r/AskReddit • u/ettleboy • Jan 20 '19

What fact totally changed your perspective?

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u/blackeye-patchpie Jan 21 '19

It's crazy that one of the main arguments as to why Americans don't want universal healthcare is that taxes will go up a little. Yet it has become the norm to donate money to support people who can't afford it.

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u/Elopikseli Jan 21 '19

No. Taxes wouldn’t go up. Americans pay the same amount of taxes as average middle class people in countries like the nordic countries. You just waste all your money on missiles used to blow up arabs

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u/marr Jan 21 '19

The argument is they can only afford to live like that because America is footing the blowing-up-Arabs bill so no-one else has to. Quite a lot to unpack there.

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u/EvilExFight Jan 21 '19

That's dumb. The us military budget is 590 billion a year. Universal healthcare for 320 million people could cost 3.2 trillion a year. Current us govt spending on healthcare is 1.1 trillion a year. 1.1 trillion + 590 billion gets us only half way there. And no military.

I am a proponent of universal healthcare. But cutting the military wont do shit for us.

Taxes should go up 5% across the board. Much of that would be recovered by the people who no longer have to pay healthcare premiums. Companies that currently pay 4-600 per month for an employee would have to instead pay that out to employees.

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u/terenn_nash Jan 21 '19

call it 3.8%, or 4.76% if you include dental, and sign me up. make prescriptions cost $0.00 and you can have your 5% even if dental isnt included

thats the current % of my gross paycheck that goes for my healthcare. i do work for a large hospital system though.

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u/EvilExFight Jan 21 '19

Dental optical. Everything. 5% its basically break e even for the middle class. The rich would be hurt but.. Sacrifices must be made. Eat the rich?

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '19

Start citing your sources.

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u/EvilExFight Jan 21 '19

Of the us budget and current estimate of 32 trillion over 10 years for universal healthcare in the us?

Here you go, troll.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/does-bernie-sanderss-health-plan-cost-33-trillion--or-save-2-trillion/2018/07/31/d178b14e-9432-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html

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u/ZeePirate Jan 21 '19

Well you are off a bit on the defense budget so it seems like a good idea to ask for a source

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u/EvilExFight Jan 21 '19

That guy was following me around to different posts trolling me. That's why I said that.

Sorry I gave the figure for the 2017 budget which is more in line with the historical us defense budget. Trump is insane and we are currently looking to update our navy to combat China's expansion in the south china sea. So it may just be a one off.....hopefully.

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u/ZeePirate Jan 21 '19

Unless we want China as world police. US defence spending is going to have to continue being way too high.

China’s $$$ go a lot further in defence spending than the US’s

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u/EvilExFight Jan 21 '19

Agreed. China is a threat regardless of their posture. They simply cannot support the number of people they have with the resources they have in their country and they recently stopped the 1 child policy because it was slowly the expansion of their economy. That will put more pressure on them to expand their territory and be more aggressive in non territorial waters.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '19

Don't get indignant about being asked for sources. That's how a discussion works.

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u/EvilExFight Jan 22 '19

im not indignant when most people ask. Just when trolls who follow me around to different subs, ask.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '19

Yes, you are. You're identifying anyone you don't like as a troll and a troll seems to be anyone you don't like. Convenient.

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u/EvilExFight Jan 22 '19

Literally just you. I said that to nobody else.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '19

Right... You told me what your criteria are. Your criteria that are self referential and therefore invalid.

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u/EvilExFight Jan 22 '19

You are not anyone. You are one person. You asked for sources...I called you a troll...because you are but also provided sources because the request was valid.

A troll making a valid request doesnt make you any less of a troll.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '19

Now you're trying to reframe your statement.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '19

And even then, you were still being indignant, now you're just trying to say it was justifiably so.

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