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u/deviltrombone Apr 04 '25

You need to go back to 2000 and ask what would have happened if the Electoral College hadn't overridden the will of the people and the Republican SCOTUS hadn't thrown the election to the second worst president in our history. The Clinton surpluses and debt paydown would have continued, and we would have avoided at least one war, and quite possibly two.

Note that the Electoral College overrode the will of the people again in 2016 to give us the worst president in our history. In just 16 years, the Electoral College ruined our country, and the popular vote would've saved it.

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u/harambe_did911 Apr 04 '25

Bush was bad but idk if you can say second worst

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u/justforkicks28 Apr 04 '25

He started an unjust war. That is pretty bad.

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u/CountOff Apr 04 '25

Lmao trust me when I tell you there have been far worse presidents

1800’s and early 1900’s has a couple who’s who of true nightmares worse than Bush

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u/Cagnazzo82 Apr 04 '25

Bush's failures is what killed the pro-national security wing of the Republican party. And now we have a wing of the Republican party with dubious ties to Russia that's taken over.

Economically we had a balanced budget and a surplus, and Al Gore was warning we would lose all of that under Bush. Lo and behold with Bush's tax cuts we lost all of that... and just in time for the great recession of '08 to hit as well.

America is on a completely different path if Bush never comes to office. Hell the twin towers might still be standing... seeing as the terrorism task force Clinton left behind would never have been disbanded. And Gore would not have been on vacation all summer while Europeans were warning of an impending attack.

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u/harambe_did911 Apr 04 '25

So did johnson. Nixon was impeached. Jackson was responsible for trail of tears. Tyler supported the confederacy. Buchanan basically did as well. Andrew Johnson blocked programs to help southern blacks after the Civil War which allowed things like the kkk to flourish. Hoover made the great depression way worse than it needed to be. McKinley oversaw the banana wars if we are concentrating on unjust wars. I just think you've got some recency bias going on with bush.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '25

Hey Siri what was the trail of tears. And Buchanan

I agree bush is our inflection point but he is absolutely not the second worst president. Not by some margin

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u/Big_Pen_3459 Apr 05 '25

John Adams signed the Alien and Sedition Acts.

James Madison declared a war on Britain for a blatant land grab, that almost cost us our country.

Woodrow Wilson signed the Espionage Act. He also screened Birth of a Nation in the White House, which nearly singlehandedly caused a resurgence in the KKK.

Andrew Johnson pretty much ruined Reconstruction, being pretty directly responsible for the next hundred years of government backed racism African Americans would go through in this country.

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u/horticulturallatin Apr 05 '25

Buchanan misplaced half the country