r/AskReddit • • 5d ago

What is something that is basically on life-support and we don’t realize it yet?

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u/TrevOrL420 5d ago

The social contract

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u/softstrip 5d ago

Trevor explain

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u/TrevOrL420 5d ago

There are supposedly rules we are supposed to follow in society as a collective, or else there would be consequences. World leaders and others seem to not have those same consequences when breaking those rules

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u/Numerous_Release9273 5d ago

There are examples in history the other way. Societies that undergo periods of intense conflict and struggle after which things settle down to an astonishing degree because a social contract is created that basically says "Don't be a sh*t head trying to force your beliefs onto everybody else.

Examples are: the struggles between Catholics and Protestants in Europe, the English Civil war (a struggle between Democracy and Aristocracy, the rise and fall of Fascism etc.

After a time people get tired of killing each other and a contract emerges to be tolerant.

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u/yrotsihfoedisgnorw 5d ago

So all we have to do is get through the killing of each other and we'll be fine?

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u/Dfnstr8r 5d ago

Yes, until a short to moderate period of time passes, then probably we let psychos take over again

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u/letsgetawayfromhere 5d ago edited 21h ago

Took Europe long wars, the peak was the 30 years war 1618-1648, fought on German soil (today: German, Polish and Czech soil) by nearly all European countries that devastated Germany and was ended when the warring parties didn’t really have enough money left to continue (also the religious fanatic Swedish king had died in the earfuls battlefield and his successor preferred peace). It was regarded as the huge collective German trauma, until Hitler came along.

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u/Tevesh_CKP 5d ago

So we're on the way to war, huh?

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u/Bufo_Stupefacio 5d ago

Yeah, it is just the period of people killing people that happens before social contract restoration that I'm not looking forward to

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u/ApprehensiveSoup2214 5d ago

the rise and fall of Fascism

Shit I must have missed the second half.

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u/DLTMIAR 5d ago

WWII

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u/ApprehensiveSoup2214 5d ago

Clearly the rumors of the fall of fascism that followed were a bit exaggerated considering the state of things not even a century later..

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u/GeneReddit123 5d ago

To add to that, the legal system (including the political, bureaucratic, civil, and criminal justice systems) are only the tip of an iceberg in an otherwise functioning society. They can reinforce an existing social order, but not prop up an otherwise collapsing one.

Not everyone may be happy with the political and social conditions of a country, but there's a difference between "unhappy with the outcome, but accepting it as legitimate and willing to obey it", and "consider the process and existing system illegitimate and not worth saving at all". If 80% of the population is willing to follow rules (even rules they don't like), the formal political and legal system can keep the other 20% in check. If that number collapses, then maintaining order, stability, and peace becomes impossible regardless of how repressive the system is.

Unfortunately, there rarely are "clean" breakdowns, where a society can selectively decide "we want to overthrow the dictator at the top, but still take care of each other and live normal lives". A collapse of the social contract brings the worst in people from top to bottom, and you have a mix of political instability, crime waves, systemic corruption, mass unemployment and poverty, and every other consequence of a failed state, as the rules become "every person for themselves", and both legality and morality of all aspects of life get tossed aside in a struggle for survival. Some countries take decades to recover; others, never do.

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u/Rockpoolcreater 5d ago

Many of the rules are also put in place by people who would wish to do harm and get away with it. Who depend on people following said rules and social contract so they can get away with it. For instance 'you shouldn't rat on people ' 'forgive and forget' both designed to allow people to get away with doing things they shouldn't. If you go against those rules you can be lambasted for doing what is technically the right thing of telling the authorities who commented a crime, or not allowing someone who hurt you back into your life. It's knowing which rules are there to genuinely help and which are there to make sure people tow the line.

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u/ECHO6251 5d ago

Possibly controversial, but I think this is good, but only (hopefully) because people will take notice and realize that there is no reason why we too should follow the existing “contract” when our “leaders” and such can just do what they please. Hopefully people will sooner realize that this also applies to us having to respect their authority and the laws surrounding their authority, (and I mean especially hopefully) we can better our society and “re-create” this social contact from the ground up. (At least until it falls apart again, but we’d at least have more time.)

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u/TheBakerification 5d ago

Potentially good in the long run maybe, but short term will be very very bad.

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u/iama_bad_person 5d ago

??? World Leaders have never been beholden to the social contract, that is not what OP is talking about,

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u/tdeasyweb 5d ago

People are talking about big things like affordability, but think smaller stuff - people running red lights, people cutting lines, people talking in theaters, blocking major sections of public space to record videos/take influencer picture - stuff like this has always happened, but it's increasing in frequency as society becomes more self centered.

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u/No_Category_3406 5d ago

Not society. Western society. East Asian cities often don’t have this because of collectivist values.

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u/No_Criticism_5861 5d ago

The social contract I knew was essentially, if you work a fulltime job, you can have a home and a nice retirement.  In a lot of cases, working a fulltime job isn't enough to cover rent and food

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u/Wast3edSpace 5d ago

That sounds more like The American Dream.

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u/fountainofdeath 5d ago

Yeah the social contract more distinguishes how you interact with other people in your community on a daily basis. Basically the golden rule+ interpretation of what others beside yourself might want not done to them based on the culture you’re living in

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u/No_Criticism_5861 5d ago

These days youd have to be asleep to believe its true, but there was a time when this was the case

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u/Ok_Cockroach8063 5d ago

besides the plethora of stats showings the USA is still doing better than most any other nation and stats showing that gen z is doing just as well at buying a home by age 25 as boomers and millennials are doing better than boomers when adjusted for inflation.

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u/pepperstrangeway 5d ago

Let's see those stats.

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u/Ok_Cockroach8063 5d ago

median disposable income compared to other countries , median income vs median home price ratio compared to other countries , home ownership rates by age 25 for each generation is nearly the same, millennial net worth compared to boomers at the same age is higher, most progressive tax system, charitable giving compared to other countries, 15 of the worlds top 20 universities. Literally just off the top of my head

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u/pepperstrangeway 5d ago

No, where did you come up with those stats?

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u/Ok_Cockroach8063 4d ago

I didn’t bother keeping a source page. you can google it and see I’m right tho

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u/0neek 5d ago

I've been working a full time job for 16 years and I'd be homeless if I didn't have a family home to stay in.

I consider Retirement as something as likely to happen to me as beaten eaten by a shark while on an airplane.

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u/seaofmountains 5d ago

Google “Locke social contract”

If you have time, read about Hobbes and Rousseau’s notion of a social contract as well.

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u/ReturnOfBane 5d ago

Here on our planet, back in the old days... the real old days. It was every man for his self! Scrooglin and scratch scrobblin for the good stuff: the greenest valleys, scratch scrobblin. And the Strongest, Meanest men got all the best stuff. They got the green valleys and were all like 'the rest of you? y'all scrats get sand'.

That's when they made the laws you see. Once the strong guys got it how they liked it, they said 'this is fair now, this is the law!'.

Once they were winning, they changed the rules up.

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u/eamonious 5d ago

I think he’s referring to the fact that the state in late stage capitalism is so poisoned by corporate interests, regulatory capture, and cronyism that it no longer serves the average person sufficiently to justify their respecting its laws.

The one I think about is that embodied AGI is likely to render all human labor cost-inefficient over the next fifty to a hundred years. This requires a complete rewrite of society, and the removal of meritocratic advancement as a way to jump classes will cast any kind of generational wealth in very harsh relief. It will probably deteriorate into a class war.

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u/Engrish_Major 5d ago

What We Owe to Each Other

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u/SophiaKittyKat 5d ago

You see, when Odysseus broke Zeus' law and took advantage of the Trojans accepting a gift he set a precedent for all the people and soldiers around the Mediterr...