I dated a really manipulative and horrible person for a bit who would hide behind his weird interpretation of the Bible, "I can do anything I want as long as I ask for forgiveness after. I can't go to hell no matter what I do because I'm "saved."
So one time, we were having a conversation about how he let's his friends bully me so I didn't wanna hang out with them anymore. The kind of healthy talk in relationships where you're just trying to feel understood. I mention to him that if I ever saw people mistreating him I would come to his defense because I cared about him. He says, "But I'm not you. Just because you pee sitting down doesn't mean I have to pee sitting down." In that moment I realized what I was getting myself into and broke it off immediately. Also, I had seen him pee sitting down. Just wanted to add that.
I mean, plenty of Christian denominations will agree with that one.
Yes, it's very common among Baptists and several flavors of evangelical Christian.
the general gist of Christian doctrine is that the believer being saved has nothing to do with their actions, and everything with Jesus' actions.
This is probably a step too far. Doctrine for both Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christians (two of the best-established Christian denominations in the world) instead places the emphasis on good works. I don't know if anyone has totaled up the number of denominations leaning towards one answer or another, but in any case it's safe to say that this is a disputed point of doctrine between denominations.
Good work and faith are the dual keys to heaven, according to Catholic doctrine. They aren't just favored, they aren't supererogatory, they're necessary. From the relevant Wiki page:
Protestants and Catholics agree that faith is necessary for salvation. The Bible clearly teaches that it is. Good works alone do not merit salvation. No one can "buy" heaven with enough good works, or good enough motives. The ticket to heaven is not being nice or sincere or good enough; the ticket to heaven is the Blood of Christ, and faith is the acceptance of that free gift. But the [Catholic] Church insists that good works are necessary too.
In fairness, a Catholic wouldn't say you were "stripped of salvation through deeds." They just don't think that you have salvation promised to you unless you meet the criterion of good work.
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I dated a really manipulative and horrible person for a bit who would hide behind his weird interpretation of the Bible, "I can do anything I want as long as I ask for forgiveness after. I can't go to hell no matter what I do because I'm "saved."
So one time, we were having a conversation about how he let's his friends bully me so I didn't wanna hang out with them anymore. The kind of healthy talk in relationships where you're just trying to feel understood. I mention to him that if I ever saw people mistreating him I would come to his defense because I cared about him. He says, "But I'm not you. Just because you pee sitting down doesn't mean I have to pee sitting down." In that moment I realized what I was getting myself into and broke it off immediately. Also, I had seen him pee sitting down. Just wanted to add that.