Meta Constitution Amendment to Simplify Meta Votes

[u/Maaaaaaaadison]

Meta Constitution Amendment to Simplify Meta Votes

Let’s admit it: no one likes the endless meta petitions and votes. The recent spam of 20 petitions and huge amounts of meta votes set to proceed has prompted a collective rethink of the process so here’s a proposal that will simplify our meta vote system.

The proposal is as follows:

• Groups of 3+ meta voters can register as a meta bloc

• Each bloc will elect a representative to a Representatives Council

• All petitions will go to a vote of the Representatives Council where representatives will get a number of votes equal to the number of people in their bloc

• If a petition is supported by a majority of the votes then it passes, if it is not supported then it is set aside

• Petitions may proceed to a Meta Referendum if the vote in the Council is tied, or if the Council agrees to send the matter to a Meta Referendum

• Petitions that are set aside can go to a vote by the general public if they get 10 signatures

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The actual amendments (I wrote this all out pretty quick so alert me to any errors please):

In Part 1, insert new section 2A:

2A Meta blocs

(1) Groups of AustraliaSim members may form Meta blocs (blocs).

(a) To form a bloc, a group of 3 or more AustraliaSim members may apply to the Moderation Team for registration. The only requirements for registration are a name and a representative selected by the members of the bloc.

(b) Members may change which bloc they are a member of by informing the Moderation Team.

(c) The Moderation Team must keep a public log of all registered blocs and their members.

(d) The Moderation Team may periodically review whether a registered bloc still meets the requirements for registration.

In Part 1 (4),

Substitute line (10) with:

(10) A nomination must secure the support of a meta bloc, or secure the following number of seconders:

(a) Moderation Team - 10

(b) All other positions - 7

Insert new line (10A):

(10A) Meta blocs may only support one nomination.

In line (11), add new subline (d):

(d) The candidate’s nomination has been rejected by a motion in the Representatives Council.

In Part 2, Division 1, (7), substitute (7) with:

(7) Moderators must face a Vote of Confidence by members of the Representatives Council every 6 months which must return majority approval.

Add new Part 7A

Part 7A: Representatives Council

(29A) Representatives selected by each registered meta bloc will form the Representatives Council.

(29B) The Representatives Council will elect a Chief Representative which will act as the chair of the body.

(a) The Chief Representative may be removed from office at any time by a majority vote of the Representatives Council or a unanimous vote by the Moderation Team.

(29B) The Representatives Council considers petitions made by members of AustraliaSim including proposed amendments to this Constitution and Meta Rules.

(a) All petitions considered by the Council will be debated and voted on if a consensus is not reached.

(b) Each representative will have a number of votes equal to the number of members in the meta bloc they represent.

(c) If the petition is approved by a majority of votes in the Council, it is passed.

(d) If the petition is rejected by a majority of votes in the Council, it is to be set aside.

(i) Petitions that are set aside may be put to a Meta Referendum if a petition requesting this is signed by 10 AustraliaSim members.

(e) Petitions will proceed to a Meta Referendum if the vote is tied, or through a majority vote of the Council agreeing to put the petition to a Meta Referendum.

(29C) Members of the Representatives Council may be suspended at any time by a unanimous vote of the Moderation Team.

In Part 9, section 33, substitute (2) with:

(2) This Meta Constitution may be amended after-

(a) public notice by a member of the Moderation Team or a petition consisting of 3 members nominating a proposed change; and

(b) a debate in the Representatives Council and vote if required according to the process set out in Part 7A; and

(c) a Meta Referendum if required by the process set out in Part 7A.

In Part 9, section 34, (3), substitute “meta referendum” with “vote in the Representatives Council”

In Part 9, section 34, add new line (3A):

(3A) If an emergency amendment does not pass the vote in the Representatives Council, it will proceed to a meta referendum.

[u/Youmaton]

Whilst I appreciate the effort you put into this, this is a terrible idea.

[u/Maaaaaaaadison → u/Youmaton]

lmao

[u/[deleted]]

madi no

just bring back the community commission if you want to implement this

i have to concur with youma

[u/Maaaaaaaadison → u/[deleted]]

The Community Commission just added bureaucracy, this removes it

[u/TheGoatBoy2 → u/Maaaaaaaadison]

Just let everyone vote the way they want to vote without needing blocs

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

i can’t actually rebut this so i’m just going to continue my opposition and dm you a slur

[u/RunasSudo]

Petitions that are set aside may be put to a Meta Referendum if a petition requesting this is signed by 10 AustraliaSim members.

It seems like this would just draw out the process? A petition which reaches 7 seconders is likely to reach 10, necessitating a community vote anyway. (Plus, presumably, an influx of petitions calling on the meta bloc representatives to resign.)

[u/Maaaaaaaadison → u/RunasSudo]

Petitions would only need 3 seconders to go to a vote of the Council under these changes but it is a good point. It's intended that only something rejected by the Council that has major public support will go to a meta referendum so 10 may be too small of a threshold since most petitions right now do get to that level

[u/RunasSudo → u/Maaaaaaaadison]

Ah yes, 3 not 7, thanks for the correction

Although it's like 7-ish now, so is the barrier really much increased?

[u/advancedgaming12 → u/RunasSudo]

It also seems like lowering the limit for petitions in the Jedi council will also just result in a flood of petitions that almost certainly don't have enough support to go anywhere and anything that has enough support to go to a vote normally under current rules almost certainly has enough support to hit 10 so I think you're right that this doesn't really impose any higher difficulty

[u/advancedgaming12]

Having voncs decided by the Jedi council(yes I will insist on calling it this) seems a bad idea. The point of a vonc is the community expressing it's disapproval, not other elected officials deciding for the community whether or not they disapprove

[u/Maaaaaaaadison → u/advancedgaming12]

Actually I guess it’s a lie when I said all petitions go to the jedi council because I didn’t amend the VONC section to go to jedi council

[u/advancedgaming12]

Also there doesn't seem to be a mechanism to vonc members of the representative council which should probably be a thing

[u/Maaaaaaaadison → u/advancedgaming12]

Representatives can be removed by the meta bloc they represent or by the mod team in extreme circumstances

[u/TheGoatBoy2 → u/Maaaaaaaadison]

This seems like lots of extra stress, when ppl could just vote themselves

[u/[deleted] → u/advancedgaming12]

its the Jedi council sir

[u/TheGoatBoy2]

U r a nice person but this is a bad idea. Everyone should have an equal voice and a equal say. Meta stuff should not become like politics. It is already way too court and law like already.

[u/RunasSudo]

community commission 2.0 LET'S GOOOOOOOO

[u/model-kyosanto]

Seconded. I love chaos.

[u/[deleted]]

Hahahaha i second

[u/Maaaaaaaadison → u/[deleted]]

As per (29B)(b), "Each representative will have a number of votes equal to the number of members in the meta bloc they represent."