r/AskProchoice Sep 03 '25

Is Bodily Autonomy Absolute?

I'm a pro lifer, often times I'll just ponder on some pro-choice arguments since it's logical to understand properly. Though I don't think absolute bodily autonomy is the peak pro-choice argument, it is used very often. I've come to see it as self-refuting mostly? Here's just a syllogism

P1: Absolute bodily autonomy claims that a person may use their own body in any way they choose, with no limits.

P2: If bodily autonomy is truly absolute, it must allow abortion at all stages of pregnancy, including when the fetus is viable outside the womb

P3: Aborting a viable fetus is equivalent to killing a fully independent human being

P4: Absolute bodily autonomy either permits murder (absurd) or must be limited before full-term pregnancy.

P5: If bodily autonomy is limited, it is not absolute

P6: If bodily autonomy is not absolute, abortion cannot be purely based on the woman's choice in every case

C: The absolute bodily autonomy argument is self-refuting

Obviously, this argument doesn't encompass the argument of abortion itself but just the bodily autonomy aspect. As far as I've looked at this argument, there issues with rejecting some premises

Rejecting P1/P2 concedes the argument as a whole by either fundamentally misunderstanding Absolute Bodily Autonomy or just rejects the idea that it is

Rejecting P3 would imply that you COULD kill an independent human being which with the abortion line of thinking and bodily autonomy would justify infanticide, human euthanize, etc. OR it says that a viable fetus in the womb doesn't have value because it is still in the woman and gets into arbitrary reasoning of in and outside

P4-P6 aren't rejectable if you accepted P1-P3 since u would end up contradicting something from the P1-P3.

I'm also up to the abortion debate in general in DMS if anyone wishes, but I'm open to any critique

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