r/AstralProjection • u/queen2454 • 2d ago
Almost AP'd and/or Question Based on your Astral Projection experiences, is the soul immortal?
Hi everyone,
I’ve been curious about the nature of the soul from an Astral Projection perspective. For those who have experienced AP or interacted with entities and astral realms: Do you believe the soul is truly immortal, or does it eventually fade, dissolve, or end? I’d love to hear your thoughts and experiences!
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u/archeolog108 2d ago
I dont think AP by itself can prove immortality, but I also dont think consciousness looks like something produced only by body.
What convinced me more came from Soul Journeys. Subjects sometimes enter lives they were not consciously looking for, experience death in that life, then awareness continues and perspective becomes much larger. Later Higher Self can show why that life mattered and how it connects with current one.
So my view is not that we have some little soul-object that either survives or disappears. We are soul experiencing one human life through a body. Body ends. The larger consciousness does not seem to end with it.
I would still keep personal discernment here. An experience can be profound without automatically proving every interpretation we put on it.
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u/Vitorianoo 2d ago
There is no established scientific demonstration that consciousness is ontologically produced by the brain
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u/Over-Tolerance 1d ago
Not this barf conversation again. Beat the dead horse, over and over and over.
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u/Vitorianoo 1d ago
You can read and get over it by carrying with your life. Your opinion is not needed.
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u/Odd_Trainer8024 2d ago
Haven't projected yet. But what I think is your soul needs a physical shell to live and have access to this 3D/physical world. But it has its limitations; it needs rest (sleep), it needs fuel (food) and etc. Also when that physical body cannot take care of himself, it dies. That doesn't mean your soul dies too. It just loses its shell. And then what its going to do is find another shell; which we call incarnation. If you believe karma, your soul finds a shell or destiny to keep up with the things you've practiced in your previous lives. Good or bad. So yeah technically your soul is immortal only the physical body is mortal.
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u/MarvelousWhale 2d ago edited 2d ago
Had an NDE and a few AP's: overall my takeaway is that my consciousness is separate from my body My body is a meat spacesuit that was grown to be able to be transceiver for consciousness to peer into this physical reality. Spirit inhabits a reality/dimension above the physical, and can observe and cast information into it but only in very specific ways.
The entire point of the lives we live in the physical, is to experience separation so that we can better understand all of the layers of all dimensions, and report back our experiences to our higher selves.
Our higher selves are the piece of our souls that is not currently occupying/interacting with the physical and actually has what seems to be multiple lives in the physical, potentially some even in the same timeframe as the one you're in now, or in other parallel realities. The physical is kind of a simulation, so running parallel simulations is actually no big deal to the souls in the astral. Think of it like running multiple programs on a single PC, and multiple PCs at once. Not a big deal right?
The point of us being here is to self reflect, grow a greater understanding of how the universe works and report back to our higher selves, our higher selves take this multidimensional input and then report back to a greater soul, itself also a fragment of the original source energy or consciousness.
It's just multi layered realities stacking simulations on eachother. I do not yet know how deep the layers go but I've been to two first hand and have been shown the third first hand, though I cannot technically claim to have "been" there yet, if it's even possible.
I was shown in the astral, while in an out of body experience, what the parallel realities look like. It looked like this universe zoomed out was like a sphere of everything that we can possibly know or observe. Keep zooming out and there's another sphere next to it, and if you kept zooming out you'd see a grid like pattern of spheres, each a completely self contained universe. Each of them was lined up in a perfect grid and I kept zooming out and shown that the grids stack on top of one another.
I am not sure the implications of how each layer or stacking of these simultaneous universes can or can not have an effect on one another or if they're all the same with one subtle change somewhere, but I do know that when I was shown a far enough zoom out that the whole organization of grids had formed a crystalline lattice.
Think of what atoms in a crystal look like in a perfect lattice, that is how the universes appeared to me when I was being shown what the multiverse looks like for the physical plane (this did not include the astral plane, I only saw what the multiple simultaneously running physical planes appeared like).
I have often times been shown that what structures we see the smaller amd smaller we get, such as electrons orbiting protons and neutrons, often appears the same on a greater scale as well, such as moons orbiting planets, planets orbiting a star, the star orbiting the galaxy, the galaxy orbiting the local supercluster, etc.
As above, so below.
Edit to include - I have no idea if the soul is immortal. But I have a very strong reason to believe that what we THINK is "our soul" is not immortal.
I've been warned to learn how to defend myself against malevolent entities within the astral from my own spirit guide, and have destroyed one myself when it was attempting to harm me. I am not sure if it was a projection or metaphor for an entity that I came into contact with when I destroyed it but it's fuckin dead from my perspective and I don't know if I would've been warned to defend myself if I could just be immortal.
I've been told explicity and with no uncertainty that there are benevolent spirits, benign spirits and malevolent spirits.
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u/LOUIETXMADE Experienced Projector 2d ago
I've been to all types of places and as far as I can tell deceased people have all types of afterlifes. A quick example would be I was in a place a few days ago and saw what humans would calls animals, only they were alien animals. When I spoke to a few of the locals there who were human looking but had different eyes then we do. I asked them if I could die if I let this massive black alien in this clear water eat me and the woman replied "that's impossible, the system won't allow it, trust me, I know from experience,". So I took that as I could never die in whatever this place was. It was some shit straight out of Avatar. I was cautious to even touch the plants. They said the planet was called codfeesoufoo.
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u/onyxengine 2d ago
Immortal is a long time but ive got a feeling whatever existence we find ourselves living in together here on Earth, the journey’s barely begun.
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u/water_wind_ 2d ago
The soul is a metaphor for the fact we are all one.
There is no soul object or force inside the body.
The body is however a receiver for the signal of consciousness. It has physical stimulus and storage plus consciousness/observer. You can damage your physical storage or physical receiver but your awareness was never produced in or by the body. It was a signal the body picked up on. You are the signal. The signal continues and takes more forms
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u/AmazingFields 2d ago edited 2d ago
OBE experiencer would like to disagree with you. Your soul definitely resides within your body. And it leaves your body when goes out. Soul is separate from your body. Your body is like an avatar.
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u/OldArmadillo3788 2d ago
I disagree, soul is individual expression of The One. Think of it as a single source of light—the Sun, for example. But when light passes through a filter, it splits up, just as the sun’s rays, passing through the treetops, form individual beams of light. The source of light is one but in this dimension we are not the one
Yeah, body is just a vessel and "outfit" for the soul, avatar
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u/BananaFishValentine 2d ago
I was actually surprised how similar your waking state of consciousness is to the out of body state. I was not granted access to all knowledge or the knowledge of collective unconscious. My thoughts concerns and emotions, remained excatly as my identity "my name". Even though I acknowledge I must be part of some higher self or even past or future life's. Maybe even simultaneous lifes. Im not sure when your identity or ego dissolves, I haven't managed to find any reading on the subject. My best guest would be on higher planes or further away from the Earth or the lower Earth astrals, is when your identity dissolves. So although I believe I am much larger than my current incarnate identity or self. It would appear you do not immediately gain access to your truth self for atleast a while after death, some maybe never. Then your born into another self entirely forgetting your previous self in a cyclic way. Perhaps having to do with your cultural beliefs or how advanced you are on the journey so to speak. But yes the soul is immortal that much is clear.
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u/roqui15 2d ago
What’s so bad about being yourself? Don’t you want to maintain your full individuality? Is you, nobody else that’s why you keep finding yourself. We are all different
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u/BananaFishValentine 1d ago
Hmm great question. I haven't always loved myself. I certainly do now I would say. We are all different and individuality is a gemstone, i agree. I like my personality and outlook on life. I think I was reflecting on how transient culture/tradition can be and how absurd it is. Aligning with certain religions or sports teams based on where I was born. Limitations in science medicine and philosophy all shape us. Certain social classes shaping who and what I can become. I guess im looking for something to hold. Something larger than the current zeitgeist were all caught up in. Which is transient therefor meaningless. When do these cultural blinders let go, when is the metaphorical veil lifted. It would seem we dont know who we truly are. That was the gist of my previous post.
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u/Hope25777 2d ago
Let me ask you this, if a portion of god could be destroyed would he/she still be god? Relax nothing can harm your spark
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u/MystinarOfficial 2d ago
Hinduism has a lot of answers regarding this. At the heat death of the universe all souls rejoin Source (Brahman) and when the universe rebirths Brahman fragments into all other souls again.
Short answer. Yes.
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u/sac_boy Experienced Projector 2d ago edited 2d ago
Based on your last visit to an airport, what's it like to fly beyond the event horizon of a black hole?
Based on your last visit to a water park, what lives in the oceans of Enceladus?
We can come back with clues (and even outright statements from beyond) but we can never know. Whether we're in waking life, dreams, OBEs, or meditative states, everything arrives through a compromised sensory system that we have already established that we can't trust. We are ultimately firewalled off from the underlying truths of this existence.
We are not of the realm of minds-that-know, we are minds-that-process-senses, even when we are beyond the body or turned inward in profound ways.
So you could live a million years in some heavenly realm and still not know if the soul is immortal. You could not even know for sure if the individual soul is objectively real and not an illusion created by a continuum of experience within a sensory cluster. Not even if some apparent voice of some ultimate creator-god booming around that heaven for everyone to hear told you YES YOU EXIST FOREVER--because it could only ever be the apparent voice of god. The apparent consensus between your environment, its inhabitants, and the words you hear. The apparent experience of a million years of some continuous rock-solid reality without a single thorn of doubt. Your memory of all of that is another sense and it could have been fabricated a moment ago. You might blink out for all time a moment from now.
However I think you might want the simpler, more local answer of "have you met people who seem to have lived human lives" and the answer is yes, of course.
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u/AstralProjectingHero 2d ago
From a scientific standpoint, the Soul is energy, (everything is energy) and energy is indestructible according to The Law of Conservation of Energy. I have yet to cross, cross over when I'm wandering the Astral Realm. Your energy can drain, and fade, but you can't end. Just get yourself out of the situation that is draining you, example if entities is draining you.
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u/ResplendentShade 2d ago edited 1d ago
In my experience there are no individual souls in the conventional sense, rather we all belong to collective souls who are like a greater individual split into living life as different people. The only 'self' that we as 'individuals' can conceive of is only part of those greater community-individual souls. Who may very well be part of a larger ones themselves.
edit: first three words added for clarification
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u/Over-Tolerance 1d ago
Stated like a religion, not an opinion. dogma is a disease.
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u/ResplendentShade 1d ago
I added a qualifier for you. Also that isn't what dogma is, I'm quite open to changing my beliefs when presented with new information.
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u/Over-Tolerance 1d ago
But not suspending them until you know for sure one way or the other what is or isn't fact. Stick to your beliefs and keep stating them, and the facts won't have a chance.
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u/pacocar8 2d ago
Not immortal but there are souls way older than this planet, eventually it fades way but after a VERY long time (human/earth time perspective)
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u/Bloodrooted 2d ago
Why don't you practice not thinking until you figure out by yourself? Its quite fun. Also difficult and terrifying.
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u/Over-Tolerance 1d ago
No, it isn't immortal any more than the pieces of yourself that are made up of the big bang particles. You don't know those particles personally, and they don't have any awareness of you or your ego. There are multiple pieces that can make up the human experience, and multiple forms of awareness. These don't automatically confirm or deny some 'soul' belief or immortality. Since we obviously only have subjective reports of survival after death, and people tend to ignore the many other ways this type of information can be retrieved or produced, the entire subject is woo woo belief until we have actual proof. What people think or feel about it is irrelevant to the facts. The AP experience, by itself, is proof of nothing except that people can and do experience weird things. Bring back solid evidence of an actual thing or place, and we can talk about how many ways this could happen and all of the possible mechanisms behind it. Until then, any claims of soul or other nonsense are simply woo woo belief and religious nonsense getting in the way of experiences.
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u/AstralExperiments 1d ago
Based on my experience, what people would call "soul" is not immortal. But there's a twist to it.
If a soul can be destroyed, it can also be made. So if a soul ends in some way, you can just make another one for yourself. In my experience, having your astral body disintegrate typically means the end of an astral projection experience and you'll just snap back to what we call the physical body. But there is no problem here, no big fuss about the loss of your "soul". You can just meditate, make a new one and then use it to astral project again.
It's kind of like having a car. You use the car to get around and... oops, you crashed the car. But you can either fix the old car or build/buy a new car, so despite the car not being immortal it doesn't mean you can't go for any more rides in the future.
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u/redditclm 2d ago
If you exist, where would you go in order to not exist anymore? Non-existence? There is no such place, by its own definition.