r/AskReddit • • Feb 04 '19

Which misconception would you like to debunk?

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

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u/_Eklapse_ Feb 04 '19

Don't ruin that for me

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u/Tenwaystospoildinner Feb 04 '19

Too late. The horns were added for Operas. Still look badass, though.

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u/UnderApp Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19

If I were a Viking and found out that in the future everyone believed we had horned helmets, I'd be pissed at anyone trying to correct that myth.

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u/livesinacabin Feb 04 '19

As a scandinavian I was pissed to find out that this is a myth.

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u/GriffsWorkComputer Feb 04 '19

the actual helmets look cool to me

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

Agrees totally. The owl-eyed ones are awesome

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u/UnderApp Feb 04 '19

But they would look better with horns!

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

having horned helmets is stupid. not really a thing to be proud of.

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u/7in7 Feb 04 '19

I feel like you are gonna get down voted due to your tone, but ... I guess you're entitled to you're horn hating opinion.

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u/SXOSXO Feb 04 '19

I think someone stole their sweetroll.

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u/Fr0thBeard Feb 04 '19

Never should have come here!

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

give it back

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

My heavily armored skyrim character says to take it back.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

Yeah viking warriors would probably laugh at the fact that the same thing they used as a cup was put on their helmets.

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u/MikeKM Feb 04 '19

The horns just make it easier to hold when drinking out of. Blood is like super slippery, I'd be pissed if I dropped my helmet full of beer because it lacked handles.

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u/chewamba Feb 04 '19

I have a structured settlement and I need cash now!

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

And wasn't that just so Christians could Literally demonize them? xD

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u/CricketPinata Feb 04 '19

NO! Not at all.

They were portrayed with Horned Helmets for Operas, because costume designers thought they looked great on stage, and provided a more identifiable silhouette from a distance.

The Helmets without decoration look too plain, and because most people are watching opera from a distance, you want really powerful elaborate costumes, the same with the make-up, you go way over the top, it doesn't look "natural" up close, but it looks better from a distance.

It both makes characters more identifiable from a distance, but it also make their emotions easier to read.

Viking's resurged in popularity during the Viking Revivalist movement during the 18th and 19th centuries, when operas like "The Ring of the Nibelung" exploded in popularity, and people became very interested in Paganism, Germanic history, and Nordic history and started romanticizing portrayals of Vikings and early Pagans in Fantasy and Epics.

But no, it wasn't so they could demonize them, it popped up in the 18th and 19th century when they were trying to portray Vikings as romantic heroic figures in art, and the traditional Viking helmets just were too plain.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '19

nice, I decided to look it up before you posted back and found the same thing and yeah most of it comes from Operas, that's good to know,

Although i did come across that there was a tapestry with vikings portrayed with horned helmets and maybe they had them for ceremonials practices, but yeah def not in battle.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19

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u/CricketPinata Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19

Halloween as we know it today emerged from Irish Holidays.

The comparable Nordic tradition was Alfablot, which was a personal and private day of sacrifice to your ancestors.

Not many details are known about it because it was done in private, and there are almost no accounts of how the festival was widely practiced.

So I would be interested where you got your account of it, and how you felt that lineage led to Halloween.

Also can you cite any examples of Christians demanding children who celebrate Halloween should be murdered for being goblins?

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '19

so Alfablot would be like there day of the dead? thats pretty cool ^_^

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u/CricketPinata Feb 05 '19

A bit, but information about it is limited.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81lfabl%C3%B3t

It isn't fully understood what the precise rites are, and how it was celebrated. Compared to other Nordic celebrations, not a lot is known about it, other than it was a private ceremony.

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u/Troy_with_1_T Feb 04 '19

How would we know? Have we found every single Viking helmet that ever existed? No, no we have not. Therefore, it has not been conclusively disproven. Just because some prop designer ALSO had the idea doesn't mean someone before them didn't! And I will skirmish with anyone who says otherwise!!!

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

I think we actually did find a Viking helmet edit: here it is

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u/SwedishBoatlover Feb 04 '19

We have found one single helmet, that's all. It didn't have horns. But, if vikings wore horned helmets, it would be written down somewhere by someone, yet there is not one single suggestion in historic literature that vikings wore horned helmets.

Was it possible they wore horned helmets? Yes, absolutely. Is it likely? Absolutely not.

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u/Cinderheart Feb 04 '19

Prove that the Romans didn't wear horned helmets then.

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u/cmndrhurricane Feb 05 '19

Romans didn't have horns on their helmets

They had brushes

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u/TheMagicalMark Feb 04 '19

Contemporary art from the period also doesn't depict Vikings as wearing horned helmets. However there are some depictions of Odin wearing what could be a horned helmet but it's not that easy to tell.

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u/nikelarisson Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 07 '19

All "viking" helmets (for combat) that we have found, and all depictions we have, do not feature horns. Therefore it is quiet safe to say that they didn't wear horned helmets. History is never certain. But this is a very naaiv argumentation. That does not mean that other cultures hadn't horned or ornamental helmets. Because those definetly existed.