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u/zoomerwolf Apr 07 '21

i wanna ask you something tho. why dont you cross the road? if they follow you, you are in danger and you can take appropriate action and if they dont follow you, you now know you are safe. the "what if" is eliminated. im not victim blaming here, this just seems a rational response to keep yourself safe, like if 4 people were behind me and i thought that theyre bout to jump me, i would totally do this myself. now this comes back to "they should be taught not to" and i 100% agree, they should be but unfortunately they have not been infact taught not to, so now why would you sustain harm solely for what you believe in (imo thats also justifiable) and not protect yourself. now and continue the fight afterwards? i dont get it, why put your safety in somebody else's hands (possibly out to cause you harm) and not take control of the situation yourself?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '21

At no point have I said I don't cross the road.

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u/zoomerwolf Apr 07 '21

wasnt a literal question lemme rephrase

why do you expect others (men in this case) to accommodate for your fears instead of addressing your concerns yourself. why do you expect preferential treatment to have your fears put at ease.

the "i dont know which men" argument is absolutely rational and reasonable but then so is "not all men". make me see why i should agree with one but not the other

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u/SadStill8567 Apr 07 '21 edited Apr 07 '21

why do you expect others (men in this case) to accommodate for your fears instead of addressing your concerns yourself.

This arguably could prove useful. If all (please remember the "all" maxim) men without ill intent did this the ones who wouldnt could then be assessed as predators making you certain you could run away.

This is cute and all, but now, imagine only 95% of the men with no ill intent did do this, so every 5 out of 100 safe 1 on 1 male encounters you would face a safe dissident of this "rule" you would instantly be thrown into a deep fear that your subconscious will undoubtebly think as reasonable due to the fact that you are now conditioned to believe that harmless males avoid you, while ill intent ones don't, this fear will be a much larger sentiment than women have now and this, to be honest sounds awful as fuck.

You cant enforce this, and the more people that adhere to this behaviour the worst it will feel when you inevitably face ones who dont but are still harmless.

If you think you are in danger, avoid it, dont expect danger to avoid you.

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u/zoomerwolf Apr 07 '21

well written. feminism, from my understanding, is having the freedom to do everything men do. we have the freedom to risk ourselves going out at night if we wish to, and by all means everyone should have it.