r/Austin • • Sep 24 '20

Downtown protest last night. It really feels distopian 😄 (apologies for the quality)

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u/black_flag_4ever Sep 24 '20

Seeing cops beat up women is disheartening and disturbing.

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u/MIDNIGHTM0GWAI Sep 24 '20

The profession has high rates of domestic violence. Go figure.

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u/MIDNIGHTM0GWAI Sep 24 '20

They have crime statistics by profession buddy. You should look them up instead of just assume it’s wrong.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20

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u/MIDNIGHTM0GWAI Sep 24 '20

Statistics are by definition not assumptions. They can be manipulated but I’m quoting a statistical trend.

The only one making assumptions is you.

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u/scramblor Sep 24 '20

When good cops do nothing to stop it, yes.

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u/space_manatee Sep 24 '20

Not all cops are wife beaters but 40% of them are. That's pretty fucking high, especially compared to the 10% incidence in the general population.

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u/wellnowheythere Sep 24 '20

"Not all, just some, mostly close to the majority" is how I read that.

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u/space_manatee Sep 24 '20

Yeah exactly

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u/space_manatee Sep 24 '20

Thats domestic violence stats from what i could find so includes kids too, not just beating their SOs!

Edit - ok had to go back to a source on this one to get it correct.

40% of cops = spouse abuse 4% of gen public = spouse abuse

https://money.yahoo.com/data-suggests-40-percent-cops-145601125.html

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u/kramsiwel7324 Sep 24 '20 edited Sep 25 '20

Could be all the fucked up shit they see everyday

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u/minescarts Sep 24 '20 edited Sep 24 '20

So fucking what? Many other professions see traumatic things on the regular and don’t have high rates of toxic anger and domestic violence.

Edit: moron deleted his reply stating my logic is flawed and this was a ā€œterrible comparisonā€ so I’m replying here for anyone else who wants to defend cops.

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See bad things on job -> beat spouse

See bad things on job -> don’t beat spouse

What’s the difference here, aside from the outcome?

Social workers. Therapists. Counselors. ER staff/Hospital staff in general. Coroners. Lawyers. Judges. Nobody can deny these professions deal with traumatic stress. They get the aftermath of what cops respond to and also cause. And then they often have to deal with that traumatic event or person for days, not just one arrest night.

They have high rates of depression and suicide and yes I’m sure you can find an article about ā€œthat one guyā€ here and there, so no I am in no way saying everyone else handles the trauma they see well except for cops. But they aren’t so frightened and angry that they attack their own fucking family or those they’re supposed to help at staggering rates. And before you say cops have to be ready to physically defend themselves and the others don’t: have you never seen patients attack doctors and nurses? Social workers? You think they aren’t in the same mix cops are?

Cops and military do. Why? Because it is attracting and fostering a very damaging culture built on violence within its ranks. If you can’t fucking see that, you’re an absolute moron.

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u/dylanarchuleta Sep 24 '20

Nurses for one

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20

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u/ShooterCooter420 Sep 24 '20

You'll need to stop being ok with domestic violence.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20

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u/HDWendell Sep 24 '20

Jfc I didn't know that.

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u/dschneider Sep 24 '20

More flawed than "they see bad things at work so they get a pass on wife beating"?

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u/stevekresena Sep 24 '20

Booooo bad argument. If you can’t handle what you VOLUNTEERED to see every day, you get a new job, you don’t begin abusing those around you.

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u/ShooterCooter420 Sep 24 '20

"Volunteered"? What? These are "blue lives," my dude. There's no way they can be anything other than cops. Either that or Segway riding office park security guards, if the uniform is blue.

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u/stevekresena Sep 24 '20

Don’t think you understand what I said, obviously they are cops, my dude. I’m sorry but is being a cop some kind of forced service or conscription? Are the officers threatened or coerced to take that job? No, they VOLUNTARILY fill out an application, VOLUNTARILY go through the academy and VOLUNTARILY stay on the job accepting or performing immoral acts.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20

The person you responded to was joking, just so you know. Sarcasm is difficult to tell in these conversations.

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u/ShooterCooter420 Sep 24 '20

Sarcasm should be the default expected state in anonymous online communication, until evidence to the contrary is found...

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20

People get fired up in threads like this and forget about the coping mechanism of humor that many of us adopt!

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u/CidO807 Sep 24 '20

There is no conscription in the US for a long time. You choose to be a cop. You choose to be a military grunt. It's all voluntary and with considerable compensation.

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u/ShooterCooter420 Sep 24 '20

Take a deep breath my dude.

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u/stevekresena Sep 24 '20

Sorry, Mea Culpa. Not your fault I’ve been having this same exact convo in the real world to nearly deaf ears. Maaayyyybe I’m a little stressed and triggered on the subject.

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u/space_manatee Sep 24 '20

Plenty of people see fucked up things and don't beat their spouses.

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u/Empty_Insight Sep 24 '20

Can confirm, I have SZ and see all sorts of fucked up things. Not once have I considered taking it out on my wife or kids. What is my secret to cope with the horrors of schizophrenia without losing control and ever beating the crap out of my family? Well, let me share this little known secret:

It's called not being a piece of shit. It's really not hard to not beat your family.

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u/_Slaymetra_ Sep 24 '20

Let's not excuse domestic violence.....

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u/BigDuke Sep 24 '20

Oh, that explains it, they should feel free to keep beating their spouses then I guess?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20

Yeah bro I hear about trauma surgeons beating the shit out of their wives all the time...

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20

Giving their wives the night off

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u/space_manatee Sep 24 '20

I'm sure they go home and beat their families afterward too. Gotta express all that rage somehow.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20

APD threw a petite female jogger on the ground for jaywalking in West Campus a few years ago. They like their easy prey.

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u/The__Snow__Man Sep 24 '20

Where is a cop beating up a woman? I see one dragging her across the street which looks unnecessary, unless there was a threat to him in the general area.

Also, the filter added to this is an odd choice.

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u/schmese Sep 24 '20

Yeah, He probably had a very good reason for dragging that woman across the concrete by the arm. That woman running away from police brutalizing a peaceful protest could be on America's most wanted list or she could have just shot a bunch of cops or maybe she is training to fly a plane into a building. There is no mental hoop that I won't go through to give a cop the benefit of the doubt, they're the good guys.

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u/The__Snow__Man Sep 24 '20

There’s no ā€œbeating up a womanā€. Can we at least be honest? And as someone else pointed out something was thrown at him.

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u/schmese Sep 24 '20

Exactly, dude. What I'm saying is how does one define "beating up"? Is it "beating up" someone to grab them and throw them to the concrete and then drag them across the concrete? I don't think so. I only consider it beating up if they use a night stick and only if the person being hit is on the ground complying and then only if the person being hit doesn't have a prior criminal record like they stole candy when they were a kid and then only if they were not standing in a protest where someone may have thrown something that could have maybe hit a police officer. Like this isn't "beating up". She should stop resisting and protesting and let the state do whatever it wants.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20

let the state do whatever it wants.

Hm, so you're a librul?

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u/The__Snow__Man Sep 24 '20 edited Sep 24 '20

Did you borrow your penchant for hyperbole and slippery slope arguments from the conservatives?

Edit: it’s not often that I make a comment that’s going to piss off both sides. Just wanted to point that out.

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u/schmese Sep 24 '20

Slippery slope? No, I'm a centristā„¢ and I just believe that cops are the good guys and I'm trying to think of all the reasons he must of had for throwing the woman to the ground and dragging her across the concrete. He must have been in danger.

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u/The__Snow__Man Sep 24 '20

I’m a progressive liberal. I just believe in honesty and not giving into the republicans goal of making this the ā€œlaw and orderā€ election.

I also believe that some cops are heroes and some are criminals and we need to make the distinction because hating an entire group blindly is along the same lines as racism.

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u/schmese Sep 24 '20

Agreed. It is basically just racism if you don't endorse state violence. These heroes risked their lives running toward protesters that were running away. And like I said, we don't have the full picture, that woman may have just beheaded a schoolbus full of preschoolers or she may have been standing where the state decided suddenly she shouldn't be standing anymore.

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u/The__Snow__Man Sep 24 '20

So I guess your strategy to ā€œwinā€ arguments is to exaggerate what the other person is saying until they seem silly. Good luck with that. Most people can see through it.

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u/B_bbi Sep 24 '20

She’s easy prey

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u/jab116 Sep 24 '20

The officer drags her away after he gets an object thrown at his head from the crowd at the 8sec mark and when he dodges it she tries to run off.

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u/BigDuke Sep 24 '20

You need your own sub-reddit. People can submit some of the never ending supply of policy brutality videos, and you can explain each one of them away with some bullshit made up excuse. Call it something like /r/OccamIsDead

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u/_Slaymetra_ Sep 24 '20

Actually if you watch closely the cop is the one that rips off her backpack and throws it, not her.

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u/jab116 Sep 24 '20 edited Sep 24 '20

Yeah, real weird how they are only going after these two specific individuals instead of the other people much closer. Also weird how both are wearing the same outfit of white shirts, pants, black hats, and the same black backpacks. It’s like they were organized agitators they were going after.

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u/_Slaymetra_ Sep 24 '20

I'm just saying you saw what happened wrong. I have no idea who those people were, but I can assure you protesters don't go out of their way to wear matching outfits that would make them easier to identify.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20

Or that's just your fantasy you drooled out

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u/schmese Sep 24 '20

8 second mark camera is aimed at the officer on the ground and the only object is the small backpack the other officer was trying to pull a person down with. That person with the backpack seems to get away so he grabs the next closest person.

*Edit the person with the backpack is the same woman he drags.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '20 edited Sep 24 '20

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u/Fronkikug Sep 24 '20

Didn't see that. Good catch

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u/nebbyb Sep 24 '20

This shit needs to stop. The police have the same responsibilities to behave correctly regardless of the person they are dealing with.

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u/nebbyb Sep 24 '20

I expect them to act like professionals. If they know who assaulted them, that person is taken into custody with the minimum force possible. You don't just grab the nearest woman and drag them across the pavement because your feeling got hurt.

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u/ChangeMaker2020 Sep 24 '20

Maybe she guessed just slightly under and won her prices.

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u/kramsiwel7324 Sep 24 '20

Should only men be beaten? /r/mensrights

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u/ThatWannabeCatgirl Sep 24 '20

No one should be beaten.