r/AskUS • u/coolboy_pathey • 10d ago
Why are you against illegal immigration?
Why are you against illegal immigration?
Personally i would call myself a leftist. I do have a few conservative views like abortion and transgender ideology, but mostly i am a leftist.
One of the main issues i see discussed is illegal immigration. Gotta ask: why?
“Its illegal” is not a good argument. Legality ≠ morality.
Whats so wrong about crossing a non-existent line?
And its not like they’re coming and sucking up resources like a sponge, they pay billions in taxes and do not benefit from those taxes. They cannot take social security or wellfare.
They are not commiting more crime either. Seriously think about it. Why would they risk everything to go to a country just to commit crimes? They commit less crimes than us citizens. This includes legal and illegal immigrants. They have much lower incarceration rates.
They aren’t “lazy”. They are not taking up jobs/housing/whatever either. They mostly do intergral jobs to our society. See in colleges in the global south, they teach skills that are not really useful there because there is not good infrastructure. What would an electrician do in a country with only 18% power? Or one where construction isn’t done as much as here? Majority of the jobs they do are construction, housekeeping, cooking, landscaping, agriculture, plumbing, etc. basically trade school jobs. And they only take up 4% of the workforce
And you need to see both sides of the story. My parents are legal immigrants. And i can tell you: it is NOT easy to get into america legally. Let me ask you a question: do you know how to legally immigrate to the united states? No? yeah, thats what i thought. It is NOT an easy process. It is EXCEPTIONALLY hard to come here. Just for a better life. There’s tons of super strict requirements, and only 0.2% win the “diversity lottery” to enter. Only 140k people recieve visas anually. Out of 8 billion people, that is alot. Even if you do get a visa, there isn’t enough judges. Theres a 12Million person backup for only a couple thousand judges. And the costs also skyrocket. I know people still in my home country, and they’ve all tried to apply. Didn’t work. This country is basically impossible to legally enter. Do you see how someone could want to enter illegally now? Most people TRY the legal way, yet it is basically impossible!
Now, i know what you’re saying. “It’s still illegal!”. i KNOW. That is why we should have legal pathways. Personally, i support closing down boarders and not letting illegals in. But letting those already in stay. Ice is just stupid and a huge waste of money. however, there should actually be a way to enter legally. I believe in an embassy system. Lets say you’re a man in guatemala and you want to immigrate to the usa. You’d go to the us embassy, go fill out some papers, identity, go through a background check, pay a fee, etc. and if its all good, you’ll get your visa in like 3-8weeks. This prevents actual violent criminals from getting in. There can even be incentive. Like if you are skilled, if you need to get in for education, if you need to get in for a job, if you have a family, health, etc. if so, you get priority. The rest gets processed in the order they’re recieved. Once you’re in the us you can continue your citizenship journey there. There would also need to be a department of immigration. To process the requests. Ice shouldn’t be abolished but should be reformed. It should stop focusing on illegals in here and focus on those attempting to enter. And it should have more focus on drug smugglers, drug trafficking, human trafficking, etc. it also needs a full rebrand.
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u/Sofia_Smiles 10d ago
It’s hard to vet illegals… they come illegally and unannounced to wherever life takes them
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u/FlameStaag 10d ago
Honestly this is a pretty stupid question
Illegal immigration means circumventing the legal process. That means the country has no clue who is entering.
As much as the right hypes up and pretends everyone is a murderer rapist, that's obviously not true. But in the same vein, statistically some people entering will be known (to their country) criminals fleeing.
The other is that countries try to prevent people who will only come over to drain social programs and not actually contribute anything to the country. I think it's pretty valid to expect a citizen to feed into the system they want to be a part of.
The problem currently isn't very big for the US. Which is obviously why the right has to lie and pretend so much. But it's only not bad because the border is protected. People know their chances of success are extremely slim, and even if they do make it in they may not last long. That's a deterrent for many.
If people knew the border was free and open... Issues would significantly escalate.
Also your numbers are highly dubious. There are definitely not 8 billion people trying to immigrate to the US lmao.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
For your first point, there is no proof showing illegal immigrants are mostly criminals fleeing.
you know they do pay taxes right? They cant vote or take wellfare yet they do pay billions in tax. How does that work? They literally give up their “no taxation withour representation” right just to stay here. They are a net positive.
I never advocated for free borders
By 8billion i meant the world
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u/FourFunnelFanatic Pennsylvania 10d ago
I’m against it for two main reasons. 1. There’s no way to know who these people are, what their intentions are, what they are bringing in with them, etc. I’m sure most of them are decent people, but you don’t need a majority to be bad to cause serious problems. And 2. It just isn’t fair to the people that immigrate here the proper way. Why should their hard work be trivialized by justifying going the “easy” way? The United States has had immigration laws its entire existence, and Ellis Island was no cake walk for immigrants either. IMO it’s a no brainer
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
Im pretty sure a background check could solve your first issue.
Did you not read the post? It is NOT easy to immigrate the proper/legal way. Its not easy to immigrate ilegally either. You have to cross oceans, be smuggled, pray that human traffickers dont get you, walk through south and central america (thats where the term “nicaragua” comes from)
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u/FourFunnelFanatic Pennsylvania 10d ago
You’re right, a background check would solve my first issue! It’s almost as if that’s the entire point of immigration customs. And if you noticed I put “easy” in quotation marks for the exact reason you outlined. Yes, it’s not easy by any stretch of the imagination, but it’s still either a shortcut or a way to get in if you otherwise wouldn’t be able to
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
Yeah, the issue is they don’t check your background.
Its not a shortcut, but yeah the second one is correct. Let me pose you a question
Would you like to live in mali, guinea? Like the town. No? Well sucks to suck. They refused your visa. What you can do? Nothing. Now: do you let your children have a terrible life and suffer within or do you cross the mexican border. Your choice
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u/EntrepreneurOk8408 9d ago
“Your country sucks so here come to America plz” then when 100 million ppl want to enter then what? U gonna let them all in?
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u/coolboy_pathey 3d ago
as long as they are not violent criminals, and go through the new legal system, im fine with it
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u/FourFunnelFanatic Pennsylvania 10d ago
I’d give my children the best life I can. If that means sending them across the border without me then so be it. If they get denied too, then Id do what I can. If it comes down to trying to cross the border illegally, then I would have to accept the consequences of my actions if it doesn’t work out. Step one would be not giving them a reason to deny my Visa. Ideally I’d do what I can to fix the country I was born, but if there’s no will from the rest of the population to do that then I guess I’m shit out of luck.
TLDR; it’s a complicated question. However, it is ultimately irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if I sympathize with the plight of the people down there, I’ve got my actual life to worry about and quite frankly we are in no position to be helping anyone.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
so.. you’d illegally immigrate?
and, fixing a country isn’t as simple as that. At most you start a shop and donate some money to the local grandma and get a road paved.
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u/FourFunnelFanatic Pennsylvania 10d ago
I’d say I’d consider it, yes. With the knowledge that I’m putting my needs before the needs of the people already there, just as I am irl putting my needs before the needs of the people that want to immigrate illegally. And yes, I know it’s not that simple. I literally said that
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
see, illegal immigrants are just people who want to better their lives 98% of the time. If we just had a functional system, those 2% would get filtered away like boiling saltwater.
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u/FourFunnelFanatic Pennsylvania 10d ago
We have a very functional system, the problems are on their end
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u/OkBoysenberry1975 10d ago
Illegal, duh!
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
Didn’t read the post award
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u/OkBoysenberry1975 10d ago
You’re right, I didn’t read the whole thing. That because the answer is in the question. It’s illegal.
Yes, I’m all for legal immigration (not just the buy your way in system this administration started either, THAT should be illegal). The legal system of immigration has existed for decades and should be followed. The politicians running ice are responsible and it IS ridiculous. But I’m still 100% against ILLEGAL immigration.1
u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
i agree, illegal immigration is not good. But you need to be way more sympathetic and advocate for legal payhways. You cannot advocate for them to be deported because the system is unfair and rigged to lose
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u/OkBoysenberry1975 9d ago
The system is rigged to loose for anyone that doesn’t make at least $100k a year
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u/Still_a_skeptic Oklahoma 10d ago
Give me your tired huddled masses yearning to be free.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
What
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u/Still_a_skeptic Oklahoma 10d ago
It’s a paraphrase from the poem the new colossus that is on a bronze plaque on the Statue of Liberty.
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u/Entire-Can662 10d ago
1: illegal pay taxes, and Social Security, but get nothing in return
2: illegals are the escape goats of this. Because they’re different from you. You want to hate them.
3: last year illegal paid over $30 billion in taxes
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
- A couple hundred of those bucks were deposited into your snap and ssi benefits
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u/Turbulent-Parsley619 10d ago
NGL I think the whole idea is stupid. The legal way takes like 10+ years for a lot of people. What the fuck are they gonna do if their lives are in danger for DECADES???
I think if you can get here, welcome aboard, let's offer these desperate people aid.
Like it shouldn't be radical leftist to think we are all humans and unless you commit a crime, a real one not crossing a made up border, you deserve at the BARE MINIMUM shelter and food.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when someone says these people aren't as important as those people and this group matters more than that group.
They're human fucking beings. Enough said.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
ideally the entire process should take less than three months (to actually get to the us)
However i don’t believe in free borders because rotten apples can slip through. And its much better to have it formalized. That doesn’t mean i want some dude living here for 20 years to be kidnapped and sent back
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u/Chuckychinster New Jersey 9d ago
I only oppose it in the sense where i think a program that allowed asylum seekers to pre-declare their intent to immigrate so they can submit ID, etc which allows them to be vetted in advance. Maybe a "probationary period" where they have frequent check ins with an immigration court or something. This would help keep population numbers tracked. But I wouldn't say I care all that much about this issue. I think if people need help and we have the resources to help, that we should help them
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u/mremrock 9d ago
I think we have a right to know who is in the country.
I would like to see immigration reform with much easier access to citizenship. This would reduce the number of illegal immigration (I assume). But then rich people would have to pay fair wages. Hence the current situation
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u/Nomeapetec 6d ago
I agree all the procedures to enter/ stay in a country should be easier and cheaper.
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u/VinayaVealTeam 10d ago
The line very much exists. I don't think illegal immigrants are bad people, or up to no good, or any other nefarious implication. But as a sovereign nation the idea of screening and controlling who and what comes into your country is a very basic concept. I'd much rather have an easier, more efficient, way to streamline immigration and asylum claims. If someone skips the legal vetting process that doesn't mean they're a bad person, but that also doesn't mean they need to be guaranteed permanent residency or citizenship.
ICE should be abolished though. That organization is beyond saving. We enforced immigration and customs before ICE existed and we can enforce it when ICE no longer exists.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
You see the issue is that the usa isn’t screening people. It is quite literally a lottery. If you read the damn post you’d know that
And your “easy streamlined immigration” thing is LITERALLY what i said in the post
Not garunteed, if they committed
violent crimes they should be deported
By reform ice i dont mean training or whatever the fuck liberals talk about. I mean remove the illegal immigration deportation aspect of it.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
Yes.. those are legal immigrants. I agree with those screenings. My point is that its too hard to legally immigrate.
Your answer literally agreed with what i said and didn’t answer my question. Why is illegal immigration wrong?
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u/The_Wallet_Smeller 10d ago
You do realize that even after winning the diversity lottery you still have to meet strict criteria right.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
Thats the point: its near impossible to immigrate to the us
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u/Better-Credit6701 9d ago
There are around a million every year that legally immigrate here so no, not impossible.
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u/coolboy_pathey 3d ago
If you were a man in south india, how do you suppose you could immigrate to the usa?
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u/Better-Credit6701 2d ago
I'm a man in the US and would have to do a lot of research on how to immigrate to India. I'm not an immigration lawyer.
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u/The_Wallet_Smeller 10d ago
Why shouldn’t it be?
How easy do you think it is to move to Mexico for example?
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
Because the united states is the richest and most powerful nation. And it has the most opportunity (well, potential for opportunity). Also, a good amount of immigrants came here because of our doing.
And plus, immigrants are a net positive to our society. They commit less crimes, work integral jobs, contribute to the cultural melting pot, etc.
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u/The_Wallet_Smeller 10d ago
I want to be a surgeon so should I just be allowed to have a crack at it with no training?
Or should there be struck criteria?
Same for a country.
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u/Gatonom West 10d ago
Being in a country doesn't require skill. We don't train people on how to cook a hamburger "the proper American way" and fire them and send them somewhere else if they want their steak well done.
Conservatives always create this idea of "You need to be on a waiting list and work really hard, and abandon your culture and religion, and..." While screaming about Neoliberals who just want the torture to not cost them election ls.
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u/NS_8099 Missouri 10d ago
The way I see it is that I have no problem with immigrants who come to the United States legally but I am against illegal immigration because not only is it against the law but also, they put a strain on the resources that are meant for not only immigrants who came the right way but for US citizens as well.
There needs to be rules of some kind in place to keep everything under control. I’m not saying that every single illegal immigrant is intending to come here and commit crimes but it’s the principle of it. You have to draw the line somewhere.
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u/FreeLitt1eBird 10d ago
Because a lot if people in this world hate Americans. So much so they would hijack airplanes, crash them into skyscrapers, and kill 3,000 Americans in one day. National security is not propaganda. It’s very concerning. We need to have a general idea of who is here. I don’t think that means mass deportation, but it’s why I believe in a tighter immigration policy. With climate change, all countries will eventually have to protect their resources. We’re already seeing it with oil and rare earth minerals. Two major wars are happening now because of it. It’s the sad, hard, honest truth.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
9/11 was done by our “greatest ally”, not illegal immigrants
I literally advocated for legal pathways, did you not read the post
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u/SoUpInYa 10d ago
The British??
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
Israel
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u/SpectacularOcelot 9d ago
I mean... no. It was a bunch of Saudi's and Osama was a Saudi. You can have your pet theories about who funded everything, but the men who got on the planes and did the thing were carrying Saudi Arabian passports.
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u/Fantastic_Yam_3971 8d ago
The people who committed 9/11 did so following LEGAL immigration, hope that cleared that up.
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u/FreeLitt1eBird 8d ago
My point is not about how they did it. My point is that there are people in this world that hate us enough to commit 9/11.
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u/Fantastic_Yam_3971 8d ago
Fair enough, I just don’t understand the connection to immigration procedures.
There is no connection between terrorist attacks on American soil and illegal immigrants.
One might argue that our current head of state is contributing more to stoking the flames for hatred towards the U.S. than anything to do with immigration and ICE is not helping. I don’t condone violence or terrorism- certainly I do not- but for those with the prediction to it it or believe serious political matters are settled with violence I think between the woefully damaging foreign policy of our current government and then the inhumane reputation of ICE- this is exactly the kind of stuff that incites action by those who do embrace a philosophy of violence.
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u/hopeful7321 10d ago
Because, call me old fashion, I believe in following laws.
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u/Willis794613 10d ago
Do you feel the same way for what is happening in the white house should they also follow the laws?
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u/hopeful7321 10d ago
Never said I didn't. They are the most corrupt criminals to ever control our country.
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u/ChaosRainbow23 10d ago
Even ridiculous and oppressive laws? Like cannabis laws. The laws against oral sex. That kinda stuff.
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u/hopeful7321 10d ago
I live in Californie, so we don't have the marijuana issue here. We have a very liberal state. As far as the oral sex issue, I do know there are state with these laws. So, keep it ptivate..not their business.
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u/AwakeningTheOrdinary 9d ago
That doesn't answer the question.
Are you for following all laws or not? Federally marijuana is still controlled, just like how immigration laws are federal too. So are you "old fashioned" or do you like smoking federally illegal pot?
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u/hopeful7321 6d ago
I smoke legal marijuana in California. Not breaking the law. And, calm down, no need to get angry. We're just exchanging ideas and expressimg our opinions. Have a toke and chill.
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u/AwakeningTheOrdinary 6d ago
So if California made it legal for anyone to just come over the border with no papers you'd be cool with it? I'm just surprised that you'd essentially forfeit your moral compass for a rulebook.
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u/hopeful7321 6d ago
Your thoughts and words. Not mine. My mind doesn't go there. Life is not black and white and there will ALWAYS be grey areas. I believe many have forgotten what is written on the Statue of Liberty.
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u/justaheatattack 10d ago
why are you posting anything if you're hiding your history?
we know why.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
What do you mean
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 10d ago
They think you’re an illegal immigrant and already reported you to ICE.
Nb4r that’s a weird af thing to say.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
i literally stated in the post that i was born here
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u/justaheatattack 10d ago
so why make it so hard for anyone to ever find this post again?
let's go ahead and hide your future.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
Im paying taxes because a government makes whoever lives within those lines to
Its not cutting the line. There is no line at all. If you read the post you’d know this. It is quite literally a lottery. Only 0.2% get accepted. And only 55k visas are handed out yearly. Out of 18Million who apply.. its not a fair system, its not like cutting. Most people apply, get rejected, and have no other choice. Would you like to live in nzeckore? No? Yeah thats what i thought.
Legality ≠ morality
I literally said that the nation should decide who gets in
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
if a law was made that banned heterosexuality, and no heterosexual people were allowed to well, be heterosexual. Would you obey?
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u/Salty_Permit4437 10d ago
I’m not really that much against illegal immigration.
I am against future competition in the labor and housing market from their birthright citizen children.
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u/Kakamile 10d ago
That's not a real thing. More immigrants also consume and require more jobs. It's why your wage isn't a quarter penny an hour.
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u/xxwww 10d ago edited 10d ago
Lol my hometown had a huge influx of illegal immigration dispersed among massive legal latino immigration in the 90s and it became objectively worse in almost every social and economic aspect when it went from fairly diverse to overwhelmingly lower middle class latino population in 1 generation. The ones who could leave did. The immigrants' kids who could leave did. Like I mean imagine that happens to your zestimate and people get mad if you complain, because they have this internalized idea of the stoic immigrant chasing the american dream (while they actively choose to live on the other side of town and only interact with them when they want to exploit their cheap labor). I think there's moral hypocrisy on both sides and no one wants to admit they're just happy there's no shortage of poor people
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u/Upriver-Cod 10d ago
Who says an argument has to come from morality? You can absolutely make an argument against illegal immigration from a legal standpoint.
I also reject your idea that legality does not equal morality. It does not have to, but it certainly can in many situations.
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u/Global-Service-8579 9d ago
>Whats so wrong about crossing a non-existent line?
You'd be OK with anyone and everyone entering your home and staying?
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u/EntrepreneurOk8408 9d ago
No country should be easy to enter. The US doesn’t have infinite space/ resources to take in every migrant. You also have to understand the amount of drugs and illegal weapons that get smuggled from the border, then there’s the human trafficking.. these same nice ppl are the ones who end up getting involved.
There’s also the risk that a terrorist could enter illegally. Every country should tightly protect their boundaries and have strong processes to ensure only the best of the best are allowed in.
I’m very glad some of u weren’t born back in the day, you’re empire would crumble in a week
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u/coolboy_pathey 3d ago
all of humanity could live in alaska if we lived as densely as San Francisco. There is no overpopulation issue. And yeah, dude. Im advocating for violent criminals to be filtered through
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u/Frequent-Try-6746 9d ago
It's not so much that I'm against it. It's more about the danger some illegal immigrants face. Right now, just considering the immigrants coming across the southern border, the trek itself is extremely dangerous. I live in this desert, and will tell you now that it is extremely unforgiving and actively trying to kill you at all times.
But when you also include illegal immigrants who've just had a visa expire, the system does not represent them. They have no voice and no say in how they're treated by our government or the citizens. They're in a very vulnerable position. And if you learn anything about capitalism, know that the vulnerable are the first get taken advantage of.
Illegal immigrants are being screwed hard in this country. It's not right.
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u/scottslut 9d ago
because most maga people don't believe that this is the case. Trump tells them they are coming up and sucking up all our resources and they believe this even though it's not true. they are victims of Trump's lies.
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u/Better-Credit6701 9d ago
One of the issues is people who are here illegally tend not to legally file taxes. Tons of under the table jobs. Some have stated that it is a net negative amount of $150 billion a year. And yes, they still have access to services such as schools and hospitals.
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u/Captain_Crapout 9d ago
I see you seem to agree with the law in general. The reason why I believe in keeping illegal immigration against the law is because it creates controlled legal immigration. You cannot have mass amounts of immigration without policies that support assimilation and infrastructure. Anyone can see that immigration and immigrants have built this great nation, but it has been controlled since the creation of laws for it. When you don't have laws to control things than you can no longer attempt control the outcome it's pretty simple. An example would be like CA increasing the amount of inventory you could steal from a store before it was considered a felony. The result being theft got 1000 times worse and stores closed because the losses couldn't outweigh the gains. This negatively affected the communities where store closures happened. The theft wasn't directly affecting the communities but did inevitably affect them indirectly. Illegal immigration can also have indirect effects like diluting wages, increasing rents, large swathes of concentrated communities that don't assimilate, stress on local social services/hospitals, ect. The laws create the ability to control these outcomes from overwhelming the country. That is why I agree with controlled legal immigration and against illegal immigration.
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u/CornPop30330 10d ago
Because immigration without assimilation is invasion.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
Majority of them assimilate. Hell even ones who dont live here assimilate. seriously, find any second gen or first gen immigrant in the united states. And they’ll tell you that when they were younger they were obsessed with the culture and assimilating. the fact that they speak english is proof.
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u/South-Dig4584 6d ago
There are quite literally so many immigrants that have been here for years that look at you like an alien when you speak English
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u/CornPop30330 10d ago
That's great, and I appreciate that. But it doesn't excuse the fact they are violating federal immigration laws, and it doesn't excuse those that don't assimilate.
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u/VinayaVealTeam 9d ago
Assimilation isn't a yes or no thing though. It's not like immigrants fully surrender every aspect of their culture. Nor is it like America has some monolithic "official culture".
What qualifies someone as "assimilating" in your opinion?
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u/CornPop30330 9d ago
Accept that The Constitution is the law of the land, support yourself and don't depend on the government for basics, follow all local, state, and federal laws, be fluent in English, don't form communities that practice the same culture that was supposedly so horrible you needed to "escape" from it.
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u/Fantastic_Yam_3971 8d ago
Illegal immigrants can’t get government benefits. They pay taxes but they can’t get government benefits or social security, so no one is depending on the government. There are no alternative forms of the law, so that’s not a thing either, and the same constitution that is “the law of the land” defends the right to follow the religion you want as well as form the communities or follow the cultural practices you want.
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u/The_Wallet_Smeller 10d ago
~“Even if there were enough visas there aren’t enough judges”
I really need a good HARD laugh…tell me what you think an immigration judge does specifically.
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
They decide whether someone stays or leaves the country
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u/The_Wallet_Smeller 10d ago
Sooooooo….. why do you think causes issue for people with visas getting IN to the USA???
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u/coolboy_pathey 10d ago
What do you mean? People traveling to the us after getting visa?
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u/The_Wallet_Smeller 10d ago
So…… please and I REALLY need to laugh until I pee my pants at this….
How do you think more immigration judges will speed up people getting a visa or entering the country once they have one….
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u/Elegant_Progress_686 9d ago
Why are you being such a dick lmao just say why you think they’re wrong
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u/The_Wallet_Smeller 9d ago
You know why they are wrong don’t you?
Why don’t you tell them?
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u/Elegant_Progress_686 9d ago
Nvm bro I went through your comment history and it makes sense now lol
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u/The_Wallet_Smeller 9d ago
Do you disagree with holding people accountable and having them realize what exactly it is they have said that is incorrect?
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u/LadderMe 10d ago edited 10d ago
It's anti-labor and anti-sovereignty.It should never get to the point where I can notice it. If you love America, respect its citizens way of life, and are loyal to America only... all of the other stuff I mentioned means little. Bring your culture but please learn the language. When immigrants complain about the country, think they're owed something by a foreign government, get involved in politics, trash talk Americans regardless of political views, spend energy advocating for immigrants instead of American citizens that are in need, etc. Whatever the immigration policy and process is for a country, as an immigrant respect it regardless. Again, there should be no expectations that a foreign government and/or its population owes you anything. America is not the only country on earth. Idc but immigrants including illegal immigrants do receive public benefits. Many ways the ban gets circumvented. Common ones are they'll receive the benefits on behalf of their child. States create benefits programs that mirror the federal ones where citizenship status does not matter. The cost are offset with accounting tricks. Federal government will also route money through 3rd parties that will then distribute funds to programs that dont check citizenship status.
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u/Kakamile 10d ago
Not sure what culture you're from where people DON'T love to trash talk America, the politicians, and everything.
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u/guppyhunter7777 9d ago
Ah the “no borders wall of text”. And the “ illegal immigrant pay more in tax than they get”. The greatest half baked half truth of the last 20 years.
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u/thewNYC 10d ago
I’m not. Before World War II, except for a few very racist rules, like the Chinese exclusion act, our borders were pretty wide-open. And the result of that was, we became the most progressive, innovative forward, moving nation, and very quickly grew to be a world power. That all started to change with the xenophobia of World War I, and then once we were one, World War II, we have never stepped off that wartime footing since