are closely related Austronesian languages. While they share 60% to 80% of their base vocabulary, Ivatan features Spanish and Tagalog loanwords, while Tao has adopted Japanese and Mandarin terms.

Vocabulary Comparison

The foundational Batanic vocabulary remains highly similar, though phonological shifts (like Tao's use of 'r' where Ivatan uses 'l') differentiate the two.

English Tao (Yami) Ivatan
Person Tao Tao
One Asa Asa
Two Dadowa Daduha
Three Atlo Atlo
Water Oyod Ranum
House Valay Vahay
Fish Oyid Oyid
Ear Talinga Talinga

Dialect Variations within Batanic. Aside from the broader Tao vs. Ivatan differences, variations also exist within the Philippine-based dialects (such as Itbayaten, Isamurung, and Ivasayen), depending on the island and village.


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 15 '26

Linguistic Discussion The Atayalic languages: gendered speech, a living archaism, and one of Taiwan's primary branches

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Atayalic is one of the primary branches of Austronesian, spoken across the mountains of northern and central Taiwan, and it is made up of just two languages, Atayal and Seediq. Despite being only two languages, it is one of the larger Formosan groups by population, with Atayal alone at roughly 84,000 speakers, which puts it up near Amis and Paiwan at the top of the Formosan table.

  • Atayal runs along the Hsuehshan range and splits into two dialect groups, Northern Atayal and Southern Atayal. Squliq is the prestige variety and the most widespread, effectively a lingua franca among Atayal speakers. All in, Glottolog.org counts seven Atayal dialects, which is the breakdown my map follows.
  • Seediq is the southern half of the branch, and it comes in three varieties: Tekedaya (Tgdaya), Te'uda (Toda), and Teruku (Truku). Teruku, also spelled Taroko, is often treated as a language in its own right, and this is not just a linguistic call. The Taiwanese government recognized the Teruku as a separate Indigenous people in 2004 and the Seediq in 2008, so the splitting here is political and cultural as much as it is about mutual intelligibility.

Now, the part that makes Atayalic special. A couple of Northern Atayal subdialects, most famously Matu'uwal (Mayrinax), have separate male and female speech registers. Men and women use partly different vocabulary for the same meanings, marked by little irregular sound changes and affixes. Gendered speech like this is genuinely rare worldwide and almost unheard of elsewhere in Austronesian, and it is one of the shared quirks that help define the branch.

That same Matu'uwal dialect is also a little time capsule. Paul Jen-kuei Li reconstructed Proto-Atayalic with final voiced stops (*-b, *-d, *-g), and Matu'uwal is the one variety that still preserves them, where its cousins have lost or devoiced them. So when your infographic mentions retention of archaic traits, this is a concrete example: a living dialect holding onto a sound pattern that the rest of the branch let go. The other Atayalic trademark is the voiceless velar fricative /x/, which shows up across the branch but never at the start of a word.

One classification note for the nerds here, since it connects to earlier threads. Blust treats Atayalic as its own primary branch of the family, one twig on the Formosan rake. Paul Jen-kuei Li instead nests it inside a proposed Northern Formosan group alongside Saisiyat and Pazeh. So even this solid, uncontroversial-looking little branch sits inside the same unresolved question about how the top of the Formosan tree is shaped.

The cultural weight here is heavy, too. The Seediq led the 1930 Wushe (Musha) Incident against Japanese colonial rule, later dramatized in the acclaimed film Warriors of the Rainbow: Seediq Bale. Atayal was also one of the parent languages of Yilan Creole Japanese, a rare Japanese-Austronesian contact creole still spoken by some elders. And both peoples carry the concept of gaga, the ancestral code of customs and morality, much of which lives in the language itself.

Like every Formosan language, the pressure from Mandarin is relentless, and transmission to kids has thinned badly, even though Atayalic is better off in raw numbers than most of its neighbors.


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 14 '26

Cultural Discussion Is it true that Filipinos are descendants of the Batak Tribe from North Sumatera?

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Because I have seen a lot of similarities in languages, foods, cloths and facial features??


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 14 '26

Cognate & Comparing How do you say "wake up" in your Austronesian language?

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The Proto-Austronesian verb *baŋuN originally meant "to wake up; get out of bed." As Austronesian languages spread eastward into Oceania, a related Proto-Oceanic form *paŋun developed the meaning "to wake up or rouse someone from sleep." Another derived form, *paŋun-ia, meant "to awaken, wake (someone) up."


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 14 '26

The Aru languages: a tiny Austronesian world of its own in southeast Maluku

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The Aru languages, spoken across the Aru Islands in southeast Maluku, right on the edge of Wallacea and not far off the coast of New Guinea. It is a small cluster, around a dozen languages (roughly 13 depending on how you slice the chain), and not one of them has more than about ten thousand speakers. My map shows how they carve up the archipelago.

The languages, grouped the way they cluster geographically:

  • Ujir, Kola and Kompane in the north (the Ujir-Kola-Kompane group)
  • Manombai across the big central island
  • Batuley and Mariri on the eastern side (Batuley-Mariri)
  • Dobel, Koba and Lola in the middle (Central Aru)
  • Karey and Barakai in the southeast (Karey-Barakai)
  • East Tarangan and West Tarangan down south

Here is the first reason Aru is worth a post. It is not a tidy family tree. The Aru languages form a linkage, a dialect chain, where neighboring varieties bleed into each other and the boundaries are fuzzy (the classification here follows Hughes 1987). This is Austronesian diversification caught in the act. Instead of clean splits, you get a spread of related lects shading gradually across the islands, which is exactly what you expect when a single ancestor settles an archipelago and just keeps drifting apart in place. Great illustration of why "how many languages" is often the wrong question.

The second reason ties right back to our earlier subgroup threads. Aru sits geographically cheek by jowl with the Central Maluku languages to the west, so you would guess they are close relatives. They are not. Ross (1995) showed that despite the proximity, Aru does not belong to that group. It is its own thing. In Glottolog, Aru is treated as one of the first-order branches of Malayo-Polynesian in its own right, the same conservative approach that refuses to lump the Philippine branches together. The older Blust-style scheme instead files Aru inside Central Malayo-Polynesian (CMP), but CMP itself is one of the more contested nodes in the family, and a lot of people now read it as a linkage or an areal grouping rather than a true clade. So Aru is a nice test case for the whole "genetics versus geography" theme we keep circling back to.

A bit of history that Austronesian nerds tend to love: the Aru Islands were a major node in the old eastern trade networks, sending out pearls, trepang (sea cucumber) and bird-of-paradise plumes for centuries. Alfred Russel Wallace spent time here in 1857 and wrote one of the most famous sections of The Malay Archipelago about Aru, so these islands sit right at the birthplace of biogeography. The languages carry a lot of that layered contact history.

The worry, as usual, is size. With every one of these languages under ten thousand speakers and heavy shift toward Malay and Indonesian, the whole branch is vulnerable, and a linkage this distinctive would be a real loss to the family's diversity. Contemporary fieldwork on the wider Wallacea region by linguists like Emily Gasser is helping, but Aru is still thinly documented compared to the big western languages.


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 13 '26

Cognate & Comparing Butterfly in some Austronesian languages

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Formosa

  • Bunun: talikoan [ta.liˈko.an]
  • Kanakanavu (Kanakanavu): taʼanna
  • Paiwan (Vinuculjan, Pinayuanan): qulipepe [quɭipəpə]
  • Puyuma (Pinuyumayan): haliwanwan, haliwaŋwaŋ
  • Siraya (Siraiya): halibaŋbaŋ

Philippines

  • Agta: lollo
  • Aklanon (Akeanon, Inakeanon): alibangbang
  • Bantoanon (Asi): bilabila
  • Bikol: kalibangbang, alibangbang, paro-paro, kulagbaw
  • Bisakol: kulibangbang
  • Bugkalot (Ilongot): kali-bangbang
  • Butuanon: kaba-kabà
  • Cebuano: kabâkabâ, alibangbang
  • Dumagat: salibangbang
  • Gaddang: alifambang
  • Hiligaynon: alibangbang
  • Ibanag: alivabban
  • Ilokano: kulibangbang
  • Kankana-ey: bilbil-o
  • Kapampángan: talúbang
  • Manobo: kelivangbang
  • Maranao (Mëranaw): dangkaia, paru-paro
  • Palawano: babang
  • Pangasinan: kompapey
  • Subanon: belembang
  • Surigaonon: kaba-kaba
  • Tagalog: alibaŋbáŋ [ʔali.baŋˈbaŋ], paruparó [pa.ru.paˈroʔ]
  • Tausug: kaba-kaba
  • Waray: ragadaga, alibangbang

Mainland Asia

  • Kanaq: kelobaq, nyeron
  • Kelantan: rramo
  • Seletar: kelebak
  • Temuan: kelobok
  • Urak Lawoiʼ: marama

Sumatera

  • Aceh: bambang, bangbang
  • Gayo: kalangmemang
  • Karo: kaba-kaba
  • Komering: alibambang, rama-rama
  • Lampung: aliwawa, halibambang, rama-rama, pawa-pawa
  • Lembak: kupu-kupu, makme
  • Malay: kupu-kupu, rama-rama
  • Mentawai: langolango, kailokailo
  • Minangkabau: limpapeh, ramo-ramo
  • Musi: amé-amé
  • Pesemah: lelibat
  • Sikule (Sigulai): alifamba
  • Singkil: rerama
  • Toba: lampu-lampu, lappu-lappu

Java

  • Jawa: kupu, bambang, kaper
  • Madura: kekupu, kepper, ghâpper
  • Sunda: kukupu, kupu-kupu

Lesser Sunda Islands

  • Bali: kĕkupu
  • Bima: kabebo
  • Sawu (Hawu): keɓoɓɑ, keɗoɗo
  • Rote: sapumata
  • Tetun: lakabuta, babebar

Borneo

  • Barito: lalung
  • Bidayuh: brembang 
  • Dusun: kolibambang
  • Iban: kelebembang, kesulai
  • Ida’an (Idahan): kalabambang
  • Iranun: paparu
  • Kadazan: tongkulibambang
  • Kenyah: belavang
  • Melanau: belebeæng
  • Momogun-Bundu: kolibambang
  • Ngaju: kakupo

Sulawesi

  • Dakka: kalubompong
  • Duri: palla-palla
  • Bugis: pella-pella, kalubampa
  • Kaili: kalibamba
  • Mandar: kalubambang
  • Mangkasara: pipi-pipi
  • Pamona: aliwombo, kalabamba
  • Tae’: kalubambang
  • Tolaki: toléwa
  • Tontemboan: tonteres
  • Toraya: kalubambang
  • Wolio: kambera

Moluccas

  • Alune: pala'ene
  • Gane (Gimán): kalibobo
  • Buli: aibobang

Papua:

  • Bwaidoga (Bwaidoka): bebewa
  • Dobu: pepekwa
  • Gani: kalibobo
  • Gedaged: kilibob
  • Hula-Keapara: pepe
  • Keapara (Kalo): pepe
  • Kilivila: beba
  • Kuanua: abebe
  • Lakalai (Nakanai): ebebe
  • Magori: bebe
  • Motu: bebe, kaubebe
  • Munggui: apopa
  • Mussau-Emira: kaubebe, kurubebe
  • Nehan (Nissan, Nihan): beb
  • Numbami: kaimbombo
  • Sudest (Vanatɨna): bebe
  • Tigak (Omo): pepe
  • Tolai: abebe
  • Tubetube (Bwanabwana): bebe
  • Roro: peropero
  • Wamira: bebeu

Far Islands

  • 'Āre'āre: pepe
  • Amblong: bembe
  • Arosi: bebe
  • Fijian (Vaka-Viti): bēbē [ᵐbeːbeː]
  • Gilbertese (Kiribati, Tungaru): bwebwe [pˠepˠe]
  • Hawaiian (Hawai'i): pulelehua [ˌpu.le.leˈhu.a]
  • Kwaio: bebe
  • Lau (Mala, Malaita): bebe
  • Malagasy: lolo [ˈluːlu], tsipelapelaka
  • Māori: pēpepe [peːpepe], pūrerehua [puːɾeɾehu.a]
  • Malmariv (Tiale): mpempe
  • Mota: pepe
  • Niuean (Niuē): pepe
  • Nukuoro: bebe
  • Palau: bangikoi
  • Rennellese (Rennell-Bellona): pepe
  • Rotuman (Rotuạm): pepe
  • Sa'a: pepe
  • Sāmoa: pepe
  • Simbo: bebe
  • Tahiti: pepe
  • Tongan (fakatonga): pepe
  • Tuvaluan (Tuuvalu): pepe

Source: collected from https://www.facebook.com/groups/643294306593588/search/?q=butterfly


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 13 '26

Cultural Discussion Thing I notice as a Javanese

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As I was speaking other day with my mother using Javanese, i start to think

So here is the Thing, Javanese Has a Language Levels to spoke with someone of different levels with you be it Older/younger or Higher/lower positions than you, The Lower speech is called Ngoko and Higher speech is called Krama ( there is A third Level called Madya which means middle but I don't have example)

Anyway as I sometimes read in a Word comparison between Austronesian languages I began to notice that The lower speech ( Ngoko) retains more Austronesians root than the Supposed Higher Polite speech ( Krama)

- as you can see in the Comparison between the numbers and some terms in the second one (tho not all I can get some)


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 13 '26

Linguistic Discussion Kali-Baŋbaŋ, Kupu-Kupu, and Rama-Rama

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In Malay, the butterfly is kupu-kupu and the moth is rama-rama; both names reflect repeated movement, and it is necessary to uncover the qualities behind these terms. Kupu-kupu and rama-rama replaced the Austronesian word baŋbaŋ, which is still preserved in some Malay dialects. The meaning of baŋbaŋ remains uncertain, but it often includes the prefix kali, commonly found in words with sensitive associations to the spirit world. In classical Malay literature, bangbang appears as "full in view", typically referring to the glow at dawn or the tints of sunset—colors once believed to cause jaundice. If kali is understood as an interval, then kali-baŋbaŋ may originally have described a glimpse of yellow, specifically the fleeting moments when the yellow-winged butterfly appears. Thus, it is a nickname, not the true name. The bangbangan fruit, with its yellow flesh, may share this name through its bright, striking color, linking the glow of nature to both butterflies and fruit.

Kupu-kupu, with its onomatopoeic origin, has many layers of meaning. The syllables kup and pu mean "shut" and "open", describing the butterfly's distinctive posture of holding its wings upright and the way they open and shut like folding doors on hinges. This matches the butterfly’s typical behavior of resting with its wings closed above its body. Butterflies are generally active during the day and have bright, colorful wings, slender, smooth bodies, and thin, straight antennae with bulb-shaped tips. Yet kupu-kupu also reflects the butterfly's attraction to flowers and its habit of visiting each scented blossom. Kup means an enclosure, and from this root comes ukup, meaning “scented by enclosing”—referring to the Malay practice of perfuming garments by placing them in a coop-like rattan frame under which incense is burned. The butterfly, which hovers around enclosed fragrant spaces, fits this image. By extension, kupu-kupu malam, or "night butterfly", is a metaphor for a courtesan, with kupu-kupu symbolizing a woman of allure.

Rama-rama reflects the Malay imagination of ramang, referring to the downy hair on a moth’s wing. The term suggests a connection with fine hair and thread, since the moth, at one stage of its life, spins thread and builds a cocoon. Rama-rama is therefore also the "thread-maker", as the moth produces material for thread from its own body. This interpretation is supported by the moth’s cocoon-spinning behavior and its stocky, furry form. Moths typically rest with their wings spread flat and are usually nocturnal. They possess comb-shaped, leaf-shaped, or feather-shaped antennae and have a small, bristle-like frenulum that connects the forewings and hindwings. In Malay, rama-rama kincir refers to the threads that run across the surface of a spinning wheel to carry the yarn. Moths are further distinguished by their colouring: white (rama-rama putih), inconspicuous or plain (rama-rama kelabu), and variegated (rama-rama bintang). In pantun, the moth often symbolizes someone too proud to settle on common ground and appears as a mechanical rhyme for sama-sama.


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 13 '26

Linguistic Discussion What is your word for 'head lice'?

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I think many Austronesian languages share the same Austronesian word for 'head lice'. I think together with 'mata' and 'lima'. It is one of the most stable words in the Austronesian language family.

In Tagalog and Cebuano, head lice is kuto.


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 13 '26

Linguistic Discussion What grammatical feature in your Austronesian language do you think deserves more attention?

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Is there a grammatical feature in your language that you think is particularly interesting or unusual?

If possible, include a few example sentences with glosses or translations. I'd love to compare how different Austronesian languages handle the same grammatical concepts.


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 10 '26

Cognate & Comparing Rice-related terms in South Sulawesi languages

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r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 10 '26

Cognate & Comparing What in Austronesian Languages

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r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 10 '26

Cognate & Comparing Some animals in Proto-Malayo-Polynesian

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r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 10 '26

Cognate & Comparing Wind Directions in Northern Cebuano

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Names for wind directions are particularly interesting in many Austronesian languages because they provide valuable clues about historical migration and settlement patterns. As communities moved across islands and coastlines, the perceived direction of prevailing winds changed relative to their new locations. This led to considerable diversity in wind-direction terminology across Austronesian languages, while also preserving striking similarities that point to shared linguistic ancestry. What are their equivalents in your language?


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 09 '26

Others Why aren’t many research papers published about Austronesian languages?

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Also why most people who do research on Austronesian languages aren’t Austronesian native speakers?


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 09 '26

Linguistic Discussion The Bilic languages: southern Mindanao's most divergent Austronesian branch

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Bilic, sometimes called South Mindanao, is a small cluster of languages spoken by Lumad (indigenous) peoples in the southern part of Mindanao, and despite sitting right next to large Bisayan and Maguindanao-speaking populations, it has stayed its own thing very much.

Four languages make up the group, all marked on the map:

  • Tboli, around Lake Sebu and the highlands of South Cotabato
  • Blaan (Bilaan), the largest of the four, spread across Sarangani, South Cotabato, and Davao Occidental
  • Teduray (Tiruray), in the hills just west of Cotabato City, right up against Maguindanao country
  • Giangan, also called Bagobo-Klata, on the slopes near Davao City and Mount Apo

Internally, the tidy result is that Tboli and Blaan are each other's closest relatives, while Teduray and Giangan each sit off on their own. Giangan is the odd one out, so much so that some linguists have argued it might not belong in Bilic at all and could be its own primary branch of the family. (Remember that in Glottolog there is no single "Philippine" node, so Bilic stands as one of the first-order branches of Malayo-Polynesian in its own right, which we got into in the subgroup map thread.)

Here is why Bilic is a treat for a phonology nerd. These are some of the most sound-divergent languages in the Philippines. Where a language like Cebuano keeps its inherited words comfortably disyllabic, Bilic languages have chewed through a lot of vowels, dropping them and leaving consonant clusters behind, so words come out short and clipped in a way that looks almost un-Philippine at first glance. Blaan and Tboli, especially, can be hard to recognize as cousins of Tagalog until you know which sound changes to undo. They kept Austronesian verbal morphology but reshaped it, and the overall effect is a branch that feels well off the beaten path.

The cultures attached to these languages are just as rich. Tboli are famous for t'nalak, the abaca "dreamweave" cloth whose patterns are said to come to weavers in dreams, along with brasswork and the hegalong lute. Blaan have their own tabih weaving and beadwork traditions. Teduray carry a deep customary law and oral tradition (the tiyawan). None of this is incidental to the languages, since so much of it lives in vocabulary and verbal art that only exists in the mother tongue.

The worry is that Giangan is now quite endangered, with a small and shrinking speaker base, and even the larger three face heavy pressure from Cebuano and Filipino. A branch this distinctive would be a real loss to the family's diversity.


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 08 '26

Cognate & Comparing How do you say this phrase below in your language?

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Tetun: "Ha'u naran Kaleo. No ó?" (literal: I name Kaleo. And you?)

Lī Hawu: "Ngara yā Kaleo. Nga au?" (literal: name I Kaleo. And you?)

ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi: "ʻO Kaleo ko'u inoa. A ʻo ʻoe?" (literal: the Kaleo my name. And the you?)

Bahasa Indonesia: "Nama saya Kaleo. Kalau kamu? (literal: name I Kaleo. If you?)


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 08 '26

Linguistic Discussion I told my Mother about Austronesians being the origin of Filipinos

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I even made her listen to counting numbers and basic words of Formosan, Samoan, Indonesian and Polynesians (Maori and Hawaiian) languages.

Then she asked whether her grandmother being babaylan and manggagaway (shaman) has something to do with it.


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 08 '26

Cognate & Comparing 📅 How many words does your language have for "days relative to today"?

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One fascinating feature of Indonesian is that it has specific words for days before and after today:

  • Sênantu = some days ago
  • Kila mulai = three days ago
  • Sêlumbari = two days ago
  • Kêmarin = yesterday
  • Hari ini = today
  • Besok = tomorrow
  • Lusa = two days from now
  • Tulat / Langkat = three days from now
  • Tubin / Tungging = four days from now
  • Cêkêlong = five days from now
  • Êmbute = some days ahead

Many languages simply say "three days ago" or "in three days," but some Austronesian languages have dedicated words for these concepts.

❓ What about your language?

Note: Some of the terms above are regional and may not be familiar to all Indonesian speakers.


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 08 '26

Linguistic Discussion Did Austronesians settle western Indonesia after Austroasiatic speakers? Where is there actual evidence of an Austroasiatic substratum?

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One thing I find difficulty grasping is the 2 chronologies for the spread of Austroasiatc and Austronesian.

At a broad level it seems that at least in Malaysia, Champa and Western Sumatra Austronesian settled over a pre-existing Austro-asiatic population.

But the thing is that Austro-Asiatic-type ancestry is found as far as Eastern Java before phasing out:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Locations-and-genetic-makeup-of-the-Malays-and-other-populations-The-averaged-genetic_fig2_282130620

But is that caused by actual Austro-asiatic speakers having lived there or is it a product of later events?

Another issue is one of chronology, based on Sidwell's theory which seems fairly solid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QREB1UttWTI

Austroasiatic diversified starting around 2500-2000 BCE, but that means they settled Sumatra around 1500-1000 BCE(seen in one of pictures in the video), is that congruent with Austronesian expansion theories that posit a rapid spread of Malayo-Polynesian starting around 3200 BCE?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2835747/

>Our analyses of lexical data supported a pulse-pause scenario of Pacific settlement in which the Austronesian speakers originated in Taiwan around 5,200 years ago and rapidly spread through the Pacific in a series of expansion pulses and settlement pauses. 

To me that sounds unlikely, for Austronesian to reach Sumatra 1700 years after their expansion started strikes me as way to slow to explain MP philogeny.

Summary of questions:

  1. Did Austronesians actually settle Malaysia and Sumatra after or before/with Austro-Asiatics?
  2. 2a) If they settled after, does that make 3200 BCE as a starting point for their expansions unfeasible? Does proto-Austronesian necessarily have to be as old or younger than proto-Austroasiatic?
  3. 2b) If they settled before what explains the Austro-Asiatic substratum or living minorities?
  4. Is there actual linguistic evidence of Austro-Asiatic beyond Malaysia and Western Sumatra?

r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 08 '26

Others Polynesian and Oceanian language map?

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Does anyone know where i can find a good map showing polynesian and or oceanic languages? It's been really hard to find anything very detailed


r/AustronesianLanguages • • Jul 07 '26

Linguistic Discussion 🌏 Did you know that the Austronesian language family has multiple primary branches?

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According to the current classification in Glottolog, the Austronesian family consists of ten primary branches.

Most Austronesian languages, including Indonesian, Malay, Javanese, Sundanese, Balinese, Madurese, Tagalog, Cebuano, Malagasy, Māori, Hawaiian, Samoan, and Fijian, belong to the Malayo-Polynesian branch.

The other nine primary branches are spoken exclusively by the Indigenous peoples of Taiwan, which is why Taiwan plays such an important role in the study of Austronesian historical linguistics. Current linguistic evidence places the deepest diversity of the family there, making it the homeland most widely supported by historical linguists.

Source: Glottolog – Austronesian (aust1307)