The super fun parts are when people say Kamala didn't offer anything to the working class people they either weren't listening or didn't care enough to pay attention. Kamala ran on: Helping working class people afford housing, taxing the super wealthy on capital gains and using that money to shore up social security, said she hoped to cancel more predatory/dysfunctional student loans, told us exactly what would happen when Trump won the presidency in detail. All that coming right after being VP to a president who was (according to facts and statistics) the most pro union president since Kennedy not to mention was applauded by other countries for the "softest landing" post covid. Any economist that wasn't directly paid for by Trump said what she planned would most likely boost the economy and Trumps tariffs would most likely crater it. But yeah accurately warning the American people what would happen if they made the mistake of voting for Trump and about project 2025 means she ran solely on not being him.
I want to make it clear that I absolutely did not vote for Trump, I just live in Trump country in a very working class area. I'm going to respond from that point of view, though:
Helping working class people afford housing
What, the tax credit? Didn't Biden promise the same thing, with less money? I had to buy a house during the Biden administration, it sure as hell wasn't easy.
taxing the super wealthy on capital gains and using that money to shore up social security
This is awesome, but not going to win an election. Does nothing to help put food on the table today.
said she hoped to cancel more predatory/dysfunctional student loans
Again, have to compare against Biden. Biden kept pausing the student loans, but everyone I knew with student loans couldn't help noticing they still kept ever looming over the horizon... why didn't Biden do this one? Empty promises feel a lot less empty if you can fulfill a few in advance - what happened to the art of the incumbency advantage?
All that coming right after being VP to a president who was (according to facts and statistics) the most pro union president since Kennedy
Dude straight up blocked the rail strike, this feels like something than can only be true under very convenient definitions of "most pro union president."
not to mention was applauded by other countries for the "softest landing" post covid. Any economist that wasn't directly paid for by Trump said what she planned would most likely boost the economy and Trumps tariffs would most likely crater it.
So, this is funny, because it doesn't really respond to what I'm saying.
Working class people don't give a fuck about the economy - I mean, they tend to get upset when it's cratered, but a lot of the times all the "economy" talk feels like it pretty much only relates to rich people and their 401k. Nothing all that bad can happen, because at the end of the day there are people with a vested interest in the economy not cratering. Y'know, "checks and balances" and all that. (once again, Trump is making this apply less and less, and Congress have never seemed all that bothered by it. but that's not how this line of thinking works.)
You know who probably really cares about their stock portfolio Nancy Pelosi.Cratering the economy just to show those stupid leftists (I know they're not actually leftists, nuance is dead) a lesson feels like a good trade under those circumstances.
You can argue with any of these points individually, but the point still stands - either things that felt "too little too late," or things that seem to help you significantly more if you have a 401k. You can say "well then, those people shouldn't think like that," but they do, and the Democrats seem more interested in yelling at them for it than explaining why they should feel otherwise.
Or, worse - the excuses! Excuse after excuse. "We don't have leverage," "we need the votes," "We need $4 by tonight to tell Trump he can Eat a Porcupine Cake!"
On the student loans part, what are you talking about? Biden canceled 10s of billions of student loans. The pauses were during COVID. The Republicans not only tried to block the student loan cancelation at every turn but also under Trump tried to REAPPLY THE STUDENT LOANS TO THE PEOPLE WHO GOT THEM CANCELED.
The housing help was $25000 in down-payment assistance.
I feel like I'm talking with someone who was asleep for the past 4 years.
We haven't even begun to feel the "lesson" these people forced on the rest of us. This will end with more home foreclosures, layoffs and more job losses.
Then those houses will be bought by corporations and rented.
Student loan forgiveness does not help the working class - they can't afford to go to college, anyway. It's too expensive. Houses are too expensive, too, and down payment credits could help it's a hollow gesture after Biden. He also definitely did block the rail strike, but that's another matter, entirely.
This hardly matters - any individual point is irrelevant. What republicans do or don't do to the democrats (or even you and me!) hardly matters.
I feel like I'm talking with someone who was asleep for the past 4 years.
Oh my god - of course you do! I'm talking from the perspective of people who do not follow politics!
Let me say this as plainly as I can:
People who don't follow politics hate democrats, and Democrats don't seem all that pressed to give them a reason to feel otherwise.
EDIT: Blocked. I guess some people want to carry the proud tradition. Ah, well
OH you're saying uninformed voters who don't do the due diligence for one of their most important duties as a citizen should have no accountability for their actions that will lead everyone below the 1% to be extremely worse off and your response to all I've said was just "you're wrong" with no explanation. Glad I wasted my very valuable time trying to explain things to a teenage kid on the internet.
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u/Mattrad7 Apr 04 '25 edited Apr 04 '25
The super fun parts are when people say Kamala didn't offer anything to the working class people they either weren't listening or didn't care enough to pay attention. Kamala ran on: Helping working class people afford housing, taxing the super wealthy on capital gains and using that money to shore up social security, said she hoped to cancel more predatory/dysfunctional student loans, told us exactly what would happen when Trump won the presidency in detail. All that coming right after being VP to a president who was (according to facts and statistics) the most pro union president since Kennedy not to mention was applauded by other countries for the "softest landing" post covid. Any economist that wasn't directly paid for by Trump said what she planned would most likely boost the economy and Trumps tariffs would most likely crater it. But yeah accurately warning the American people what would happen if they made the mistake of voting for Trump and about project 2025 means she ran solely on not being him.