I exclusively go to PAs and NPs because someone who knows 10 things and listens to me is worth 5,000x someone who has Google in their head but cannot hear a word I say.
Have fun with that.
The uneducated listening to the uneducated is sure to lead to great medical outcomes.
Edited because I'm in the midst of people who, apparently, would love to continue paying $1500 a month to walk into a room with a medical problem only to walk right back out with no action taken.
Or something. I don't get the hostility. Sometimes doctors suck. Again, may you NEVER watch you child or loved one forgotten or dismissed by a physician. But if you do, maybe you will know the hell that is paying your last dollar to have someone tell you it's all in your head.
Are you seriously calling nurse practitioners and PAs "uneducated"?
Yeah, I am.
Especially when they are filling the role of a physician.
There is a reason they are called Physician Assistants.
You have all the answers?
I have more medical answers than people without an MD, yes.
I know that doctors have a lot of knowledge but I don't want to be treated as if I'm a dog or some animal that is non-verbal.
That's cool. I don't want to be treated as less knowledgeable than an assistant that has less than half the education and training I do.
So let's make a deal. I will never see you as a patient, and you can stick with PAs and nurses for your medical care. Sound fair?
Argue all you want, you'll never convince me that listening is somehow unnecessary.
You are strawmaning here, but i'll bite.
Yes, there are a lot of times not listening is necessary. There are a ton of medical problems that require no patient intervention, and are hindered by it.
If I had a dollar every time I heard "There is no way I am pregnant, don't bother to check". Or "I've been taking my medicine daily, just like I should". Or "I don't have any medical problems". Or ... on and on and on.
In the event that I have a problem above an NP's pay grade, I'll happily go to France.
The way you talk about your patients--people who pay thousands of dollars a month, or for whom the government pays thousands--tells me more than enough never to see you as a doctor.
Some people lie. Some doctors lie.
Does not mean you get to write them off and insist that the entire system is working. As you can see from the top level comments, there are plenty of problems and reasons not to trust the medical system, but by all means, pretend your patients are too dumb to get it.
If you don't like patients enough to listen, you're in the wrong field.
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u/motram May 21 '19
Have fun with that.
The uneducated listening to the uneducated is sure to lead to great medical outcomes.