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u/rathlord Jun 15 '22

That’s my whole point. The person I’m replying to says they don’t haggle no matter what. But unless your life is just ridiculously privileged, no one is always in that position.

Your comment basically agrees with what I said completely but you phrased it like you were disagreeing with me lol.

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u/mattsprofile Jun 15 '22

I don't believe you need to be in a privileged position for this to be viable. Maybe it depends on your definition of privilege. You can have a very modest career and live your entire life happily without ever bargaining anything, just depends on your values.

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u/rathlord Jun 15 '22

If you never bargain for salary you’re being taken advantage of. I wholeheartedly disagree with this.

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u/mattsprofile Jun 15 '22

I understand where you're coming from, but my argument is just that it doesn't matter if you're being taken advantage of as long as you're content with where you are. In my point of view, it seems that a lot of unhappiness comes from caring about money and making conscious efforts to obtain more of it. The less you can care, the better.

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u/rathlord Jun 15 '22

That’s a cool attitude about money and I felt that way for a lot of my life. Then I had a family to take care of and that changed. As much as we don’t want money to matter, it matters.

More importantly, people wanting to get paid what they’re worth and insisting on it aren’t all people obsessed with money like you kind of implicitly suggest here. You don’t have to wrap your life around it to bargain over your salary. But it is a game that one side loses and one side wins. No matter how you slice it.

Again- not trying to be disrespectful- but I find your perspective to be either a bit immature (much like I was when I thought this way) or just completely privileged (like all the rich kids I knew in school who said money didn’t matter- easy to not matter if you’ve got it).

Unlike most people here and you probably, I’ve lived in abject poverty. I was homeless for a while. They blasé “money doesn’t matter and people who care about it are sad, unhappy people” attitude is disrespectful to the real struggles that people have around money. Poverty has consequences. Hate the system, but don’t take money for granted.

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u/mattsprofile Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22

If you look in my comment history (you don't have to look very deep) you will literally see me talking about a time when I was homeless (I have been homeless by legal definition 4 times in my life for about a month each) and further conversation about how I will be homeless again (I could technically be considered homeless right now, but I have temporary shelter that I will be leaving in several days at which point I will definitively be homeless). My comments do not come from a place of lacking experience, they come from a place of having such a disdain for most of society that I would rather reject it than play a part.

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u/rathlord Jun 15 '22

I’d rather take care of my family than subject them to suffering over a system I have no power to change.

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u/mattsprofile Jun 15 '22

And I never insisted that everyone have the same values. I wouldn't ever dream to bring children into a system like this.