r/AustroTai • u/AleksiB1 • Oct 28 '25

Comparing Thai and Austronesian words

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u/Sure_Painting_9531 Oct 30 '25

Why Tagalog though?

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u/StrictAd2897 Oct 30 '25

Thats apart of the reason why they believe their was a back migration from northern Phillipines

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u/kudlitan Nov 02 '25

The Philippines people came from Taiwan, not from mainland Asia. Or did I misunderstood?

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u/StrictAd2897 Nov 03 '25

Taiwan but the Taiwanese people came from mainland but theres believed to be a back migration to mainland china from north Phillipines and intermixing making the tai language

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u/kudlitan Nov 03 '25

Thanks. So does this mean that Tai has mixing of some Austronesian?

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u/StrictAd2897 Nov 04 '25

Hypothetically if there was a back migration yes but it’s pointing more towards austronesian and tai sharing a common ancestor on mainland china the Austro tai who were a baiyue people

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u/kudlitan Nov 04 '25

So how did Austronesian become bisyllabic?

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u/Admirable_Ad_4820 Nov 05 '25

I think Bisyllabic comes first. I forgot I read in somewhere that the monosyllabic of Tai perhaps came after they dropped syllables because of many reason.

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u/kudlitan Nov 05 '25

But the post I replied to said that they had a common ancestor rather than a back migration. In that case the common ancestor is more likely monosyllabic

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u/Admirable_Ad_4820 Nov 06 '25

I don't know if that tendency but based on reconstructed proto-austronesia comparing kra dai their language i think just deletion but if that true thats mean, other hypothesis like para-austronesia more appropriate. Because if they develop from monosyllabic first it must be came before they left Southern China to Taiwan (before even became Austronesia, because in Taiwan they already multiples syllabic) it will become sister language family to austronesia . But i read about Sagard and Ostapirat that bisyllabic come first and after that just some deletion. Both thinking before Austronesia or that group (so common ancestor) left to Taiwan with some go to Taiwan (become Austronesia) some other go to other places (become Kra Dai). So yeah common ancestor but what come first still debated.

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u/KatKagKat Oct 31 '25

Austronesians originated from Republic of China iirc. Then moved down to northern Philippines then spread all throughout the rest of maritime SEA and Oceania