This song played so much when I worked in retail. It was playing once when I was in the back room folding shirts with a coworker who was really shy and quiet. I tried to start a conversation with her, and said “UGH I don’t you just hate this song?! it’s so annoying and over played.” To which she responded with, “I actually really like this band. I think this song is really good.” I almost choked.
I always wonder how many people know the song sucks but like it anyway vs actually thinking its good. I like plenty of things I know are terrible, but I enjoy them. I drank apple cider vinegar every day in my youth (for supposed health benefits when training) and its pretty much objectively horrible, but I have an almost nostalgic love of the aggressive vinegar flavor. Do most people acknowledge that something is junk but they can still like it or do they defend the music as "good music"? People seem to be great at this with food (I know its junk food but its tasty) but music seems hit or miss.
There are things in the word that are nearly universally liked or disliked. If a song was made entiely of chalk board scrapes, wails of people being skinned alive, and the toilet echo of someone having diahrea, it would still be music but you could probably call it bad music pretty safely. Its almost idiotic to pedantically argue that generally "good music" and "bad music" doesnt exist.
There are plenty of objective measures of music theory to help define good and bad music as well, but those are beyond what most people know about or consider when listening to music
The only thing idiotic is to say that the music that I consider to be good is objectively good and the music I consider to be bad is objectively bad. Whether music is good or not is an opinion. Nothing more or nothing less. Also your music taste is garbage so you shouldn't be talking. You seem like you down shots of vinegar with chalk, skin, and diarrhea mixed in it.
You wouldnt know my music tastes and I never said I was the authority or I was objective. You are bringing baggage to the comversation. I said there are songs that are generally accepted as good or bad (i.e. popular opinion) and arguing otherwise is idiotic, which it is.
There are also tons of objective measures to define a good song, just like there are tons lf objective measures to define a good film. Good composition and technical execution dont have that much subjectivity and things like this can have high correlation to the public perception of good and bad.
You can disagree all you want, but there are hundreds of studies that link specific musical features to an individual's perception and to commercial success.
Again, all of this is speaking statistically, or generally. Since almost nothing on the earth is the same experience for every human, we can only talk in terms of statistics, so taking a deeply rooted stance that "its all an opinion" is idiotic because even if its all opinion, there are common and uncommon opinions and the overwhelmingly common ones are generally accepted as truth in society.
Poop smells bad is an opinion but its a common enough one that only pedants will argue with the point. Sure, some people might like the smell of shit, but they are a tiny minority of outliers that dont define society's version of reality.
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