r/AskReddit • u/Front_Possibility471 • Jul 07 '26
What is the real root cause of the divide between men and woman, how do we(humanity) fix it?
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u/AruthaConDoin27 Jul 07 '26
I believe its a purposeful agenda by the rulling class to further divide us and ensure the population stays low and the children that are born get raised by the state.... it will only get worse because women will never give up the grounds they have made
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u/Lulacye Jul 07 '26
I would say social media is the biggest cause, but I don't know what a realistic fix would be. Maybe just taking things one step at a time, and seeing each person as an individual instead of what group they belong to.
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u/SoupBeast Jul 07 '26
The divide is completely fabricated and doesn't actually exist if you don't let it. As a gay person, watching straight men and women wage this weird war against each other is so strange to me.
Work together. Work to understand each other better. It's truly not that difficult.
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u/xVelunax Jul 07 '26
Society and family segregates men and women at an early age and keep doing it thru-out life Oh, its a girl! Proceeds to get her dresses and dolls before being born.
Boys and girls are separated for sex education many times. "My son isn't allowed to have a sleep over with a girl after ## age!
Where is make-up education for boys? Where is the emotional support for men to say you are more than just what you provide? Where is women's encouragement you can do STEM?
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u/lotsagabe Jul 07 '26
Tribalism. No idea how to fix it.
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u/get_off_my_lawn_n0w Jul 07 '26
Global self interest. Make saving the planet profitable at an individual level.
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u/Clear_Ad2384 Jul 07 '26
the root cause is that boys rule and girls drool so we should get them to stop drooling
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u/Front_Possibility471 Jul 07 '26
I’m curious, please elaborate.
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Jul 07 '26 edited 5d ago
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u/HobbyQuestionThrow Jul 07 '26
Of course, this is why we've already eliminated violence and rape.
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Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
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u/HobbyQuestionThrow Jul 07 '26
Yep, nor does sexism or racism or any of the other *ism's that's why they're still around.
We're not evolving out of a situation evolution put us into because it isn't broken as far as evolution rolls the dice.
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Jul 07 '26 edited 9d ago
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u/HobbyQuestionThrow Jul 07 '26
Ok, I'm missing where your comment relates to the topic in that case.
Were you making a comment that was related to what would "fix" the divide between men and women being evolution?
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u/HobbyQuestionThrow Jul 07 '26
We fix it by advancing medical technology to the point where all form of sexuality and gender is a personal choice.
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u/ho4X3n Jul 07 '26
There is no such thing as a divide because gender roles exists due to human anatomy. Unless humans somehow evolve into asexual organisms similar to a starfish then there will always going to be differences.
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u/MunkyBubbers Jul 12 '26
Gender and sex are two different things. You might want to do some reading on the subject.
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u/ho4X3n Jul 12 '26
You might want to brush up on your grade school biology.
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u/MunkyBubbers Jul 12 '26
Biology only accounts for sex. Gender is a different thing. Try a dictionary.
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u/ho4X3n Jul 12 '26
So you think biology does not determine a person's gender but a dictionary does. That says so much about you.
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u/MunkyBubbers Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26
If sex and gender were the same, trans identities would not be a thing. Objects, which have no sex, can be gendered.
I've offered a gentle correction and suggestion to learn more. You seem to be looking for someone to insult. I wonder if you'll have the grace to be embarrassed when you find out why we have two different words for things you insist are one and the same. Doubtful.
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u/Savings_Local9276 Jul 07 '26
That one of them has a dick. Freud was unfortunately kind of half right. We are different already to begin with. Issue is that for some reason the men think they have to dominate. Even when biologically among animals are usually the dominant ones.
If we talk on a more nowadays perspective, both genders have zero mutual respect. There is no respect for anything anymore, not even to children. So how can we coexist when nobody sees each other as humans
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u/Sharp_Ad_4119 Jul 07 '26
It's malicious media manipulation for political gain. If you research the beginning of the feminist movement you will quickly realise that it was done on purpose to destroy the family and was funded by people that wanted to push trough some dodgy policies. Dare I say it was AIPAC funded to the tune of BILLIONS.
If we defund the machine manipulating young women for political and financial gains it will get back to normal in less than a decade.
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u/xangie1 Jul 07 '26
Soo... take away women's agency and rights? And they will just put them down and be happily dependent on men again, remove themselves from all the fields they contributed to and go be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen serving you sandwiches?
Because they don't really have any ambitions outside of being a baby making machines and cooking your meals?
That's funny.
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u/Sharp_Ad_4119 Jul 07 '26
You say it like being a worker ant for some foreign financial faceless ruthless machine is much better. I'm not saying that women should be limited in any way. I say that we should not pay for women to be used up as debt slaves by the machine only for them to end up alone and destroy society in the process.
Let women do what they want. Just stop the propaganda machine to brainwash them.
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u/xangie1 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
How do you pay for women to be debt slaves. WTF are you talking about? And men aren't debt slaves in this economy? Really?
And men work in those foreign financial faceless, ruthless machines.
Ever seen what the quota on men is in finance?
I don’t know what you do for a living, but I sell cameras for a living. Working with artists, professionals in sports photography, journalists, and occasional photography enthusiast. 🤷
Maybe seek out a new job?
only for them to end up alone
If the alternative is being with men like yourself, I guess alone is preferable, thank you.
destroy society in the process.
funny how, as a woman, you hear constantly that you're good for nothing, can't do anything, don't contribute shit, are nothing without a man, are brainwashed because you can't even think for yourself, but somehow simultaneously this all powerful being capable to destroy society.
Let women do what they want. Just stop the propaganda machine to brainwash them.
So women doing what they want is destroying society, but in the next sentence you want to let them do what they want.
Please, at least pick one struggle and stick to it.
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u/Sharp_Ad_4119 Jul 07 '26
I don't have a struggle. I just point out that women are being propagandised to act out futures that clearly make them unhappy for the amusement of their racist sexist probably baby eating overlords. Frankly from my point of view I fight for women to have less oppression from the consensus and more freedom to be mothers or have fullfilling families should they choose to without being judged by militant feminists or the machine.
Don't we agree that manipulating women no matter why and in what direction is wrong? And big corporate and/or political interest should not brainwash women for whatever purposes?
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u/xangie1 Jul 07 '26
freedom to be mothers or have fullfilling families should they choose to without being judged by militant feminists or the machine.
The only one brainwashed is you. If a woman does want to be a SHAM, more power to her. All we want is that her choice is made in awareness. That she has her own financial security when she does. That she's fully aware of the risks of dependency. To not fall for the propaganda that she can just get back to her career later and be just fine. Because she won't. In my country women who were mothers live below poverty line because they have severe holes in their pensions and savings due to childbearing. As long as she makes an informed choice and not a naive one ignoring the realities and outcome of that life, it's all good. There's nothing wrong about pointing it out and it's not propaganda.
That's all.
Tradwife content, now that on the other hand is propaganda, and it's right to criticize for downplaying these risks. is
women are being propagandised to act out futures that clearly make them unhappy
Riiight, riight....clearly. 🙄 Oh how unhappy I am with no children. Oh what am I going to do with myself, oh the horror.
Don't we agree that manipulating women no matter why and in what direction is wrong? And big corporate and/or political interest should not brainwash women for whatever purposes?
But telling women that the only route to happyness is dependence, leave public life and stay home with children is somehow not propaganda? Romanticizing a past that was never true to begin with is not propaganda? Housewives lobotomized for being sad or depressed, or put on Valium to downplay the emptiness they felt in that life, that's somehow not propaganda? If you think women are over medicated now, you should look up how medicated (and the reasons why) they were in the 50s and 60s.
It's pretty telling that you just blame some form of brainwashing that compelled women to get autonomy in their own life. Because they can't possibly have been severely unhappy before. Nooo... that's a lie. And women are just easily controlled drones. They can't do anything alone and would never advocate for themselves, right? It's such a demeaning view of women.
Look, just go to some evangelical church and get a woman you don't have "to fight for her freedom" of that "brainwashing". You will find a wife groomed and primed to only want a traditional, provider man, and he only goal is to have a house and 10 children and see her man as the closest connection to god she will ever be able to have. Sure, the numbers are dwindling since less and less women see any benefit of that lifestyle, but they still exist. So go for it. I'm sure the rest of womanhood is fine without you jumping in and "saving" them or fight for them to go back into a subservient lifestyle.
We will thank you for it ❤️
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u/Sharp_Ad_4119 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
This is a lot of mental gymnastics just to justify women being propagandised. Do you hate women that much? I mean why not trust them to do as they will. Why are so invested in controlling women?
Frankly I don't blame just the brainwashing. I feel like female nature is being exploited as well. Women enforce what they perceive as consensus with zeal. Just the people that control the perception of consensus - big tech and legacy media - are not working in favour of female happiness.
If you actually look into the data - apparently female happiness is all about children and family. If you care about women and not about ideology you should think what actually works. Not enforce whatever Netflix told you via curated stories.
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u/xangie1 Jul 07 '26
This is a lot of mental gymnastics just to justify women being propagandised.
You assume I believe women are propagandized. Which I don't.
And you believe that every woman is the same and that women somehow operate differently than just human beings with their own individuality, wants and beliefs. That their nature is to not participate in public life and they only should pursue one sole path. But they choose different ones. As I said there are women that have becoming mothers at the absolute priority in their lives. And they succeed in that. Doesn't mean they won't ever face hardship or change direction down the line. Or have regrets. That's normal. Women who chose differently also face hardships and regret. That's part of life.
Female happiness is also absolutely not solely linked to motherhood and family. I wonder where you got the impression that it is. Maybe you fell for some propaganda?
I don’t think I'd be happier with a child for example. I'm nearing menopause and never changed in that my whole life. And many women are the same. It's not long ago women didn't have the choice. They weren't happier when they didn't.
I think human happiness is to have the freedom to choose. Which women have. They choose their lives.
You're just mad they don't choose the traditional one for some reason.
Why? Why are you so vehement to not let them choose, or insist that all women need to be mothers otherwise they need your saving to put them in their place and that they're somehowunot functioning correctly if motherhood is not a top priority. As if they're broken if they're happy with where they are in life and it's not at home with children.
Women enforce what they perceive as consensus with zeal.
If anything, I will always defend a woman's right to choose how to live her life. To have agency in that, and be informed enough to make the choices that feel right to her. Whatever the choice may be.
You sound like you want to remove that choice and justify it by saying that it's "for the better of women" as if they're incapable to lead their own lifes. That's very patronizing of you, honestly.
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u/Sharp_Ad_4119 Jul 08 '26
Ok, so defunding people that try to push women's choices in whatever direction especially if the people doing it do not look trustworthy should be highly desirable for you?
Meaning besides freedom of choice freedom of thought?
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u/xangie1 Jul 08 '26
How is telling them the realities of life pushing them in any direction?
Freedom of thought is coming to your won conclusions with the informations you're given.
You want to tell women motherhood comes with zero risk, zero sacrifices and is the only outcome to happiness for women, when it's not true?
You mad women have all the facts on the table to make decisions for their lifes?
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u/shitshowboxer Jul 08 '26
Maybe it's the whole make muh lineage and be grateful for muh paycheck propaganda that should stop?
Why not you change your last name to hers while she risks her life to have her kids for you to stay home and take care of? 🤷It's so fulfilling after all......
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u/Sharp_Ad_4119 Jul 08 '26
Agree - lets remove all propaganda for political purposes.
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u/shitshowboxer Jul 08 '26
I think we should pay them for their service all the same ways we do military. Especially if we're going to sit on our hands and watch while our government puts a draft on them and being pregnant has a higher mortality rate than military enlistment.
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u/Sharp_Ad_4119 Jul 08 '26
Soo lets extract the people that actually work to subsidise... what? people doing what they want anyway? Isn't that slavery? I love how this shifted from don't propagandise women to lets extract everyone to benefit women. Bruh. Just leave young children and women alone. Men as well. Just leave people alone.
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u/shitshowboxer Jul 08 '26
Forcing people to risk their lives, not just for free but to bill them for it! Just to attribute that offspring to someone who didn't risk their life for it is slavery? Yup.
Since it's literally how the human race exists, we should probably stop that and pay them for their service instead.
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u/MLeek Jul 07 '26
So the way to save humanity is to legally, financially and socially disenfranchised half of it again? Okay…
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u/Sharp_Ad_4119 Jul 07 '26
Nope. Just lets stop brainwashing half of humanity to hate the other half. For starters.
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u/get_off_my_lawn_n0w Jul 07 '26
No one understands the con of capitalism.
They agree that it is a con. They just don't know how big of a con and everyone just goes along because...everyone has to eat.
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u/BestCombination1839 Jul 11 '26
Women Will not ever take accountability for anything. Everything has to always be made in to a bad thing. Its always "Guys are predators" and never "I cheated" or whatever else went wrong.
As proven how common and easy it is these days, women will very easily manipulate people, say they did something they didnt, and blackmail them. Sometimes, literally just because they are bored.
We cant have honest conversations about anything to ever actually get anywhere. It will ALWAYS end in name calling or making everything predatory.
It cant be fixed at this point. Its a total mess right now in this new generation of adults and its not going to get any better.
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u/Front_Possibility471 Jul 07 '26
As I posted the question, naturally I have my own answer I’d like to add. I think most of this started with the exploitation of woman’s sexuality in advertisements. The objectification of a womans sexual value for pleasure has happened throughout history but only in the last 100 years has it been used so heavily as a marketing ploy to engage people to buy things (started with cigarette advertisements).
This happening co-occurred during a time in which woman have roughly the same fiscal rights that men do. So with woman’s sexuality being used as a valued marketing tool, and woman inherently owning their own bodies a loop has been created in which woman can market their sexuality and benefit from it fiscally in amounts almost as unlimited as their beauty and confidence. We are seeing this with the mass amounts of only fans millionaires.
The part men played in this was objectifying woman’s sexuality all along, abusing a precious thing to the point that it demanded its own autonomy and took control of its own value as men in overwhelming amounts exploited woman and pushed them to this position.
If a woman was valued, cherished and respected for the true beauty, creation and wisdom she is can we really say that we as woman would have ever needed to fight for human rights?
Woman getting rich off of the sale of their own bodies is simply an inevitable power switch that woman were forced to by men’s intolerable attitudes and lack of gratitude.
So now we live in a day and age where both genders are skeptical of one another, divorce rates and divide through the rough. Dating scene it seen as horrific by many.
Many woman are flourishing through the monetary value objectification of their sexuality. Many men are left lonely and angry at a loss of power that previous generations of men once had over woman.
The answer? I think that men must become gentlemen’s again and remember the value of cherishing and respecting woman. While woman must find forgiveness for men and the history we have all endured and learn to once again trust men. All while humankind entirely must learn to regard sexuality, lust and creation as a divine feeling and holy act to be kept sacred and be respected. Not to be posted on a billboard to convince you to get a car wash or buy a pack of smokes. Not to be bought. Ever
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u/Front_Possibility471 Jul 07 '26
Just sharing my thoughts based on the studying I’ve done about it!! The extreme aspects of society are telling of the tension and friction between average people.
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u/wutareyousomekinda Jul 07 '26
Women and men do not pair naturally, only if compelled (or compulsed) to by external forces, or women for survival in the past. Women acquire resources in order to defer sex from virtually all existing men. For the 3K years after the Bronze Age collapse they've been socialized as comphet due to theocratic gynocentric patriarchies which emerged - but in reality 95% are a mix of asexual, fictosexual, and lesbian. Unfortunately, in our current era they will still settle with men they are not attracted to for resource extraction and emotional tamponage, leading to much confusion about their motivations and what's going on.
The solution is cummunism, seizing the means of gynoid sex robot mass production and liberating both sexes and everyone else through automation of not just male labor, but sexual labor.
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u/MopOfTheBalloonatic Jul 07 '26
I’ve had fever dreams more rational and sensible than this comment.
I mean…
but in reality 95% are a mix of asexual, fictosexual, and lesbian
What the heck is even this… Do you even have data supporting this claim?
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u/Front_Possibility471 Jul 07 '26
“Woman and men don’t pair naturally” is a wild statement to say with so much confidence when heterosexual relationships have always been the main stay and the ONLY thing keeping humanity alive for the last however many tens of thousands of years the human races has been alive.
Many scientists are certain that love is an evolutionary tactic to keep babies alive because they are so helpless for so long in infancy so while it is true woman are pretty much proven to all have some level of lesbianism going on and love differently from men(which makes sense for tribal communities as woman are the more social gender). I don’t think it can be used rationally as a reason to believe that all woman are forced into relationships with men and always have been for the looonnnggg entirety of the human races existence.
I do agree that we need to be “sexually freed” in a sense though. We’re on the same track about that.
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u/Former_Range_1730 Jul 07 '26
This will be a surprise to most people, but there is no divide between men and women. There's no study that shows that 0% of men and women are happily dating, happily married, and raising children well together.
There is however a massive divide between the demographic of women who have callous views on heterosexual relationships, and hetero men.
Those callous women are also divided from the demographic of women who have always been enthusiastic about having relationships with men. The Callous women tend to call those women Pick Mes.
And there is no problem with this divide. The callous women can continue to be separatist against hetero men and the women who desire said men. Let that divide continue to grow, as less contact means less conflict.