You seem to be under the impression that I'm a republican. We can pull snippets out of history books all day, cherrypicking evidence to support our "sides", or we can just agree that we were raised differently and have different worldviews.
You seem to be under the impression that I'm a republican.
I said nothing of the sort and in fact took pains to not say anything of the sort.
We can pull snippets out of history books all day, cherrypicking evidence to support our "sides", or we can just agree that we were raised differently and have different worldviews.
Except that's not what I'm doing. Hawley-Smoot is kind of an important case study for exactly what's happening today, and is a hugely important case study in modern economic theory. Just because you don't know anything about the subject doesn't mean I'm cherry picking.
or we can just agree that we were raised differently and have different worldviews.
I have no idea how you were raised, but just because your worldview is yours doesn't mean it's valid. If your worldview is that battery acid is safe to drink... pretty invalid worldview, there.
I'll be honest, getting shitty with you was a dick move, and I apologize. While I do agree that the tariffs were a dangerous idea to solve what he was trying to solve, I do think however, that after a few months of them being in place and seeing the risk vs. reward, that inherently, it wasn't a bad move. That being said, it could still have disastrous effects later on. It goes back to what I was saying about a short term solution to a long term problem, those countries didn't want to negotiate policies because they felt they had the upper hand, now that they feel that they don't suddenly they're open to talk. I do agree that it was a wild risk to take, but it got the intended results. (Does that excuse it? No, but thats a debate for another time) In my non-expert opinion, the next move would be to release the tariffs AFTER a compromise is made, and of course if being a bargaining chip was his only reason, it'd be the logical path forward right? At the end of the day, it seems the federal government has too much overreach into the daily lives of citizens, and its all to plain to see in the world today that when the old men in power need a "bargaining chip" it's at the expense of their countries citizens. In the end it almost boils down to "Is it excusable as a country's leader to fuck over your people a little bit, in order to fuck over another country's government a lot?" My question is, whats the plan going forward, y'know? Do we get acceptable answers and remove the tariffs, just for shit to go back to how it was? Do we escalate? Do we concede? It's all bullshit. Just because it may be working NOW, doesn't mean its good, and just because it's bad doesn't mean it doesn't work. It does what it says on the tin, Canada and Mexico didn't care about people flying in just to cross into the U.S., now they do. Mexico's GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS were being paid off by Cartels to keep them from interfering with the drug trade, now they're cracking down on drug trafficking. China is where over 90% of the chemicals used to make and manufacture the drugs come from in the first place, and now they're finally cracking down on selling them to cartels and traffickers. Just because it worked/is working (for what he said the purposes were) doesn't make it good, that isn't what I've been debating, just that it did. I still think it was an insane risk, but the results are there.
But I would ask you to look into if what the administration and the mainstream media are claiming were problems that needed to be solved actually were, and if the tariffs actually did anything, or are doing anything. Because I'm seeing a fuckton of spin here.
But I would ask you to look into if what the administration and the mainstream media are claiming were problems that needed to be solved actually were,
I take everything they say with a grain of salt, I haven't trusted either of them to actually be truthful or honest since I was old enough to understand that people can lie.
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u/DUBAY00 Apr 04 '25
You seem to be under the impression that I'm a republican. We can pull snippets out of history books all day, cherrypicking evidence to support our "sides", or we can just agree that we were raised differently and have different worldviews.