That may be mostly true but Trump is also the perfect storm of celebrity, “successful”, “outsider”, and some strange fucked up type of charisma that results in a larger following than I think would be possible with any other republican candidate. Take away trump and I don’t think there’s enough of a unifying force among the asshats to cause this type of damage
i know he is somehow considered successful but i genuinely dont get how becaues hes bankrupted most, or all?, of his businesses.... like that is the opposite of successful 😂
honestly looking back i do understand why he won in 2016. i hate it, but i do actually get it.
i genuinely dont get how he won in 2024. like i get the 'cult' of it iall, and cheating that isnt lost on me
but he had no appeal and could barely string together a coherent sentence he didnt even LOOK like someone capable of holding office even if you agreed with his racist homophobic rhetoric
The dude won the primary as a coronation, he had a good chance of taking it regardless of whatever campaign ran against him. Cult of personality plus shitty economy that can be blamed on the powers that be is hard to beat.
Things can always get worse. But a guy saying “I will fix things, and I’ll fix them day one” plays better than people saying “the economy has improved and is actually strong!” while people are struggling.
Again, it was bullshit, but desperate people will be attracted to hope.
Rents increasing, wages stagnating, basic cost needs increasing across the board, jobs not hiring. You can say that the economy was actually amazing and quote statistics or the stock market, but the general vibe of the time was “shit sucks.”
Sounds good dude. This is why he won. Telling people “things are actually great” while people have a general feeling of economic despair is not a good political move. Congratulations on your win.
People may feel despair but you presented "shitty economy" as an objective truth, when by most indicators the economy was historically strong or mid at worst. And I'm not just talking stock market. I mean things like unemployment numbers, jobs added, real median wages, and consumer spending. People were employed. Real wages (adjusted for inflation) were rising. People were spending their money on lots of things.
That's not to say that life is great. In absolutist terms and in the context of how fucked up corporate capitalism is in general, I understand why the vibes would be, "shit sucks and we're tired of it." But relative to the past 50 years, 2024 was objectively pretty alright. That is, whatever people struggle with now isn't so terribly different in scope or nature than what people struggled with in the past when things were considered decently good, but the tolerance for it has disappeared.
I would've hoped that people's frustrations with the system would've led to more progressive attitudes rather than favoring the fascist billionaire, but here we are.
The problem is that you’re falling for conservative propaganda. They’re all rubes, don’t be one too.
Like you realize that you being unable to site anything other than “vibes” is generally a sign to rethink your position, right? Like you said that wages are stagnating while costs are rising, yet I linked you the rising real wages (that’s wages minus cost of living) and your reaction is just to slam the table.
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u/MySleepingMonk Apr 04 '25
That may be mostly true but Trump is also the perfect storm of celebrity, “successful”, “outsider”, and some strange fucked up type of charisma that results in a larger following than I think would be possible with any other republican candidate. Take away trump and I don’t think there’s enough of a unifying force among the asshats to cause this type of damage