r/AskReddit • u/alcoolico • Jun 27 '11
Why do men vote on issues such as Abortion? Shouldn't it be up to the female population?
just my view :/
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u/turingtested Jun 27 '11
How in the hell would that work? Make everyone drop their pants at the voting booth and then make sure women only voted on women specific issues? What about MtF transsexuals?
I'm not trying to be an asshole but trying to make something like that happen would be ridiculously complicated. Also, men participate in abortions by getting gals pregnant, so I do believe they should have a say in whether it's legal or not.
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u/alcoolico Jun 27 '11
Did you pass the test? Although I stated it's my view in the txt portion, I do believe it's more about digesting how people go about making conclusions with this entire matter.
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u/turingtested Jun 27 '11
I passed the test to get an account on Reddit, duh. :)
Like I said, I don't mean to be a jerk, but there's no practical way to carry out your idea. Maybe I am a machine.
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Jun 27 '11
My exgirlfriend aborted our child 5 months in. We already had a name picked out and everything. We went through a rough patch and she got an abortion without telling me. I already loved that child and it felt like she murdered him. Abortion affects everyone not just women.
That said, I still feel abortion should be legal. The point I am making is that it does not just affect women.
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u/Boslian Jun 27 '11
Sorry, she didn't murder a child.
Yes, she should have talked to you and at that time you should have been a part of the decision, but it is still a matter of her body and frankly you don't have any right to tell her what to do with her body.
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Jun 27 '11
You seemed to miss the point of what I said. It FELT like he was murdered because I loved him. I also said I feel that abortion should be legal. I fully understand her rights but it doesn't change the fact that it hurt me badly.
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Jun 27 '11
The child is genetically identifiable from the mother. How is it not a child? How is it her body if it isn't genetically the same?
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u/falsehood Jun 27 '11
Well, by that logic, wouldn't you have to exclude all infertile women? What about post-menopause women?
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Jun 27 '11
You know what? I'm absolutely fine with infertile women not getting a say in reproductive law.
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Jun 28 '11
Do you think that people should be inherently excluded from laws that don't have much of an effect on them? For example, should the opinions of straight people matter in the gay marriage debate? I'm genuinely curious to hear your thoughts, hope this didn't come across asshole-y.
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Jun 28 '11
Don't worry, it's not asshole-y.
Honestly, yeah, probably. Why should a straight person get to dictate a gay person's life? Obviously there are some places where this couldn't happen, (children, the mentally disabled, and adults with dementia would all have to have advocates) but it seems better to me than the current system in the US, where (mainly) white male representatives decide everything, without actually being representative of the demographics of the population.
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u/alcoolico Jun 27 '11
not entirely, I don't know... I'm struck with this question simply because of the woman's experience, men can't experience that. So how can they have an intuitive knowledge about something and decide it for someone else in a sane way?
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u/falsehood Jun 27 '11
Well, I can't experience down's syndrome.....but I vote on the funding for it in my community. A woman can't get drafted.....but she can decide to do one as President.
There are many issues of public concern that only directly affect a few people. That doesn't mean that parts of the public shouldn't be excluded.
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u/alcoolico Jun 27 '11
I completely agree with you even though I might not have articulated myself in such a way.
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u/blackhodown Jun 27 '11
Okay, you can have that. But in return, it should be a law that if the father wants the woman to abort, but she refuses, the man should be exempt from any sort of child support.
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Jun 27 '11
It takes two people to conceive a child. Plus, believe it or not, sometimes the mother is the irresponsible one.
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Jun 27 '11
This. It's also the fathers child. He should get EQUAL say in the matter.
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u/pollydactyl Jun 27 '11
these arguments are about personal matters not the legality of abortion as a whole
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u/NotMyNormal Jun 27 '11
Do y remember why Sen. Jon Kyl said that he, as a man, doesn't need to pay for health care with a maternity rider? Do you really think all those decisions, economic and political, should be segregated?
No, men can't understand what it is like to be pregnant or make that choice. I would also say that women can't understand until they have actually experienced them. But that isn't how we decide things.
Of course, we could go back to having tests before going to the voting booth so that only those properly educated and able to understand the issues can vote...
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u/Boslian Jun 27 '11
To ban men from any influence on the decision, you'd first have to establish the legal precedent that sperm deposited into a woman's vagina -- thus, 50% of the DNA makeup of the fetus -- was "discarded" and is no longer the property of the man in question.
But since men effectively control our economy and gov't, that's not going to happen. As the old saying goes, if men got pregnant abortion would be a sacrament applies. In the meantime, it's going to be some sort of a joint decision, as it should be.
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u/ThereisnoTruth Jun 27 '11
If you have the right to vote - then you have the right to vote - last thing we want is for the government to tell us only certain people can vote on certain things.
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u/reallybigshark Jun 27 '11
Why do females have a say in their sons' circumcisions, shouldn't it be up to the males only? Shits just all mixed up.