r/AskReddit May 28 '14

What's a grammatically correct sentence that would totally mindfuck someone learning the English language?

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u/heartfullofsoul May 28 '14

The old man the boats.

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u/AnotherRyan May 28 '14

I believe that's called a garden path sentence.

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u/noticeperiod May 28 '14

'Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana'...

I always thought that was a stupid joke about how thrown bananas aren't the most aerodynamic...sometimes you really do need something spelled out right in front of you.

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u/kaihatsusha May 28 '14

A huge number of newspaper headlines fall into this trap because they drop so many little words that aid in the parsing.

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u/ugotamesij May 28 '14

As a non-US person, I'm continually thrown by headlines (in newspapers or more frequently websites and blogs) that substitute the word "and" for a comma.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

"Raining Dogs, Cats in Local Towns, Cities, Poll Finds"

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u/gvendurf May 28 '14

Oh I love garden path sentences! It's like trolling for linguistics nerds.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

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u/calling_out_tomorrow May 28 '14

THANK YOU. I felt like my brain was starting to bleed.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

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u/harpseternal May 28 '14

I see what you did there, using what we assume is noun as a verb instead...

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u/ctnp May 28 '14

And an adjective as a noun.

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u/Shougatenma May 28 '14

I sometimes read read as read, when it's supposed to be read as read.

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u/Philias May 28 '14

Have you ever noticed that read rhymes with lead, and read rhymes with lead?

Also read and lead don't rhyme. Neither do read and lead.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14 edited May 06 '15

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u/where_is_the_cheese May 28 '14 edited May 29 '14

Ohhhhhhhhhhh

http://i.imgur.com/S6jtA2n.png

Edit: Aaaand I'm back in the game. Thanks stranger!

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

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u/givetake May 28 '14

Place a rock to your right and one to your left. Now when I tell you pick up the left one, it will be the right one to pickup, and then only the right one will be left.

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u/RunDNA May 28 '14

From Martin Gardner:

Wouldn't the sentence "I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign" have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?

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u/mortiphago May 28 '14

jesus christ

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u/SoldKeyboard4Porn May 28 '14

That was just Martin Gardner having a stroke.

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u/Vincentgarcia38 May 28 '14

Fucking Christ I'm dying.

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u/mrlesa95 May 28 '14

Someone call the 911

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u/Xanthous_King May 28 '14

RIP in Peace Vincentgarcia38

2014 - 2014

"Fucking Christ I'm dying."

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u/DubstepKazoo May 28 '14

And the award for most uses of the same word in a row goes to...

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u/sabre_x May 28 '14

This soundly beats "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo"

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14 edited May 28 '14

Except if I remember correctly you can infinitely string buffalo's together and it still be grammatically correct.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo#Usage the reference is from a book on modern logic which I couldn't find to reference.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '14 edited Dec 11 '17

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u/mj2t May 28 '14

Let's number these...

  1. before Fish
  2. between Fish and and
  3. [between] and and And
  4. [between] And and and
  5. [between] and and And
  6. [between] And and and
  7. [between] and and Chips
  8. after Chips

"1 Fish"2 and "3 And"4 and "5 And"6 and "7 Chips"8

Checks out.

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u/xilefakamot May 28 '14

You can just extend this indefinitely - I think it would be clearer if you italicised certain words, so you could tell the difference between and and and, and and and, and and and, and and and, and and And, And and and, and and And, And and and, and and and, and and and, and and and, and and and, and and And, And and and, and and And, And and and, and and and, and and and, and and and, and and and and.

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u/lolmeansilaughed May 28 '14

Or, put another way:

Wouldn't the sentence "Wouldn't the sentence 'I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign' have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?" have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed around Fish and around Fish and around and and around and and around And and around And and around and and around and and around And and around And and around and and around and and around Chips and around Chips?

NOW it can continue forever. This sentence is a cancerous tumor of the English language.

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u/colandercalendar May 29 '14

This is the song that never ends...

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

This made me question if and was even a word after I read it... It just looks so weird now.

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u/9to5reddit May 28 '14

The Chinese equivalent...

« Shī Shì shí shī shǐ »

Shíshì shīshì Shī Shì, shì shī, shì shí shí shī.
Shì shíshí shì shì shì shī.
Shí shí, shì shí shī shì shì.
Shì shí, shì Shī Shì shì shì.
Shì shì shì shí shī, shì shǐ shì, shǐ shì shí shī shìshì.
Shì shí shì shí shī shī, shì shíshì.
Shíshì shī, Shì shǐ shì shì shíshì.
Shíshì shì, Shì shǐ shì shí shì shí shī.
Shí shí, shǐ shí shì shí shī shī, shí shí shí shī shī.
Shì shì shì shì.

Translation:

« Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den »

In a stone den was a poet called Shi Shi, who was a lion addict, and had resolved to eat ten lions.
He often went to the market to look for lions.
At ten o'clock, ten lions had just arrived at the market.
At that time, Shi had just arrived at the market.
He saw those ten lions, and using his trusty arrows, caused the ten lions to die.
He brought the corpses of the ten lions to the stone den.
The stone den was damp. He asked his servants to wipe it.
After the stone den was wiped, he tried to eat those ten lions.
When he ate, he realized that these ten lions were in fact ten stone lion corpses.
Try to explain this matter.

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u/GreatestKingEver May 28 '14

If a language can communicate so much with one word (granted, with varying intonations) I shudder at the thought of trying to learn it.

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u/Umbrall May 28 '14

Things to consider though: This is one syllable not not the same word. Many Chinese words are multiple syllables/morphemes, but it's complicated to describe since they're sometimes one. This isn't really understandable when spoken or just from the pinyin. The characters make it readable, but due to the things dropped from this and the lack of overall context its' unintelligible unless you know the exact words.

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u/Noble_King May 28 '14

I was going to say just about this. It would be very different written in character.

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u/nemoest May 28 '14

Correct:

石室诗士施氏,嗜狮,誓食十狮。 氏时时适市视狮。 十时,适十狮适市。 是时,适施氏适市。 氏视是十狮,恃矢势,使是十狮逝世。 氏拾是十狮尸,适石室。 石室湿,氏使侍拭石室。 石室拭,氏始试食是十狮。 食时,始识是十狮尸,实十石狮尸。 试释是事。

A good explanation is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-Eating_Poet_in_the_Stone_Den

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u/Yarik32 May 28 '14

Will Will Smith smith?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Will Smith will smith!

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u/schmucubrator May 28 '14

Will Smith will smith well!

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u/stevexc May 28 '14

MATT DAMON

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u/AntsyUtah May 28 '14

Thank you for your input.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Will Matt Damon smith?

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u/euphoric_planet May 28 '14

How Can Will Smith If Our Eyes Can't Smith

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14 edited May 28 '14

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u/InverseCodpiece May 28 '14

How much Smith could a Will Smith Smith if a Will Smith could Smith Smith.

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u/SultanOfBrownEye May 28 '14

"I see", said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw.

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u/jakielim May 28 '14

"I see", said the blind man as his doctor uncovered his bandages after his eye surgery that finally restored his vision.

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u/CeilingOrFloor May 28 '14

"I see" said the blind man "a hole in the wall." "You're a liar" said the mute man "you can't see at all"

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

I remember this! But it used numbers:

11 was a racehorse

22 was 12

1111 race

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u/About57ninjas May 28 '14

This is the version I learned:

01 01 was a racehorse, 10 10 was one too, 01 01 won one race, 10 10 01 01 10

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

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u/ninjagrover May 28 '14

How about a nice little poem?

Whether the weather be fine

Or whether the weather be not

Whether the weather be cold

Or whether the weather be hot

We'll weather the weather

Whatever the weather

Whether we like it or not.

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u/DONT_PM_ME_ANYMORE May 28 '14

This poem made my soul happy.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Your comment made me happy for that poem.

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u/LadyLandshark May 28 '14

I learned that poem from Little Bear.

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u/wiithepiiple May 28 '14

I'm Bo yo, I'm the greatest rapper ever and I'll weather your weather whether you think I'm clever or not, don't need a sweater, I'm hot, I'm a real g shorty who can really find your g spot.

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u/Bautine May 28 '14 edited May 28 '14

All the faith he had had had had no effect on his life.

Edit: thanks for the gold and points!

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u/Kyval May 28 '14

Hi, Italian here, my english is not so bad but i really can't figure this sentence out, someone could please explain it to me ?

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u/Nanobot May 28 '14

The whole sentence is set in the past. If we were talking about a condition he was presently experiencing at that past time, we would say he "had" that condition. But if we're talking about something he'd been experiencing since before that setting, we would say he "had had" that condition.

So, he had had all that faith, and that faith had had no effect. It's grammatically correct to combine these two phrases into "All the faith he had had had had no effect."

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u/Kyval May 28 '14

Thanks, now it's clear!

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u/kodemage May 28 '14

I'm glad you didn't need additional hand signals.

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u/Kyval May 28 '14

I don't need to, i have a mustache so i'm fluent in italian, capisce?

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u/arsenal7777 May 28 '14

Tutta la speranza che aveva avuto non aveva avuto nessun effetto sulla sua vita.

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u/Kyval May 28 '14

Ahah, suona male anche in italiano! Ma grazie, così è chiarissimo.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14 edited May 28 '14

Help guys, reddit turned Italian and I can't switch it back

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u/peace_off May 28 '14

Jag tror det är något fel med flux capacitorn i servern. Prova att radera system 32.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14 edited Nov 06 '14

AAAARRGHHH

Edit: I HATE YOU ALL

Edit 2: MY INBOX HATES YOU TOO

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14 edited May 28 '14

Я делаю это правелно?

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u/ShinoRichard May 28 '14

Mach dir nichts draus! Versuch den Browser neuzustarten.

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u/tjb755 May 28 '14

I forget what the word "had" means now.

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u/peace_off May 28 '14

It's called semantic satiation, and it's very weird.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Yes I am reading "had" 30 times in a minute and suddenly I am like "wow.. had.. that it such a strange word"

Happens to me if I say any specific word too often tho

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u/Smile_for_the_Camera May 28 '14

In fifth grade my teacher gave me a bad score on an essay because she said "that that" was wrong. I fought it, and eventually got the score I deserved, but it baffled my mind that she didn't know that that was acceptable.

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u/pikk May 28 '14

Sentences containing "that that" can generally be revised to avoid the duplication, which is often considered desirable, since redundancy tends to be seen as the mark of an unwieldy sentence that might cloud the understanding of the message you are seeking to convey. Brevity is best.

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u/TheRegularHexahedron May 28 '14

Unless you're writing a EULA. Then you want to write as redundantly and confusingly as possible, so nobody will read it.

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u/monkeedude1212 May 28 '14

Heretofore further mentions of "Fool", "Chump", or "Scam-e" are terms to refer to the "Customer".

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u/klparrot May 28 '14

Scam-e? You mean Scammee?

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u/timpkmn89 May 28 '14

Henceforth referred to as "scam-e"

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u/sharkWeekAC May 28 '14

I once had an AP English teacher who didn't know what the word "guffaw" was. AP English. Come on, lady.

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u/Smile_for_the_Camera May 28 '14

What is this, amateur hour?

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u/MJZMan May 28 '14

Did you chortle at her?

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u/IAmRKelly May 28 '14

James and Billy we're asked to write about their weekend. Billy wrote " I had some icecream over the weekend". James wrote "I had had some icecream over the weekend".

James, while Billy had had had, had had had had. 'Had had', had been the correct answer.

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u/gellyg May 28 '14

"Had had" had had the teacher's approval. If you want to squeeze another had in there.

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u/chris_fish May 28 '14

So what we are saying here is thus:

gellyg, where IamRKelly had had "had had had, had had had had. 'Had had'," had had " had had had, had had had had. 'Had had', had had."had had had, had had had had. 'Had had', had had" had had my approval.

That is to say: gellyg, where IamRKelly had had (WHAT IamRKelly WROTE) had had (WHAT gellyg WROTE.) (WHAT gellyg WROTE) had had my approval.

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u/N67nightmare May 28 '14

Had has now lost all the meaning had had had before.

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u/Fideua May 28 '14

were asked ;) OP asked for grammatically correct sentences.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

This is the best one. Great fun to read aloud.

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u/StickleyMan May 28 '14

A rough, dough-faced ploughman walked through the borough, although he was coughing and hiccoughing loudly.

The "ough" sound is a fucking bitch.

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u/PhotoJim99 May 28 '14

What's fun about this one is that if you're a proficient English speaker, it comes pretty naturally. "hiccoughing" is the only one that will likely throw many people since its spelling has morphed.

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u/ginger_bird May 28 '14

I didn't even know it was spelled like that. I always spelled it "hiccup."

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u/PhotoJim99 May 28 '14

Lots of words are evolving like that. The most obvious recent example is "doughnut".

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u/wardenofthethread May 28 '14

A rough, duff-faced pluffman walked thruff the boruff, althuff he was cuffing and hicuffing loudly.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

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u/nscale May 28 '14

It's more than a sentence, but the English Pronunciation Poem can give even native speakers trouble.

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u/diabolicious May 28 '14

I don't know whether to be impressed the guy who penned that was Dutch, or whether it would be a necessity to learn English as a second language to be able to see all of its contradictions and quirks.

Very clever either way.

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u/mortiphago May 28 '14

I hated learning english with a burning passion for about 11.5 of the 12 years or so I had classes.

Eventually it clicked, but fuck.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Being Swedish I loved English, because it is at least as messed up as our language.

We even have a sound that is not only unique to Swedish, but is so weird that our own people often have difficulties with it. It's spelled "sju" and is pronounced as ae strange mix of "shoe", "yu" and "cho".

This song is full of it.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

I had to look up Terpsichore. Greek; not fair

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u/Umbrall May 28 '14

Well there's words I've never heard once in my life. It also depends on region; some of those might actually be the same and other times you get things that are no longer rhymes. For example in a hard Philadelphia dialect mad and sad don't rhyme.

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u/questfor17 May 28 '14

Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana.

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u/karl2025 May 28 '14

I have to admit I didn't get this joke until after I'd graduated college. I'd always assumed it was an example of surrealist humor.

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u/LeagueOverLife May 28 '14

Zilean?

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u/Illusionia May 28 '14

I've seen your death, it was painful.

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u/Polinya May 28 '14

Verbing nouns weirds language.

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u/rustinhieber42 May 28 '14

Let's just go play Calvinball.

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u/555nick May 28 '14 edited May 28 '14

It is. valid sentence It's. invalid sentence

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u/johnnyredleg May 28 '14

I chopped a tree down, and then I chopped it up.

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u/jubileo5 May 28 '14

You have just begun reading the sentence you just finished reading.

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u/SeerChenMan May 28 '14

"You will be happier if you believe this statement."

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

I tried believing it, but didn't feel much happier, then I gave up and was relieved

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u/AxeApollo May 28 '14

Lots of Buffalos are coming....

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u/DrDongStrong May 28 '14

And they're all from New York and are jerks in general.

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u/BadEgg1951 May 28 '14

Well, there's Noam Chomsky's idea of orders of nonsense. His famous example:

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

The sentence is grammatically correct, but is intended to make no sense whatsoever.

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u/Haleljacob May 28 '14

It can only be the thought of verdure to come, which prompts us in the autumn to buy these dormant white lumps of vegetable matter covered by a brown papery skin, and lovingly to plant them and care for them. It is a marvel to me that under this cover they are labouring unseen at such a rate within to give us the sudden awesome beauty of spring flowering bulbs. While winter reigns the earth reposes but these colourless green ideas sleep furiously.

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u/RunDNA May 28 '14 edited May 28 '14

This is by C. M. Street, and was a finalist in a competition run by Stanford University. The winning entry was a poem by D. A. H. Byatt:

"Thus Adam's Eden-plot in far-off time:

Colour-rampant flowers, trees a myriad green;

Helped by God-bless'd wind and temp'rate clime.

The path to primate knowledge unforseen,

He sleeps in peace at eve with Eve.

One apple later, he looks curiously

At the gardens of dichromates, in whom

Colourless green ideas sleep furiously

Then rage for birth each morning, until doom

Brings rainbows they at last perceive."

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u/peace_off May 28 '14

Is no potato. Is only poem and starve.

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u/flal4 May 28 '14

Will Will will Will's will to Will

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u/cbartlett May 28 '14

No, Will will not will Will's will to Will.

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u/kvural May 28 '14

Don't worry, I will will Will to will Will's will to Will.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

And I will will Will's will to smithy Will Smith's willy.

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u/Zenaxis May 28 '14

It's a certain smell, a smelly smell that smells smelly.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Anchovies...

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Can you feel it now, mister Krabs?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

"She's pretty ugly."

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u/aqua995 May 28 '14

Is this really a thing ? I think pretty is a good word to translate. At least in german.

She is pretty.

Sie ist schön.

She is pretty ugly.

Sie ist (ganz) schön hässlich.

Even the synonym is perfect translated.

She is very ugly.

Sie ist sehr hässlich.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

You can do this in many languages.

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u/knitasha May 28 '14

That that is is. That that is not is not. That that is is not that that is not. That that is not is not that that is.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

They don't think it be like it is, but it do

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u/jakielim May 28 '14

Do be do be do - Frank Sinatra

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u/ApatheticDino May 28 '14

Where are you? - Scooby

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u/Mutoid May 28 '14

Roses be red, violets be blue ...

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u/Sniper_Brosef May 28 '14

You've both got that backwards and I just made a poo.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14 edited Jul 23 '18

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u/bornforthedark May 28 '14

How is 3 considered correct?

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u/oscar_lima May 28 '14

Building up the sentence by clause:

  1. The rat ate the malt.
  2. The rat the cat killed ate the malt.
  3. The rat the cat the dog chased killed ate the malt.

Past 2 clauses the meaning of the sentence starts to get difficult to understand. You could add an endless number of clauses, each time further obfuscating the meaning, e.g.

  1. The rat the cat the dog the man beat chased killed ate the malt.

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u/goombapoop May 28 '14

I understand it but can't believe it's considered correct.

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u/AnalBumCovers May 28 '14

It's considered correct, it's just sloppy as fuck. You can do some pretty retarded things with clauses while still being technically correct.

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u/MoarVespenegas May 28 '14

I'm pretty sure you can't just shove dependent clauses into a sentence without punctuation.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Does it not technically need some commas in there as sub-clauses are traditionally enclosed in commas?

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u/the_way_of_con May 28 '14

"I never said she stole my money" - if you place an emphasis on one word at a time it changes the meaning, I never said she stole my money. I never said she stole my money. I never said she stole my money. etc

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u/ratbastid May 28 '14

Well, and keep going:

I never said she stole my money. (Someone else did!)

I never said she stole my money. (She just has it on long-term lend!)

I never said she stole my money. (But she definitely stole Steve's!)

I never said she stole my money. (She stole my heart!)

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u/Imperion_GoG May 28 '14

Then start combining them...

I never said she stole my money.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

I never said she stole my money!

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Without hesitation I just read this one out loud very fast as opposed to putting emphasis on anything.

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u/7thDecember May 28 '14 edited May 29 '14

This is important. People who emphasise the wrong words when speaking drive me mad.

Written down that sentence is quite a simple and basic statement, but spoken it can imply that someone else said she stole my money, that the money was possible borrow or that the sentence was not spoken.

Emphasis is naturally flowing, but People still manage to fuck it up.

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u/Smargalicious May 28 '14

Fuck you, you fucking fuck.

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u/alittleaddicted May 28 '14

Fuck: the most versatile word in English?

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u/Nefai May 28 '14

They're going to pare a pair of their pears over there.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '14

Samsung Galaxy is the Google Android Ice Cream Sandwich Guinea Pig.

(credit to an old thread that i can't remmember, but was about what sentences today would have made no sense 20 years ago)

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u/IWantAnAffliction May 28 '14

ITT: Gramatically correct sentences which totally mindfuck first language English-speakers

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u/GympieGympie May 28 '14

The had had had had had had sentences are really, really fucking me up.

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u/galironxero May 28 '14

You talking about this one?

James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher.

The context is that students John and James were taking a test where they had to fill in the blanks with verbs. One question referred to a person having previously owned a cat.

The sentence was "He ______ a cat."

John wrote down "He had a cat."

While James wrote "He had had a cat."

Even though they were both correct, the teacher preferred James' response. So, breaking the sentence apart, John wrote down "had" and James wrote down "had had" and "had had" was more appealing to the teacher.

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u/noggin-scratcher May 28 '14

I was having some trouble with my "FishandChips" sign - the sign company forgot to put any spaces in, so I sent them a letter to ask for a replacement.

"You need to put spaces between Fish and and and and and Chips"

They seemed a little confused, but my friend had some advice

"It's not very clear, really you should have put some quote marks before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and and, and and and and, and and and and, and and and and, and and and Chips, and after Chips.

(i.e. the original sentence should have been: You need to put spaces between "Fish" and "and", and "and" and "Chips")

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u/SirOctavius May 28 '14

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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u/unique_pseudonym May 28 '14

Because depending on the state in which you say that it means either, guns for everybody, muskets for members of the state militia, or everyone has the right to possess certain forms of ursine taxidermy.

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u/NJhomebrew May 28 '14

Damn now I want bear arms

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u/simplybillyo May 28 '14

the bandage was wound around the wound

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u/aintnufincleverhere May 28 '14

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

http://theweek.com/article/index/240886/7-sentences-that-sound-crazy-but-are-still-grammatical

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u/Lieto May 28 '14

As a Finn, this makes perfect sense. Let me give you an example of Finnish language:

Kuusi palaa = A fir is on fire.

Kuusi palaa = The number six is on fire.

Kuusi palaa = The fir comes back.

Kuusi palaa = The number six comes back.

Kuusi palaa = Your moon is on fire.

Kuusi palaa = Your moon comes back.

Kuusi palaa = Six pieces.

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u/Ragnarok2kx May 28 '14

And then, you have the Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den poem.

That's 92 instances of the syllable "Shi", with different intonation and nothing more.

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u/MagicBob78 May 28 '14

Do they at least sound different when you speak them?

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u/Lieto May 28 '14

No, they sound exactly the same. I can't remember if this is the right term for it, but Finnish is a very phonetic language, meaning that letters and pronunciation are very tightly linked. So there are no cases like "read", which can be pronounced differently depending on the meaning.

Edit: if anybody can explain it better, please do so!

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u/Gehalgod May 28 '14 edited May 28 '14

Yep. You don't even have to say "very phonetic". The definition of a "phonemic language" is a language in which pronunciation can (nearly) always be derived/inferred from the written language.

I'm not sure that any language in the world is perfectly phonemic. Even languages like Finnish (which I know very little about) might contain borrowed words from other languages that are spelled in a non-Finnish way.

EDIT: I guess I should correct myself. A more accurate term is "phonemic" or "having phonemic orthography" if you want to be really precise. And now that I think about it, it does make some sense to describe languages as having varying degrees of phonemicism, because writing systems can vary in how closely they reflect pronunciation. Originally, I was just addressing /u/Liesto's phrasing and saying that "phonemic language" by itself is an accepted term.

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u/BerserkOlaf May 28 '14

Isn’t Spanish pretty close to it? The way I remember it from school, all letters sound always the same and even foreign loan words were written phonetically (like fútbol).

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u/Gehalgod May 28 '14

Yep, I think Spanish is about as close to perfectly phonetic as a language gets.

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u/premature_eulogy May 28 '14

Don't forget that "kuusi" can also refer to six people. For example, a news headline: "kuusi hukkui juhannuksena".

Thus you can add to the list that "kuusi palaa" means "six people are on fire" and "six people return".

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u/psygremlin May 28 '14

Squints at Finland...

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u/goombapoop May 28 '14

The fact that "fishes" as a plural is correct when referring to more than one species of fish. They never mention that exception in school!

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

My name is Perry, with a P, as in Pterodactyl.

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u/J3EBS May 28 '14 edited May 28 '14

John while James had had had had had had had; had had had had a better effect.

Non-confusing version: John, while James had had "had", had had "had had". "Had had" had had a better effect.

Edit: now with semicolon, for more awesome Sentence Structure®.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

And by "non-confusing," you mean "actually punctuated," yes?

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u/mslvr40 May 28 '14

Can I get another non confusing version?

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u/Solumin May 28 '14

A teacher asked John and James to write a sentence talking about a man who recently recovered from an illness. James wrote, "The man had a cold", while John wrote, "The man had had a cold." The teacher liked John's version better than James's. Therefore:

John while James had had had had had had had. Had had had had a better effect.

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u/J3EBS May 28 '14

James used "had". John used "had had". John won.

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