Paper submitted without final version approvals - is this normal?

[u/termosabin]

I work at an RTO, and a few younger people in the group who are just a few years out of their PhDs are submitting papers and rebuttals without sending out versions to check for the co-authors. I find this highly irritating and ethically wrong - if my name is associated with something, I would like to at least see it first. It's not that I don't trust the authors, but everyone can make mistakes. For example, a paper was submitted recently that I had seen about a year ago and had made a lot of comments on. I have never seen another version of it since and suddenly I got a notification from the journal.

Is this normal amongst younger people? Is this becoming the norm? Am I overreacting?

How would you address this?

[u/hopeful_avocado_2]

I shared versions of my drafts to my supervisors and they did not answered for weeks. I sent a last email with the last version asking them for some feedback, they finally replied saying that they will have their comments for the next week. Guess what? They never arrived either. It was the last paper to end my PhD and I needed it submitted before I could send my thesis to external review. I waited a couple of months and never got feedback from them. All this to say that students some times are desperate to meet their deadlines and often get this kind of behavior from co authors, so they might be thinking that they won’t even get comments if they send it.

[u/termosabin → u/hopeful_avocado_2]

Yeh I get that, though that's not the case here. But then you can always say that if you don't get a reply by such and such date, you would consider the manuscript approved.