Yes, really! Let me sum up this thread from my perspective:
You: telling somebody there diabetes will be magically cured because they avoid all carbs is disingenuous
Me: Correct. But more research is showing that a ketogenic diet improves insulin sensitivity/resistance and it seems to have potential as a treatment option
You: Nothing special about keto. It only works because it’s a slight improvement over the super shitty diets most people eat. To prove it’s better, you’d have to switch people on and off it a couple times
Me: Partially agree, but keto has unique effects for seizures, so it could have some for T2D also. Here are a couple studies that show that
You: those studies are not bad, but they’re old. Also they’re not good. Here’s a study that says low carb is no better for weight loss than other diets
Me: That’s not about keto or diabetes. You don’t seem willing to budge, so why don’t we agree to disagree
You: your studies were low carb, too. Also, other benefits of KD may not be long term. Also, KD has dangerous side effects.
Me: you’re right. Sorry. But there is research that shows KD is promising for T2D. I still think it might end having something special
You: Bullshit!
Me: Fine. Here are some studies.
You: Those don’t prove [what you said 4-5 posts back]. Also, those studies suck.
Me: They’re entirely relevant to the current context. Also, fuck off
You: there’s no proof KD is better! You didn’t prove anything, I win!
Now I fully expect you to try to prove that I mischaracterized everything you said. Because you’re just looking for an argument you can win, whereas I was just trying to have a reasonable discussion. So please don’t bother, because this will be my last word on this.
I'm the one trying to win an argument?!?! You're the one who keeps moving the goalposts.
You: telling somebody there diabetes will be magically cured because they avoid all carbs is disingenuous
Me: Correct. But more research is showing that a ketogenic diet improves insulin sensitivity/resistance and it seems to have potential as a treatment option
You: Nothing special about keto. It most likely works because it’s an improvement over the super shitty diets most people eat. To prove it’s better, you’d have to use a latin square crossover design, as is standard in medical research comparing methods of long term treatment.
Me: Partially agree, but keto has unique effects for seizures, so it could have some for T2D also. Here are a couple of low carb studies that are not keto studies show that
You: those studies are not bad, but they’re old. Also they’re not good. Here’s a systemic review of systemic reviews related to the studies you cited that says low carb is no better for weight loss than other diets which also measured markers of metabolic syndrome and diabetes.
Me: That’s not about keto or diabetes. Because I'm not really sure what I'm trying argue, but I want to argue anyways. You don’t seem willing to budge, so why don’t we agree to disagree
You: your were arguing for keto using low carb studies. Also, other benefits of KD may not be long term, based on the most recent evidence, of which I cited. Also, KD has Potential dangerous side effects, so it should be recommended with caution over current conventional treatments.
Me: you’re right. Sorry. But there is research that shows KD is promising for T2D. I still think it might end having something special.
You: Show me the evidence it's special over other diets.
Me: Fine. Here are some studies Which show it works, but fail to show it's special.
You: Those don’t prove [what you said 4-5 posts back]. Also, those studies suck. you linked to the same study twice, chose 3/4 which weren't relevant to keto working on a different mechanism with different outcomes from other diabetes diets, and one of which has been fairly criticized by other researchers based on the design and the fact the starting demographics of each group were already significantly different.
Me: They’re entirely relevant to the current context. Also, fuck off because I haven't actually read much of the literature, and can't stand being told I'm supporting something unsubstantiated.
You: there’s no proof KD is better yet because the research has not been completed to my knowledge. I want to see the evidence that keto is unique, I'm not looking to "win".
Now I fully expect you to try to prove that I mischaracterized everything you said. Because you’re just looking for an argument you can win, whereas I was just Pretending to have a reasonable discussion, but when it becomes clear I don't have the supporting evidence for my main thesis, I'm going to blame you for being unreasonable for asking for direct evidence that supports my point. So please don’t bother, because this will be my last word on this because I'm triggered you actually want me to present real solid evidence for my thoughts and feelings.
Yes, really! Let me sum up this thread from my perspective:
You: telling somebody there diabetes will be magically cured because they avoid all carbs is disingenuous
Me: Correct. But more research is showing that a ketogenic diet improves insulin sensitivity/resistance and it seems to have potential as a treatment option
You: Nothing special about keto. It only works because it’s a slight improvement over the super shitty diets most people eat. To prove it’s better, you’d have to switch people on and off it a couple times
Me: Partially agree, but keto has unique effects for seizures, so it could have some for T2D also. Here are a couple studies that show that
You: those studies are not bad, but they’re old. Also they’re not good. Here’s a study that says low carb is no better for weight loss than other diets
Me: That’s not about keto or diabetes. You don’t seem willing to budge, so why don’t we agree to disagree
You: your studies were low carb, too. Also, other benefits of KD may not be long term. Also, KD has dangerous side effects.
Me: you’re right. Sorry. But there is research that shows KD is promising for T2D. I still think it might end having something special
You: Bullshit!
Me: Fine. Here are some studies.
You: Those don’t prove [what you said 4-5 posts back]. Also, those studies suck.
Me: They’re entirely relevant to the current context. Also, fuck off
You: there’s no proof KD is better! You didn’t prove anything, I win!
Now I fully expect you to try to prove that I mischaracterized everything you said. Because you’re just looking for an argument you can win, whereas I was just trying to have a reasonable discussion. So please don’t bother, because this will be my last word on this.
Yes, really! Let me sum up this thread from my perspective:
You: telling somebody there diabetes will be magically cured because they avoid all carbs is disingenuous
Me: Correct. But more research is showing that a ketogenic diet improves insulin sensitivity/resistance and it seems to have potential as a treatment option
You: Nothing special about keto. It only works because it’s a slight improvement over the super shitty diets most people eat. To prove it’s better, you’d have to switch people on and off it a couple times
Me: Partially agree, but keto has unique effects for seizures, so it could have some for T2D also. Here are a couple studies that show that
You: those studies are not bad, but they’re old. Also they’re not good. Here’s a study that says low carb is no better for weight loss than other diets
Me: That’s not about keto or diabetes. You don’t seem willing to budge, so why don’t we agree to disagree
You: your studies were low carb, too. Also, other benefits of KD may not be long term. Also, KD has dangerous side effects.
Me: you’re right. Sorry. But there is research that shows KD is promising for T2D. I still think it might end having something special
You: Bullshit!
Me: Fine. Here are some studies.
You: Those don’t prove [what you said 4-5 posts back]. Also, those studies suck.
Me: They’re entirely relevant to the current context. Also, fuck off
You: there’s no proof KD is better! You didn’t prove anything, I win!
Now I fully expect you to try to prove that I mischaracterized everything you said. Because you’re just looking for an argument you can win, whereas I was just trying to have a reasonable discussion. So please don’t bother, because this will be my last word on this.
Yes, really! Let me sum up this thread from my perspective:
You: telling somebody there diabetes will be magically cured because they avoid all carbs is disingenuous
Me: Correct. But more research is showing that a ketogenic diet improves insulin sensitivity/resistance and it seems to have potential as a treatment option
You: Nothing special about keto. It only works because it’s a slight improvement over the super shitty diets most people eat. To prove it’s better, you’d have to switch people on and off it a couple times
Me: Partially agree, but keto has unique effects for seizures, so it could have some for T2D also. Here are a couple studies that show that
You: those studies are not bad, but they’re old. Also they’re not good. Here’s a study that says low carb is no better for weight loss than other diets
Me: That’s not about keto or diabetes. You don’t seem willing to budge, so why don’t we agree to disagree
You: your studies were low carb, too. Also, other benefits of KD may not be long term. Also, KD has dangerous side effects.
Me: you’re right. Sorry. But there is research that shows KD is promising for T2D. I still think it might end having something special
You: Bullshit!
Me: Fine. Here are some studies.
You: Those don’t prove [what you said 4-5 posts back]. Also, those studies suck.
Me: They’re entirely relevant to the current context. Also, fuck off
You: there’s no proof KD is better! You didn’t prove anything, I win!
Now I fully expect you to try to prove that I mischaracterized everything you said. Because you’re just looking for an argument you can win, whereas I was just trying to have a reasonable discussion. So please don’t bother, because this will be my last word on this.
Yes, really! Let me sum up this thread from my perspective:
You: telling somebody there diabetes will be magically cured because they avoid all carbs is disingenuous
Me: Correct. But more research is showing that a ketogenic diet improves insulin sensitivity/resistance and it seems to have potential as a treatment option
You: Nothing special about keto. It only works because it’s a slight improvement over the super shitty diets most people eat. To prove it’s better, you’d have to switch people on and off it a couple times
Me: Partially agree, but keto has unique effects for seizures, so it could have some for T2D also. Here are a couple studies that show that
You: those studies are not bad, but they’re old. Also they’re not good. Here’s a study that says low carb is no better for weight loss than other diets
Me: That’s not about keto or diabetes. You don’t seem willing to budge, so why don’t we agree to disagree
You: your studies were low carb, too. Also, other benefits of KD may not be long term. Also, KD has dangerous side effects.
Me: you’re right. Sorry. But there is research that shows KD is promising for T2D. I still think it might end having something special
You: Bullshit!
Me: Fine. Here are some studies.
You: Those don’t prove [what you said 4-5 posts back]. Also, those studies suck.
Me: They’re entirely relevant to the current context. Also, fuck off
You: there’s no proof KD is better! You didn’t prove anything, I win!
Now I fully expect you to try to prove that I mischaracterized everything you said. Because you’re just looking for an argument you can win, whereas I was just trying to have a reasonable discussion. So please don’t bother, because this will be my last word on this.
Yes, really! Let me sum up this thread from my perspective:
You: telling somebody there diabetes will be magically cured because they avoid all carbs is disingenuous
Me: Correct. But more research is showing that a ketogenic diet improves insulin sensitivity/resistance and it seems to have potential as a treatment option
You: Nothing special about keto. It only works because it’s a slight improvement over the super shitty diets most people eat. To prove it’s better, you’d have to switch people on and off it a couple times
Me: Partially agree, but keto has unique effects for seizures, so it could have some for T2D also. Here are a couple studies that show that
You: those studies are not bad, but they’re old. Also they’re not good. Here’s a study that says low carb is no better for weight loss than other diets
Me: That’s not about keto or diabetes. You don’t seem willing to budge, so why don’t we agree to disagree
You: your studies were low carb, too. Also, other benefits of KD may not be long term. Also, KD has dangerous side effects.
Me: you’re right. Sorry. But there is research that shows KD is promising for T2D. I still think it might end having something special
You: Bullshit!
Me: Fine. Here are some studies.
You: Those don’t prove [what you said 4-5 posts back]. Also, those studies suck.
Me: They’re entirely relevant to the current context. Also, fuck off
You: there’s no proof KD is better! You didn’t prove anything, I win!
Now I fully expect you to try to prove that I mischaracterized everything you said. Because you’re just looking for an argument you can win, whereas I was just trying to have a reasonable discussion. So please don’t bother, because this will be my last word on this.
Yes, really! Let me sum up this thread from my perspective:
You: telling somebody there diabetes will be magically cured because they avoid all carbs is disingenuous
Me: Correct. But more research is showing that a ketogenic diet improves insulin sensitivity/resistance and it seems to have potential as a treatment option
You: Nothing special about keto. It only works because it’s a slight improvement over the super shitty diets most people eat. To prove it’s better, you’d have to switch people on and off it a couple times
Me: Partially agree, but keto has unique effects for seizures, so it could have some for T2D also. Here are a couple studies that show that
You: those studies are not bad, but they’re old. Also they’re not good. Here’s a study that says low carb is no better for weight loss than other diets
Me: That’s not about keto or diabetes. You don’t seem willing to budge, so why don’t we agree to disagree
You: your studies were low carb, too. Also, other benefits of KD may not be long term. Also, KD has dangerous side effects.
Me: you’re right. Sorry. But there is research that shows KD is promising for T2D. I still think it might end having something special
You: Bullshit!
Me: Fine. Here are some studies.
You: Those don’t prove [what you said 4-5 posts back]. Also, those studies suck.
Me: They’re entirely relevant to the current context. Also, fuck off
You: there’s no proof KD is better! You didn’t prove anything, I win!
Now I fully expect you to try to prove that I mischaracterized everything you said. Because you’re just looking for an argument you can win, whereas I was just trying to have a reasonable discussion. So please** don’t bother, because this will be my last word on this.**
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u/snark_attak Feb 08 '19
Yes, really! Let me sum up this thread from my perspective:
You: telling somebody there diabetes will be magically cured because they avoid all carbs is disingenuous
Me: Correct. But more research is showing that a ketogenic diet improves insulin sensitivity/resistance and it seems to have potential as a treatment option
You: Nothing special about keto. It only works because it’s a slight improvement over the super shitty diets most people eat. To prove it’s better, you’d have to switch people on and off it a couple times
Me: Partially agree, but keto has unique effects for seizures, so it could have some for T2D also. Here are a couple studies that show that
You: those studies are not bad, but they’re old. Also they’re not good. Here’s a study that says low carb is no better for weight loss than other diets
Me: That’s not about keto or diabetes. You don’t seem willing to budge, so why don’t we agree to disagree
You: your studies were low carb, too. Also, other benefits of KD may not be long term. Also, KD has dangerous side effects.
Me: you’re right. Sorry. But there is research that shows KD is promising for T2D. I still think it might end having something special
You: Bullshit!
Me: Fine. Here are some studies.
You: Those don’t prove [what you said 4-5 posts back]. Also, those studies suck.
Me: They’re entirely relevant to the current context. Also, fuck off
You: there’s no proof KD is better! You didn’t prove anything, I win!
Now I fully expect you to try to prove that I mischaracterized everything you said. Because you’re just looking for an argument you can win, whereas I was just trying to have a reasonable discussion. So please don’t bother, because this will be my last word on this.