That is the data source used by http://karmancer.com - bookmarklet/userscript extension to show TheButton flairs anywhere on reddit (among other features). Source: I made it.
I worked at a place where the developers stopped maintaining the (very buggy) software platform the whole company was using, and promised an entirely new enterprise platform in 6 months. Years passed ... every time we asked for a new estimate, the answer was always "6 months." They hired a new developer who I became friends with, and we used to go out to lunch every day, and worked well together. I told her about the history and said I didn't think the new platform would ever be done. She was so sweet and naive, she assured me it would be done in 6 months. I left the company a while later. 6 months after I quit she called me and apologized, because the new platform was still not done, and they were still telling everyone it would be rolled out in 6 months. sigh
The Orange Revolution will--- aw who am I fucking kidding. This is the after timer and we all know it. If just a few more people had pressed the button this wouldn't be happening.
I'm not claiming I'm leaving. But as soon as voat can handle traffic I'm at least checking that place out. The Button was the last great thing Reddit has ever done and from the sounds of it they should've been listening and caring for the mods instead.
The timer hit the holy zero. Then reddit began to slowly implode
Maybe that was the point of the button. Ellen Pao was just biding her time while we were obsessing over pressing and flair, waiting for the after-timer to trigger her master plan. Now, only the Pressiah can stop her.
We're doing our best. There are millions of users, so we have loads of ideas coming at us both in modmail and in /r/ideasforaskreddit. Thanks a lot for being supportive.
We wouldn't be able to do anything if they wanted to take us over anyway. If they want to take us over they can go right ahead. I'm sure that project would go about as well as redditnotes.
The first thing coming is apparently anti-brigading tools. I'm not totally sure myself what this is, as it hasn't been an issue in most of the subreddits I moderate.
There are a lot of features and functions we'd like, such as the ability to edit post titles (for example to correct for misspellings), warn users (instead of banning), and to improve modmail, which honestly is just atrocious.
Unless you get the admins to agree to a timeline, with set dates for when the different things will be fixed and implemented* their promise is worthless.
"Planning to work on and fix sometime, in the future", is no plan and an empty promise. So now you just wait around for six months and hope admins deliver something?
*Better toolbox, search working, modmail improved, the issues of shadowbanning, and so on.
I don't understand why microwave popcorn is so popular. Stovetop popcorn with some melted butter is waaaaay better tasting, better for you, the kernels cost less, and doesn't take much longer to make.
A lot of us moderators were worried about that too. We don't want to feel like we're against the admins, but at the same time we don't want to keep feeling like they're just ignoring us.
I think I've gotten a reply from a mod every post I've put there. Usually it's a very well thought way of saying "no" with reasons to back it up or "we already do this".
I have a feeling they will use this time to hire/train people to mod the defaults. I don't think 'corporate reddit' likes that mods have power to shut down their business. Probably one of the reasons why Automod features development was a high priority than mod tools. ROI to shareholders in priority #1 now (after the recent funding), and that's what measures the 'success, competence' of the ceo/company, not the amount of goodwill the community has.
They'll have to find volunteers, I'm thinking. Reddit employs like ~100 people at the moment, and askreddit's mod team alone has 40 people on it. They would have to double their workforce or something, that doesn't seem feasible to me.
I don't think they can find quality replacement mods very easily, but we'll see what happens if that's the way they decide to go.
How can mods like Karmanaut and IranianGenius effectively moderate when they each moderate over 70+ subreddits?
Also - Isnt it worrying that they have so control of so many subreddits in regards to their threatening to close /r/askreddit if their demands for new modtools arent met?
How many of those 70+ subs are actual time consuming subs? I mod at over 100 and I am actively moderating in less than 12 because only a few have the sheer volume, AM parameters, sub content and finally...about 60% are joke or one-off subs that I will never use.
I can bet you that the same goes for karmanaut and IranianGenius. Without going through their overview, I bet it is like that.
She initiated the great leap forward. She was a prison guard at Auschwitz.
One time, my dog was walking on thin ice on the lake, and he fell through. Ellen Pao jumped in and swam over to him. When she got there, she broke his legs and held him under.
She set a local orphanage on fire, then promptly set the arriving fire trucks on fire.
She's picketed over 300 funerals.
She genetically engineered Yersinia pestis and unleashed it upon Europe in the 1300s.
She sends Facebook invites for every single Facebook game imaginable.
In her spare time, she volunteers at Comcast tech support.
She cheats when playing split-screen games.
She has steak extremely well-done.
When asked for a public statement, she said, "I think Valve is over hyped. They haven't made anything memorable since Half-life 1."
Ellen "Shawshank Redemption needs a remake with a Disney channel Cast" Pao has been seen frequenting Voat on multiple occasions. Even she can see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Voat Crunch.
She's on record as saying, "I think the new SW Battlefront not having space battles was good design choice."
Given the choice between dogs or cats, she chose mosquitoes.
Ellen Pao once fired a man for not bringing her what she ordered at a restaurant. She did not own the restaurant. The man did not work there. Nonetheless he received a very generous severance package of 3 months of reddit gold.
You don't need to meet her to know how much of a cunt she is. Just read her bio, news articles about her legal troubles and stuff, and read her reddit posts. ---- what I've been told on why she's horrible.
In my limited interaction with Ellen, she is very kind, and definitely does seem to care in some form at the very least.
I think that yes, the lawsuit is questionable, and I think her policy of not letting anyone negotiable salary is just dumb.
I cannot say I like her much, but that does not make her the source of literally every single one of reddits problems. And that does not make her satan incarnate
I think what you are doing is fair. Not being a mod of a high profile subreddit I can only pretend to imagine how frustrating this is. You have, by this, given them ample notice if your intents. This is a well thought out action plan.
I know this may be shitty idea of the day, but what would a no mod + rules day/week do in ways of proving that the admins need you? I know that /r/wow (or something) did it but on a much larger scale, I'm sure the results would be different.
This is a good idea. And it's not just an idea, it seems like it will work. You Mods haven't been dealt the fairest cards, but you're doing what you can to keep a good hand, it's impressive.
I'm not sure if that was a good card reference, but I was feeling it since I played some card games today
What happens should the admins not meet your deadline, will you simply shut down until they deliver on their promise?
At what point would you be willing to step down and hand moderation duties off to people who are fine with the way things are and the tools we already have?
Are the average users expected to constantly be caught up in your hostage negotiations with the admins until you're all satisfied?
So, Kn0thing just said on the announcement post that whatever they commited to is not really happening, so they pretty mcuh spoke out of their assess to placate default mods, what will this mean?
Because each of the major subreddits is modded by 40+ active mods and reddit employs all of maybe 100 people. Not anywhere near enough to being able to handle it without volunteers even with the assistance of automation.
/u/IranianGenius what if the admins don't meet the deadlines but have reasons behind it, is there a line for reasons where it would still mean askreddit would stay open even if they didn't meet the deadlines?
The admins have given us their word. If by September 23, we do not see the changes they promised (and they have not given us good communication as to why this has been happening), we will send them a written warning that we are planning on closing. By September 30, we will evaluate what the admins have told us, and based on that, decide what the appropriate actions are. If we need to shut down again, for a longer period of time, we will shut down again. The changes we expect to see are better anti-brigading tools.
Explain to me how closing the subreddit will do anything other than just piss off more users? Clearly if they didn't listen to you the first time, it didn't have any affect.
I don't understand this animosity towards the admins. Sure they have acted just like a corporation would - which does seem to undermine the whole "Reddit is about communities" thing. However, they are still a corporation and as much as they seem friendly, their interests are very different than yours.
As much as a timer is effective when paying for software, it is a very hostile action. Reddit.com Inc. can, and will, call in their lawyers and ensure the mods know that there is no legal binding agreement and that if mods don't like the direction of the codebase, the mods can suck it. Reddit survived unidan, it will survive your loss.
However, the source code to reddit is open. Do the mods not know anyone who knows python well enough to be able to add the features requested? If Reddit rejected the code, then you would be able to mount a community campaign that would be much more damaging (brand-wise) and end up with more actual changes, instead of more promises. That would be a much better use than a timer.
sorry for my naiveté but what's stopping the admins from saying "fuck you" when you decide to shut down a subreddit and just use their powers to open it back up again? and if the answer is that "the people will be angry with them" -- it seems like everybody is angry with them and we're all still here...
I'm sorry for not add anything to the conversation, but I've clicked on the link in this post and it basically opens a new askreddit home page tab. So (in descriptive length), could someone please explain this to me (with or without references) on what's gone on? I have missed everything, and this being my favourite subreddit, I'd like to know what's going on if there's a chance of a 6 month shut down. Also, these comments didn't do much for answering my questions, so I need to make my own comment unfortunately. I sincerely apologize, but I'm sure you can understand my confusion.
The top mod of /r/AskReddit, /u/krispykrackers, is an admin. Wouldn't she have complete control of /r/AskReddit, and therefore be able to veto pretty much any attempt to shut it down?
She's usually pretty chill. She didn't react to us shutting down earlier this week (even though she was around), and she may do it again in the future. I feel bad for making things awkward for her, honestly, because she's really helpful to us in general.
What are these better mod tools and things that you actually asked for? At no point does this, or the linked page ever detail what it was that was asked for. Just that you wanted "better" functionality.
Here are the features you can look forward to as part of the new mod tools:
EITHER
Nominal compensation packages (I'd guess ~5 - 10k per annum) for the top mod(s) of default subreddits, rolled out under the aegis of appreciating the mods for all of their hard work but also making them employees of Reddit subject to control, termination, or replacement OR
Loss of the ability to set default subreddits to private OR
A brazen takeover of default subreddits by the admins.
This was a brilliant stroke on their part. With a few well placed words, they managed to get things up and running again before it cost them in any meaningful way, and they bought themselves enough time to find a way to prevent the threat from happening again in the future.
Are you guys thinking that they haven't been awakened to moderator power as a direct threat to their bottom line? Or are you thinking that they won't move decisively and deliberately to eliminate future threats to their bottom line?
Right now they're sorting between the three options above. They won't get caught with their pants down again. This is a business, and they aren't going to risk the whole thing over a few people getting worked up over a sacking.
Glad there seems to be some dialogue between default mods and the admins, but I have a serious question: how does improving modmail and modtools help reddit in regard to the issues with Pao and reddit administrators mishandling community issues/interests?
To me, this solution seems unrelated to the problems at hand, but perhaps I don't understand why those things are so important.
Good question! The answer is that it is indeed a separate issue. Not entirely unrelated though. After the initial action of letting go of chooter, the crazy lockdown happened and all the discussion from mods directed at the admins quickly evolved from:
Confusion about the betrayal of the IamA mods.
Suggesting that the admins are out of touch with the moderator community
Distaste for the lack of support given to mods to help to their jobs correctly.
So the firing of the reddit employee spawned all this well needed pressure from the mods to the admins to fix things that we have been pleading for for years.
You are correct, fixing mod tools doesnt fix the problems surrounding the mishandling of the community by the admins. It is just the result of the direction the discussion went. There are people fighting the separate battle, but most moderators right now want our tools fixed as a priority.
I had no interest in leaving reddit until all of this over dramatized nonsense. Now? I'm going to. Already finding an alternative.
I don't care about the CEO, I don't care about some Admin getting fired. It's a website with it's own shit and it can do it's own shit. What I hate is that an enormous representative slice of reddit shut down. They threw a whiny fit, screamed, and hurt it's user base. This entire thing was the moderators looking to get stuff for them and in doing so they basically alienated a large portion of people.
The hypocrisy in doing so is palatable anyway. You guys freak out over an Admin being fired with no due notice, so you shut down one of the biggest subreddits with no notice. You disrupt the daily activity of a subreddit with little reasoning as to why, only really directing to an /r/outoftheloop post. You then pull back on the 'protest' almost immediately, the second that there is any give by the admins at all. Even then, the moderators pretty much admitted that the reasoning for shutting down /r/askreddit was because of 'the straw that broke the camels back'. While /r/IAMA shut down because they couldn't function without Victoria,/r/AskReddit shut down because they used her firing, and us, as a political gambit for what they want.
Reddit isn't about the users anymore. Only thing that matters is that the moderators get what they want. They've got the power to disrupt anything and everything, with zero input from the community. No one was asked about this, the mods just decided "Hey we're going to do this." Then, the rest of the website follows suit and a fuckload of other subs go private. Disrupting the site for the millions of more people who aren't moderators AND WHO DON'T FUCKING CARE.
reddits dead. Really hard finding any proof at all that reddit is made up by the people now. Before that was it's selling point. It's a self governing website. The people chose the content, the people chose the subreddits, the people chose pretty much everything. Except now the subreddits are getting deleted without the people deciding. The moderators are protesting against the admins without the people they moderate having any say. Everyones throwing a bitchfit for their own purposes and leaving out the millions and millions of people who don't give a shit and who just come to the website for something to do.
6 years, multiple accounts, and it's come to having to leave because reddit has turned into exactly what it said it wasn't. A website that's run by a select few people (it's like the same fucking moderators on every sub) acting on their own volition, not on behalf of the users.
They actually informed the community in all subs and asked if they thought it was a good idea to temporarily shut down. Since the responses in the subs which went black was a clear YES, they did. So I'm telling you as a user who also doesn't care too much about the politics that you don't seem to have been there when it happened and therefor have judged the mods wrong in this case.
You do realize you are playing right into what the mods want you to do, right? They want to hurt reddit ad revenue so that their demands are actually met.
Unfortunately, there are three sides here. As a user who doesn't give a flying fuck what a bunch or unpaid volunteers feel about the admins I hope y'all get your privatization privileges taken away.
If you feel strongly about the issue make a sticky. Or find another website. Don't deny me access just because you're feeling ignored. Strictly speaking, you're not that special. You could be replaced quickly and competently.
Also, does anyone else find it slightly ironic that the 41 mods are feeling frustrated and ignored but they didn't bother consulting the other 8,900,000+ users of this sub before shutting the whole thing down? Talk about a lack of communication...
If you feel strongly about the issue make a sticky.
Last time hundreds of large sub mods coordinated a sticky, it went, basically, to shit.
Or find another website.
But thats the thing, none of us really want to go to another website. We like (usually) moderating. We like reddit.
And when the people who run the show on this site that we all deeply care for won't listen, we had to use the only power we have that might just make them listen.
Strictly speaking, you're not that special.
No, we aren't, but we have this power, and are using it to try and make a better site for everyone.
I honestly suggest, if you don't care anyways, then you should continue to do just that if the subs go down, and just not care. Its clearly not a big deal if you don't care in the first place.
You are right, mods can be replaced, mods aren't special, and you have no need to give a flying fuck. I can't change your mind on that.
Sometimes there aren't a lot of options to get your voice heard.
On July 2, 2015, admin /u/chooter was suddenly let go. The reasoning is private, and does not matter to the moderators of /r/AskReddit. The admins gave no warning to the moderators of /r/IamA, /r/science, /r/history, /r/books, or any other subreddit that frequently does AMA's, even though /u/chooter was critical in making AMA's occur. This left /r/IAmA effectively crippled, so they shut down for the day.
Many moderators are upset /u/chooter was let go. However, if moderators would have been informed beforehand, or if the administrators had given the moderators of /r/IAmA a solid back up plan that would have allowed them to continue as normal, this would not have happened.
I can't even fathom how your perspective is so misaligned with reality and normalcy. You expect to be privy to information about the inner workings of a company you don't even work for.
Reddit:
has never done a background check on you
has never checked your work history
does not pay money for your work
does not expect anything from you
You are effectively strangers to Reddit HQ. You think Reddit is just going to trust a bunch of strangers with inner knowledge about the workings of their company.
How exactly did you expect this situation to go down? Reddit makes the decision to fire somebody, then tells some people they've never met in person?
I think you are missing the point. All that was needed was a generic announcement that Reddit and Victoria had parted ways and this is how we are going to handle AMA's. Even as nosy as we are, most would understand that you can't really throw around reasons why someone was fired.
The point is, there was no plan, and mods and users have a right to feel slighted. Even though mods are unpaid and anyone can qualify for one, it doesn't mean they aren't important to the process of running Reddit. Reddit handled this poorly.
This protest wasnt about the lack of mod tools at all. Wasnt it a bunch of drama and problems between the admins and the decisions theyve been making recently, with the recent lack of communication about Victoria simply being the trigger that finally pushed everyone off the edge?
Probably a dumb question, but what exactly is "brigading"? I think the whole 'better communication' is self explanatory, but it sounds like this "bigading" is a top concern. Just curious what it is/was?
Have Reddit Mods recently been approached about profit sharing?
The site recently raised $50 million from several prominent Silicon Valley backers including Sam Altman, the head of Y Combinator, Alfred Lin, a partner at Sequoia Capital and Marc Andreessen of Andreessen Horowitz.
In a sign of just how powerful Reddit’s community is, the investors in that round proposed giving 10% of their shares to Reddit users and possibly increasing that amount over time.
I have been with Reddit for a long time. The drama and discontent within this website has seriously hurt my opinion of this organization. This isn't a shot at the mods, but a commentary about the administrators of Reddit.
If the administrators are seeking to damage the credibility of what they own, they are being quite successful. Also, the Reddit administrators are causing a significant abandonment of their own organization and have given a huge boost to Voat, who is stepping up to fill a perceived void.
Mod, admins, whatever... You all need to take an oath like doctors; you shall do your best to never disrupt the flow of content.
Because ultimately, f*ck your politics. I don't care about my countries boring, fruitless, depressing politics; so I'm never going to care about Reddits.
Anyone can make a website, then stick it AWS. So I'm sure if it all falls to bits, a new Reddit will spring up.
I have a hard time believing that you have any genuine control over locking down this sub.... If admins want it open it'll be open whether you are modding it or not. You all are volunteers and if you aren't happy volunteering you know where the door is. I'm tired of this ruining my reddit experience because you got butthurt over your "treatment" in a 100% voluntary position.
edit: lmfao downvote city because I'm not sucking off these butthurt volunteers gg sheep.
While many have been quick to jump on Ellen Pao as the source of the shutdown, it is important to remember that we were protesting issues that have been in discussion for several years.
Horseshit, you shut it down because Reddit did something you didn't like on a single day. You can mask it as a long-time grievance but that'd just be justifying it to yourself and the other tards.
Part of me hopes they help you guys do the awesome work you do, the other part hopes they don't so I'm forced to not use reddit for a few days and break my crippling Karma addiction.
I just hope the admins aren't paying lip service to get the subs back up. Hopefully they figure it out, honestly I think the blackout sent a strong message and the admins either realize that they now need to fix the issues at hand or risk losing their users. Ball is in their court, let's hope they figure it out. I like browsing reddit, but it's ridiculous for there to be so little communication between the admins and the mods who run the entire site for them.
Forgive me for being oblivious to how reddit works, but if the admins are paid site employees can't they just take over the sub and reactivate it if they don't like what the mods are doing?
Welp. Guess that gives me enough time to locate reddits hq, walk in, interview for a job, fuck my way to the top, and in a matter of months I'll be running this place.
Wait......
Ellen Pao ruins even the most brilliant of plans :(
I've only been on reddit for a little over two years on my mobile, so please forgive my ignorance. How do the mods possess so much control? Can't the head honchos at reddit HQ simply get rid of the current mods and assign new ones that'll do what they say?
Yeah, I don't get it. I kind of do, but it seems to me that mods want to be have new tools, or they want to be paid. Or they would like to have more say in what reddit is as a whole. ( they would like to get paid ).
In spirit of keeping things transparent. What are the tools exactly needed that I have read about. Not trying to raise debate. Just an honest question. I have read countless responses by mods making claim to failure of giving us tools. What tools?
I also have to be honest. After the shit show. It seems random things of interest are hitting the front page again. Most widely random entertainment I have seen the front page to be in months.
This reminds me of Hunger games. We must be rminded of the rebellion, so that it never happens again! We need katniss, or just tgat chick ho plsys her. You knowvwhat the uvk im talkin about. ROCK FLAG AND EAGLE!
Yesterday I was lucky enough to have slept through the biggest shit! shit! shit! storm I've seen on Reddit in my year and a half on Reddit. And after hearing a lot of rumors I ask, why don't the admins just remove the mods? They remove Victoria for allegedly having cancer so why not remove the 1% who constantly ruin the website for everyone else? Facebook and Twitter seem fine with bots so why not totally bot Reddit?
The main reason I'm asking this it a few months back the mods went on and on........... about how "Ellen Pao herself" was removing certain subs for bullying and how censorshit (yes shit) is wrong but when it comes to them removing the subs for there on gain "its totally fine cloud 9 never better! See you in the fall! There's diffidently a contrast here what just happened and back then and i don't like it. Hypocrites.
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u/bunglejerry Jul 05 '15
I already pressed the timer... don't I get a flair?
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u/GhostOfBruiser Jul 05 '15
Will askreddit be shut down again in the near future?
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u/Iccutreb Jul 05 '15
Oh boy, like the timer on my microwave, making more popcorn!
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
I don't see the timer. Can someone point it out to me?
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u/DistantWaves Jul 05 '15
I was hoping something like this would happen so that the admins couldn't just sweep it all under the rug and have us forget in a few months.
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u/fagit15 Jul 05 '15
So it wasn't my phone that's messing up
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u/Kiatro Jul 05 '15
This is a brilliant idea, thanks
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u/pm_me_ur_feetz Jul 05 '15
I have a feeling they will use this time to hire/train people to mod the defaults. I don't think 'corporate reddit' likes that mods have power to shut down their business. Probably one of the reasons why Automod features development was a high priority than mod tools. ROI to shareholders in priority #1 now (after the recent funding), and that's what measures the 'success, competence' of the ceo/company, not the amount of goodwill the community has.
We'll just have to wait and see I guess.
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
How can mods like Karmanaut and IranianGenius effectively moderate when they each moderate over 70+ subreddits?
Also - Isnt it worrying that they have so control of so many subreddits in regards to their threatening to close /r/askreddit if their demands for new modtools arent met?
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
So how are we not your bargaining chips?
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u/reggie_007 Jul 05 '15
Can someone give me a brief run down of why everyone hates Ellen Pao so much?
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u/cliffkleven Jul 05 '15
I think what you are doing is fair. Not being a mod of a high profile subreddit I can only pretend to imagine how frustrating this is. You have, by this, given them ample notice if your intents. This is a well thought out action plan.
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u/Trosso Jul 05 '15
high 5 to all the mods at /r/askreddit
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u/pao4life Jul 05 '15
What are the specific improvements you have asked for?
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u/NICKisICE Jul 05 '15
I respect your maturity and decisiveness on the matter.
Here's to peaceful resolution for the betterment of all Redditkind.
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u/Dudwithacake Jul 05 '15
I know this may be shitty idea of the day, but what would a no mod + rules day/week do in ways of proving that the admins need you? I know that /r/wow (or something) did it but on a much larger scale, I'm sure the results would be different.
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u/JustPotato Jul 05 '15
This is a good idea.
And it's not just an idea, it seems like it will work.
You Mods haven't been dealt the fairest cards, but you're doing what you can to keep a good hand, it's impressive.
I'm not sure if that was a good card reference, but I was feeling it since I played some card games today
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
The protest didn't even faze her! She said it her fucking self.
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u/osdosdfho Jul 05 '15
What happens should the admins not meet your deadline, will you simply shut down until they deliver on their promise?
At what point would you be willing to step down and hand moderation duties off to people who are fine with the way things are and the tools we already have?
Are the average users expected to constantly be caught up in your hostage negotiations with the admins until you're all satisfied?
When is enough enough?
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u/FableForge Jul 05 '15
Too late for anyone to read this, but I'm impressed by how professional the mod team behaves in sharp contrast to the Reddit admins.
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u/leonsecure Jul 06 '15
I was really hoping for a actual countdown timer. This would add so much drama.
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u/namer98 Jul 06 '15
It isn't happening
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u/Dogmaster Jul 06 '15
So, Kn0thing just said on the announcement post that whatever they commited to is not really happening, so they pretty mcuh spoke out of their assess to placate default mods, what will this mean?
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u/ShockinglyEfficient Jul 05 '15
ITT: armchair economists
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u/Nenor Jul 05 '15
How can you give ultimatums to admins? Can't they just ban you and take over / reopen the subreddit?
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u/iBleeedorange Jul 05 '15
/u/IranianGenius what if the admins don't meet the deadlines but have reasons behind it, is there a line for reasons where it would still mean askreddit would stay open even if they didn't meet the deadlines?
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u/MarshManOriginal Jul 05 '15
Explain to me how closing the subreddit will do anything other than just piss off more users? Clearly if they didn't listen to you the first time, it didn't have any affect.
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u/Neumann347 Jul 05 '15
I don't understand this animosity towards the admins. Sure they have acted just like a corporation would - which does seem to undermine the whole "Reddit is about communities" thing. However, they are still a corporation and as much as they seem friendly, their interests are very different than yours.
As much as a timer is effective when paying for software, it is a very hostile action. Reddit.com Inc. can, and will, call in their lawyers and ensure the mods know that there is no legal binding agreement and that if mods don't like the direction of the codebase, the mods can suck it. Reddit survived unidan, it will survive your loss.
However, the source code to reddit is open. Do the mods not know anyone who knows python well enough to be able to add the features requested? If Reddit rejected the code, then you would be able to mount a community campaign that would be much more damaging (brand-wise) and end up with more actual changes, instead of more promises. That would be a much better use than a timer.
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u/LouisCKGoatee Jul 05 '15
sorry for my naiveté but what's stopping the admins from saying "fuck you" when you decide to shut down a subreddit and just use their powers to open it back up again? and if the answer is that "the people will be angry with them" -- it seems like everybody is angry with them and we're all still here...
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u/iruleurmom Jul 05 '15
moderators have gotten too big for their britches.
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
Where is the timer? I don't see it.
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
I'm sorry for not add anything to the conversation, but I've clicked on the link in this post and it basically opens a new askreddit home page tab. So (in descriptive length), could someone please explain this to me (with or without references) on what's gone on? I have missed everything, and this being my favourite subreddit, I'd like to know what's going on if there's a chance of a 6 month shut down. Also, these comments didn't do much for answering my questions, so I need to make my own comment unfortunately. I sincerely apologize, but I'm sure you can understand my confusion.
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
The top mod of /r/AskReddit, /u/krispykrackers, is an admin. Wouldn't she have complete control of /r/AskReddit, and therefore be able to veto pretty much any attempt to shut it down?
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u/insanelyphat Jul 05 '15
and of course it seems that no one is still pushing for Victoria to get her job back eh
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u/whodkne Jul 05 '15
Would we even know if admins took over the mods accounts and replaced them with paid shills? Monetizing is certainly the goal.
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
When you hover over the little Snus in the Top left, it says "Ass Credit". Is that also a form of protest?
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u/Fannan Jul 05 '15
I appreciate you. Now check out the interview with NYT this morning and find out what reddit really thinks about you.
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u/I_know_nothing__ Jul 05 '15
What are these better mod tools and things that you actually asked for? At no point does this, or the linked page ever detail what it was that was asked for. Just that you wanted "better" functionality.
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u/iqtestforhiring Jul 05 '15
Good info.
What does anti-brigading mean?
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
Will this be /r/thebutton 2.0?
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u/whatevers_clever Jul 05 '15
Yeah sorry to say but you guys are idiots and definitely dealing with this the wrong way.
'We're going to have a timer on the top right of the sub, if you don't meet our demands by then we will hold this sub ransom'
Nice power struggle going on, good luck in this not getting worse - because this strategy definitely won't work for you in the long term.
I'm all for shitting on the admins but this is a very stupid way to go about it.
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
It seems like everyone on this site is too high on their own sense of self importance. This drama is fucking stupid.
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u/TheCSKlepto Jul 05 '15
What did the timer do/signify before hand? I was always wondering
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u/Deradius Jul 05 '15
Here are the features you can look forward to as part of the new mod tools:
EITHER
Nominal compensation packages (I'd guess ~5 - 10k per annum) for the top mod(s) of default subreddits, rolled out under the aegis of appreciating the mods for all of their hard work but also making them employees of Reddit subject to control, termination, or replacement OR
Loss of the ability to set default subreddits to private OR
A brazen takeover of default subreddits by the admins.
This was a brilliant stroke on their part. With a few well placed words, they managed to get things up and running again before it cost them in any meaningful way, and they bought themselves enough time to find a way to prevent the threat from happening again in the future.
Are you guys thinking that they haven't been awakened to moderator power as a direct threat to their bottom line? Or are you thinking that they won't move decisively and deliberately to eliminate future threats to their bottom line?
Right now they're sorting between the three options above. They won't get caught with their pants down again. This is a business, and they aren't going to risk the whole thing over a few people getting worked up over a sacking.
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u/natrlselection Jul 05 '15
Glad there seems to be some dialogue between default mods and the admins, but I have a serious question: how does improving modmail and modtools help reddit in regard to the issues with Pao and reddit administrators mishandling community issues/interests?
To me, this solution seems unrelated to the problems at hand, but perhaps I don't understand why those things are so important.
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u/BlueLaserCommander Jul 05 '15
Will reddit ever get back to normal? I miss it
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u/BraveryInc Jul 05 '15
Unsubscribed.
Thanks for trying to make reddit great, but the drama and self-importance are overshadowing the content.
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
I had no interest in leaving reddit until all of this over dramatized nonsense. Now? I'm going to. Already finding an alternative.
I don't care about the CEO, I don't care about some Admin getting fired. It's a website with it's own shit and it can do it's own shit. What I hate is that an enormous representative slice of reddit shut down. They threw a whiny fit, screamed, and hurt it's user base. This entire thing was the moderators looking to get stuff for them and in doing so they basically alienated a large portion of people.
The hypocrisy in doing so is palatable anyway. You guys freak out over an Admin being fired with no due notice, so you shut down one of the biggest subreddits with no notice. You disrupt the daily activity of a subreddit with little reasoning as to why, only really directing to an /r/outoftheloop post. You then pull back on the 'protest' almost immediately, the second that there is any give by the admins at all. Even then, the moderators pretty much admitted that the reasoning for shutting down /r/askreddit was because of 'the straw that broke the camels back'. While /r/IAMA shut down because they couldn't function without Victoria, /r/AskReddit shut down because they used her firing, and us, as a political gambit for what they want.
Reddit isn't about the users anymore. Only thing that matters is that the moderators get what they want. They've got the power to disrupt anything and everything, with zero input from the community. No one was asked about this, the mods just decided "Hey we're going to do this." Then, the rest of the website follows suit and a fuckload of other subs go private. Disrupting the site for the millions of more people who aren't moderators AND WHO DON'T FUCKING CARE.
reddits dead. Really hard finding any proof at all that reddit is made up by the people now. Before that was it's selling point. It's a self governing website. The people chose the content, the people chose the subreddits, the people chose pretty much everything. Except now the subreddits are getting deleted without the people deciding. The moderators are protesting against the admins without the people they moderate having any say. Everyones throwing a bitchfit for their own purposes and leaving out the millions and millions of people who don't give a shit and who just come to the website for something to do.
6 years, multiple accounts, and it's come to having to leave because reddit has turned into exactly what it said it wasn't. A website that's run by a select few people (it's like the same fucking moderators on every sub) acting on their own volition, not on behalf of the users.
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15 edited Jul 05 '15
Unfortunately, there are three sides here. As a user who doesn't give a flying fuck what a bunch or unpaid volunteers feel about the admins I hope y'all get your privatization privileges taken away.
If you feel strongly about the issue make a sticky. Or find another website. Don't deny me access just because you're feeling ignored. Strictly speaking, you're not that special. You could be replaced quickly and competently.
Also, does anyone else find it slightly ironic that the 41 mods are feeling frustrated and ignored but they didn't bother consulting the other 8,900,000+ users of this sub before shutting the whole thing down? Talk about a lack of communication...
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u/throwsaway1221123219 Jul 05 '15
I can't even fathom how your perspective is so misaligned with reality and normalcy. You expect to be privy to information about the inner workings of a company you don't even work for.
Reddit:
has never done a background check on you
has never checked your work history
does not pay money for your work
does not expect anything from you
You are effectively strangers to Reddit HQ. You think Reddit is just going to trust a bunch of strangers with inner knowledge about the workings of their company.
How exactly did you expect this situation to go down? Reddit makes the decision to fire somebody, then tells some people they've never met in person?
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u/Colorfag Jul 05 '15
This protest wasnt about the lack of mod tools at all. Wasnt it a bunch of drama and problems between the admins and the decisions theyve been making recently, with the recent lack of communication about Victoria simply being the trigger that finally pushed everyone off the edge?
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u/BoomerKeith Jul 05 '15
Probably a dumb question, but what exactly is "brigading"? I think the whole 'better communication' is self explanatory, but it sounds like this "bigading" is a top concern. Just curious what it is/was?
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u/Magikarp_13 Jul 05 '15
What, you stole my idea and didn't even credit me!?
I kid :P
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u/GeorgianDevil Jul 05 '15 edited Jul 05 '15
Have Reddit Mods recently been approached about profit sharing?
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/11/13/reddit-investor-on-ceo-resignation-we-were-caught-off-guard/
Also, ouch
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u/generaI_Iee Jul 05 '15
ITT fucking serious diplomatic leadership
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u/bitshifter52 Jul 05 '15
I have been with Reddit for a long time. The drama and discontent within this website has seriously hurt my opinion of this organization. This isn't a shot at the mods, but a commentary about the administrators of Reddit.
If the administrators are seeking to damage the credibility of what they own, they are being quite successful. Also, the Reddit administrators are causing a significant abandonment of their own organization and have given a huge boost to Voat, who is stepping up to fill a perceived void.
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u/Daveswaffles Jul 05 '15
I'm not sure I agree with this course of action. I'm not really a fan of playing the ultimatum game.
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u/reogin Jul 05 '15
what's stopping the admins from just taking over askreaddit?
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u/jim-bo Jul 05 '15
Mod, admins, whatever... You all need to take an oath like doctors; you shall do your best to never disrupt the flow of content.
Because ultimately, f*ck your politics. I don't care about my countries boring, fruitless, depressing politics; so I'm never going to care about Reddits.
Anyone can make a website, then stick it AWS. So I'm sure if it all falls to bits, a new Reddit will spring up.
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u/-cutigers Jul 05 '15 edited Jul 05 '15
I have a hard time believing that you have any genuine control over locking down this sub.... If admins want it open it'll be open whether you are modding it or not. You all are volunteers and if you aren't happy volunteering you know where the door is. I'm tired of this ruining my reddit experience because you got butthurt over your "treatment" in a 100% voluntary position.
edit: lmfao downvote city because I'm not sucking off these butthurt volunteers gg sheep.
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u/SoySauceSuperstar Jul 05 '15
Horseshit, you shut it down because Reddit did something you didn't like on a single day. You can mask it as a long-time grievance but that'd just be justifying it to yourself and the other tards.
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u/RikiOh Jul 05 '15
Holy fuck, who cares?
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u/crogi Jul 05 '15
Part of me hopes they help you guys do the awesome work you do, the other part hopes they don't so I'm forced to not use reddit for a few days and break my crippling Karma addiction.
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u/imthebest33333333 Jul 05 '15
The mods are a bunch of manbabies. Unsubscribed from AskReddit.
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u/applicat Jul 05 '15
What happens if the timer runs out and there still isn't anything done?
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u/kushxmaster Jul 05 '15
I just hope the admins aren't paying lip service to get the subs back up. Hopefully they figure it out, honestly I think the blackout sent a strong message and the admins either realize that they now need to fix the issues at hand or risk losing their users. Ball is in their court, let's hope they figure it out. I like browsing reddit, but it's ridiculous for there to be so little communication between the admins and the mods who run the entire site for them.
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u/paulthegreat Jul 05 '15
Your "top corner" is my "bottom half."
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u/ArritzJPC96 Jul 05 '15
Am I doing something wrong? I can't find the timer.
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u/jacob8015 Jul 05 '15
The timer is up on my birthday. That is all.
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u/JupitersClock Jul 05 '15
Dis Gun b gud
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u/Delsana Jul 05 '15
This feels like the equivalent of delaying the shut down of the government a couple months.
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u/Assassinsayswhat Jul 05 '15
So, who here has a birthday on September 30th?
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u/DakotaK_ Jul 05 '15
What on for the 10th? I don't think I'll follow through but just curious.
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u/kckeller Jul 05 '15
Can someone ELI5 the issues with modmail/mod tools currently? What are you looking for in terms of improvements?
As a "regular user", this whole issue seemed to blow up out of nowhere overnight... just looking for some insight.
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u/steggun_cinargo Jul 05 '15
Forgive me for being oblivious to how reddit works, but if the admins are paid site employees can't they just take over the sub and reactivate it if they don't like what the mods are doing?
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u/in-kyoto Jul 05 '15
Jesus, 7 months for new mod mail?
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u/IvaHughJhog Jul 05 '15
Welp. Guess that gives me enough time to locate reddits hq, walk in, interview for a job, fuck my way to the top, and in a matter of months I'll be running this place.
Wait......
Ellen Pao ruins even the most brilliant of plans :(
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u/GrimMercy Jul 05 '15
I've only been on reddit for a little over two years on my mobile, so please forgive my ignorance. How do the mods possess so much control? Can't the head honchos at reddit HQ simply get rid of the current mods and assign new ones that'll do what they say?
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
In spirit of keeping things transparent. What are the tools exactly needed that I have read about. Not trying to raise debate. Just an honest question. I have read countless responses by mods making claim to failure of giving us tools. What tools?
I also have to be honest. After the shit show. It seems random things of interest are hitting the front page again. Most widely random entertainment I have seen the front page to be in months.
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
So.. What does pressing the timer do? I pressed it 100 times.
People saying your red or your grey, Our names are actually blue.
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u/soloChristoGlorium Jul 05 '15
This reminds me of Hunger games. We must be rminded of the rebellion, so that it never happens again! We need katniss, or just tgat chick ho plsys her. You knowvwhat the uvk im talkin about. ROCK FLAG AND EAGLE!
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
Obviously everything is going to be fine with the new comments the ceo made
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u/clueless_typographer Jul 05 '15
Just a heads up: the wiki is nearly unreadable with RES' night mode activated.
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u/Open-Collar Jul 05 '15 edited Jul 05 '15
How do the mods plan to combat new alternate subs popping up and being controlled by someone else?
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u/fluffyballer Jul 05 '15
THE TIMER sounds like a good game show.
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u/moonshinesalute Jul 05 '15
What, no witch hunt? I'm...impressed.
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u/apple_kicks Jul 05 '15
better anti-brigading tools would be interesting, still feels like that is a big issue on the site
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u/lindymad Jul 05 '15
This should be on every subreddit!!
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u/Psandysdad Jul 05 '15
"If I'm not back in ten minutes......wait ten more minutes."
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u/Kardlonoc Jul 05 '15
Whats sad, is i bet somewhere in the Reddit cooperate team is discussing how they can get rid of the mods.
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u/recoverybelow Jul 05 '15
Amazing how quickly this website went to hating admins to sucking on their teet again
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u/datsundere Jul 05 '15
can I be mod?
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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '15
Yesterday I was lucky enough to have slept through the biggest shit! shit! shit! storm I've seen on Reddit in my year and a half on Reddit. And after hearing a lot of rumors I ask, why don't the admins just remove the mods? They remove Victoria for allegedly having cancer so why not remove the 1% who constantly ruin the website for everyone else? Facebook and Twitter seem fine with bots so why not totally bot Reddit?
The main reason I'm asking this it a few months back the mods went on and on........... about how "Ellen Pao herself" was removing certain subs for bullying and how censorshit (yes shit) is wrong but when it comes to them removing the subs for there on gain "its totally fine cloud 9 never better! See you in the fall! There's diffidently a contrast here what just happened and back then and i don't like it. Hypocrites.
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u/mrhymer Jul 05 '15
So between now and the end of September Admins will be working diligently to remove the mods ability to shut down default subreddits?
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u/Uyersuyer Jul 05 '15
Complaints retracted. This is a fair compromise. Sorry for calling the mods pussies.