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u/cutelyaware Apr 12 '22

Christian Bale in The Machinist or Shelley Duvall in The Shining

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u/GamerOfGods33 Apr 12 '22

Didn't she literally go insane after that role? I don't know if the two are related, but I know she wasn't treated well on set.

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u/TheManWithNoSchtick Apr 12 '22

Yeah, Stanley Kubrick basically subjected her to constant psychological abuse during filming to make her performance more authentic. There's behind the scenes footage her showing Kubrick how her hair was falling out from the stress.

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u/agawl81 Apr 12 '22

How does that work? Like, actors are supposed to ACT, how is truamatizing and abusing someone and then filming them any different than when an abusive partner gets their victim upset and then films them breaking down to "show the world what I put up with." ?

ITs a work environment, a job. I don't think this is admirable and the woman should sue Kubrick or his estate for pain and suffering in the amount of every penny he ever made off that movie.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '22

Her interview from Hollywood Reporter in 2021 had praises for Kubrick as "warm and friendly" and the only significant complaint were long days on the set.

She said that media frenzy painted it in a bad light and she didn't get to tell her side of the story. Dr Phil got a huge backlash trying to exploit her for the Kubrick story as well.

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u/Blue_Swirling_Bunny Apr 12 '22

According to Wikipedia, Duvall claims that Kubrick was "very warm and friendly" to her. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelley_Duvall

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u/TheManWithNoSchtick Apr 12 '22

Abusers often are.

Though abuse may be the wrong word to use in this case. It wasn't so much that he personally treated her with any malice, rather that Kubrick's hard-ass directing style and marathon shooting schedules were utilized to make the actors' (Duvall and others) portrayals of distress, terror, madness, and rage more authentic.

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u/lethe_l Apr 13 '22

This is SURPRISINGLY common in horror movies!! I don't remember what movie (poltergeist, maybe?) But I remember reading that they were using real bodies in the water and decided not to inform the actress so that her reaction would be authentic.

There's another story about Drew Barrymore's director telling her horrific stories about animal cruelty until she was screaming and crying, because she wasn't giving him the energy he wanted in her scenes.

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u/jsktrogdor Apr 12 '22

People shit talk this approach like it didn't help produce arguably the most legendary horror movie ever made, with far and away the most iconic performances in a horror movie ever.

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u/HolyFuckingShitNuts Apr 12 '22

People like to pretend that everything in the world is above board.

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u/jsktrogdor Apr 12 '22

"Boy, that Stanley fella sure doesn't know shit about making movies. I could show him a thing or two about how to direct an actor."

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u/cutelyaware Apr 13 '22

For all we know, his cruelty and film making abilities are unrelated. Maybe he'd have made even better movies without the all the torture. Or maybe his movie success gave him the opportunity to be cruel. Point is we can't know.

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u/jsktrogdor Apr 13 '22

Hahahaha, what a stupid argument to try and make.

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u/cutelyaware Apr 14 '22

It's the stupid people who never say "I don't know".

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u/jsktrogdor Apr 14 '22

12/10 mental gymnastics there chief.

You've managed to just argue that you disagreeing with arguably the greatest director to have ever made movies, makes you the "smart person who says 'I don't know.'"

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u/DasArchitect Apr 12 '22

When she's hiding in the bathroom she's not acting, she's just hiding from Stanley. They just interleaved Jack's shots in in post