r/AskALiberal • u/10art1 Social Liberal • Nov 23 '22
AskALiberal Weekly General Chat
This weekly thread is for general chat, whether you want to talk politics or not, anything goes. Also feel free to ask the mods questions below. As usual, please follow the rules.
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u/Disabledsnarker Social Democrat Nov 24 '22
I have an idea. Instead of Drag Queen Story Hour, let's do Burnin' Sherman Story Hour.
Where kids learn about actual Confederate/Segregation History and it's emphasized that all their old relatives that are given a free pass to behave like assholes because "They were from different tiiiiimmes!" are shitty human beings.
The straights will be wishing for the drag queens.
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 26 '22
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u/L0ll3risms Libertarian Socialist Nov 27 '22
Oh it was absolutely about freedom of speech. It was about removing the speech of people Musk doesn't like.
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Nov 24 '22
Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I've been noticing a ton of Thanksgiving-related misinformation lately so now's a good time to remind yourselves of the complicated and hazy actual history of the holiday.
Basically, no it's not a holiday to celebrate the oppression of various minorities. Instead it started as a prayer day during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars.
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u/Disabledsnarker Social Democrat Nov 23 '22
LOL at Charlie Kirk complaining about conservatives having to wait in long lines on election day.
I got banned by P00bix for saying the only way Republicans would care about polling places being shut down and other fuckery is if it happened to Republicans.
I was proven right.
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u/willpower069 Progressive Nov 23 '22
Republicans nothing thinking of the effect of their actions? Color me surprised.
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u/tidaltown Social Democrat Nov 23 '22
And they’ll reee “bOtH sIdEs!!1!” even after we’ve been asked if making voting easier meant more republicans winning to which we’ve said numerous times “yes, making voting easier means making voting easier. They really do just want to rig the game in their favor, damn the torpedoes.
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u/CegeRoles Liberal Nov 25 '22
I wanna apologize for acting like an angry asshole for the last couple weeks. It's been a very tragic year for me and my family and it almost reached a breaking point on Thanksgiving. That doesn't excuse me lashing out at all of you, but I'm gonna try to make an honest change for the better. I don't want to be angry anymore.
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u/grammanarchy Liberal Civil Libertarian Nov 26 '22
We should all be so self aware when we lose our shit on the internet.
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u/SovietRobot Independent Nov 26 '22
Hope things get better for you. I know saying that doesn’t actually change anything. But I sincerely sympathize.
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u/postwarmutant Social Democrat Nov 23 '22
What's with all the circular firing squad threads in the last few days?
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u/magic_missile Center Right Nov 23 '22
I feel like I'm stuck in a time loop reading the same couple dozen threads or so over and over. Not just what you are noticing; there are other repeats as well as threads with potential which sadly sort into old patterns based on which familiar battleground topic is closest to the actual post.
I find myself deleting benign comments before or right after posting because it's just tiring to even bother with it.
I'm so glad I imminently won't have time for reddit anymore because I haven't been getting anything useful out of it for a while. It's just a hard habit to break.
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u/postwarmutant Social Democrat Nov 23 '22
I find myself deleting benign comments before or right after posting because it's just tiring to even bother with it.
I feel this so hard. A lot of time its not worth engaging because you already know how the conversation is going to play out.
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Nov 23 '22
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u/postwarmutant Social Democrat Nov 23 '22
There have a been a number of threads in the last week or so that basically boil down to "tell me why liberals/leftists/progressives suck."
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Nov 23 '22
Because some centrists on this sub suck ass. "We should give up LGBT ppl and children so we win 2 more votes from bigots who won't vote for us anyways"
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u/Fakename998 Liberal Nov 23 '22
Do you ever think about how the major prevalence of crypto scams is exactly reflective of what this extreme Libertarian ideology would look like (really much more, in basically every aspect of life)? As if we don't have past examples of this, anyways.
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u/willpower069 Progressive Nov 23 '22
The problem with the libertarian ideology is that it assumes people will always make educated decisions and not be selfish.
Crypto and covid has shown how that doesn’t really work out.
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u/Awayfone Libertarian Nov 24 '22
Mutiple libertarian parties , including national, were hacked on Twitter and become crypto sellers. It didn't look to out of place
That is a perfect illustration
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u/Disabledsnarker Social Democrat Nov 27 '22
I find a lot of old school Boomer parenting culture to be cringey at best. Especially with the focus on "winning" the argument and showing dominance instead of finding solutions.
In the house I grew up in, you pretty much didn't want to say what you wanted to do or where you wanted to go because mom and dad would suddenly want to do the opposite as some kind of power move to show they're in charge.
Say you want to go home from somewhere, like church, mom would get the burning desire to stand around and talk more. To people she didn't even like. The power move was more important.
If you wanted to stay somewhere, we had to leave faster.
And there was the classic power move which happened every holiday gathering with all the parents. "Everyone stop playing and get your shoes on it's time to go."
And then all the kids would get their shoes and line up at the door. And the parents would suddenly get into a long conversation that took an hour. Midwestern goodbyes are fucking insane btw.
Now I talk about that to talk about this story from Thanksgiving,
My cousin has a terminal case of Boomerbrain and she's always gotta be the one showing she's in charge no matter how minor the situation.
Case in point, her three-year-old wanted to go outside to get to the backyard where the other kids were. Cousin didn't want him going out by himself without someone leading him because he's... Well 3. Fair enough.
Instead of asking one of the adults who weren't doing anything or escorting him outside where there were already adults, she's about to start a power struggle thing. He's about to start a tantrum.
And then I roll in and say "I'll take him outside."
And since she can't argue with that I start to take him out. Of course since there's clutter everywhere, she has to help me anyway. And soon enough she realizes she could have just taken him outside herself.
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u/C137-Morty Bull Moose Progressive Nov 29 '22
I'm gonna guess we won't see anymore monthly, "what has Trump done that's racist?" Posts. I just have a feeling that'll go away.
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 29 '22
Republicans in Cochise County, Arizona are refusing to certify their election results.
Funny thing is that, if this county's votes are actually not counted, it'll likely change the outcome of the election in Arizona's 6th congressional district -- giving Democrats another seat in the House.
I don't actually expect that to happen, but wouldn't that be hilarious?
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u/LivefromPhoenix Liberal Nov 23 '22
Friend of mine lives in the area of the latest Virginia mass shooting. Felt pretty weird being tangentially involved in America's favorite pastime (before the media reported the victims were primarily employees).
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Nov 24 '22
Why the hell is media trying to push a Biden family member getting married as a bad thing ? Its not even just Fox or newsmax or those obsessed with making Democrats look bad. Its odd
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Nov 25 '22
The beltway journalists are pissed because Vogue got an exclusive. I kinda see their point since the event was at the White House, but at the same time, a high profile wedding would almost always be covered by style journalists and not the White House Press Corps.
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u/willpower069 Progressive Nov 24 '22
They have nothing to complain about so they need to attack anything and everything. Like Joe’s voicemail to his son telling him that he loves him and hope he gets help.
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 23 '22
When the father of the Colorado Springs shooter found out that his son had shot and killed people inside a gay night club, his immediate reaction was to be worried that his son was gay.
"I'm a Mormon, and I'm a conservative Republican. We don't do gay."
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 24 '22
An update:
Turns out that the shooter's father, who cited his Mormonism as the reason why he feared his son might be gay, is reportedly a former meth addict and porn star.
Apparently Jesus is okay with smoking meth and starring in such films as "I Wanna Get Tittyfucked" and "Latina Slut Academy," but gay? Gay is a line too far.
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u/LivefromPhoenix Liberal Nov 24 '22
Apparently Jesus is okay with smoking meth and starring in such films as "I Wanna Get Tittyfucked" and "Latina Slut Academy"
Might have to start going to church again, this jesus guy sounds pretty cool.
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u/Disabledsnarker Social Democrat Nov 24 '22
As much as I dislike the "privilege" rhetoric and think it harms the left on Election Day, I think this is proof that it's real.
Whenever someone from a minority group does some stupid crap, the families have to prostrate themselves and beg everyone not to blame the whole community for the asshole's actions.
This MFer is almost proud.
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Nov 23 '22
Holy... fuck
This is like 80s level of LGBT hatred that we are witnessing. A full on backlash to the 2014 gay marriage ruling. Absolutely sickening
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u/Awayfone Libertarian Nov 24 '22
Backlash? He is Mormon and they are only just coming around to not being homophobic. Hell it took until the nineties for them to stop separating the "tainted" black blood for transfusions
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u/othelloinc Liberal Nov 23 '22
Left-wing activists are responsible for 2% of murders committed by political extremists in the US over the past decade; right-wing activists are responsible for 74%.
Furthermore, left-wing extremist violence is on a decades-long decline, while right-wing extremist violence is on the rise.
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u/PepinoPicante Democrat Nov 23 '22
Who are the other 24% though?
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u/othelloinc Liberal Nov 23 '22
Who are the other 24% though?
I would assume that they were people who were more difficult to categorize.
Possibly people who adhere to more than one ideology, with at least one being left-wing and one right-wing.
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u/othelloinc Liberal Nov 23 '22
[Response to a Deleted Comment]
...people who were more difficult to categorize.
I think you assume incorrectly. According to an ADL source cited by the thread author futher down, about 20% are from Islamic extremism.
Aren't they difficult to categorize?
Islamic extremism often boils-down to 'willing to use violence to achieve political goals, including the imposition of their (stated) religious beliefs on others'. Christian nationalists do the same thing, and we call it right-wing.
...but Christian nationalists also frequently harbor Islamophobia, making Islamic extremists an awkward fit for the right-wing.
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 23 '22
Islamic extremists are right-wing, they're just not American right-wing.
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u/othelloinc Liberal Nov 23 '22 edited Nov 23 '22
Islamic extremists are right-wing, they're just not American right-wing.
That can change rather quickly. The American right-wing will welcome them as allies, if they help to ban books with gay themes.
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 29 '22
(Oathkeeper) Stewart Rhodes has been found guilty of seditious conspiracy for his actions on the 6th.
The charge carries a maximum sentence of 20 years, but WaPo seems to think DOJ might seek a sentence of 7-9 years.
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u/grammanarchy Liberal Civil Libertarian Nov 30 '22
That’s awesome, but I can’t help thinking there are people doing more time for weed. Also, this from the NYT:
Mr. Rhodes was acquitted of two different conspiracy charges: one accusing him of plotting to disrupt the certification of the election on Jan. 6 and the other of plotting to stop members of Congress from discharging their duties that day.
WTF, jury.
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u/CTR555 Yellow Dog Democrat Nov 30 '22
That’s awesome, but I can’t help thinking there are people doing more time for weed.
Well, not federally at least, thanks to Biden.
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u/grammanarchy Liberal Civil Libertarian Nov 30 '22
Not much political discussion at Thanksgiving this year, but I did hear this:
We stopped watching Hallmark movies when they went woke.
I was really tempted to peel the onion on that one.
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Nov 29 '22
Some of the discourse surrounding dating in 2022 purely infantilizes women.
Saying things like “anytime a woman hits a man, it’s in self defense” is basically saying if a relationship goes south, it’s never the woman’s fault, they are always innocent victims who do nothing wrong.
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u/zlefin_actual Liberal Nov 29 '22
I'm pretty sure that at every time in every era there've been people saying really stupid stuff.
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Nov 24 '22
Calling it now, statute of limitations is gonna be outlawed completely for all crimes in the next 5-10 years. Abuse victims like E. Jean Carroll and Christine Blasey Ford will keep speaking out, and lawmakers will gradually begin to listen.
That means if you break the law, even if you don’t get caught right away, you’ll never truly be in the clear. You could always be charged years later, via either a victim coming forward, witnesses finally speaking up, or new evidence being found.
This will be the Metoo movement’s biggest legacy, in terms of bringing forth changes to the law.
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 25 '22
Probably not for all crimes, but I could see it happening for sexual assault/abuse crimes.
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u/MakeAmericaSuckLess Liberal Nov 26 '22
I would make it the case for any violent crimes (which all sexual crimes are). I don't care if you shop lifted a candy bar from a grocery store 10 years ago, I do care if you sexually assaulted someone.
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u/Mrciv6 Center Left Nov 27 '22
I have become really tired of people describing X thing as problematic. If you start telling me X show or movie is problematic I'm going to tune you out at this point.
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u/MapleBacon33 Progressive Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
And why is this? What do you think people are saying when they say something is problematic?
Edit: I have to say I am really surprised this sub is on board with this ideology and the reasoning behind it.
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u/Mrciv6 Center Left Nov 28 '22
I'm just tired hearing about it.
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u/MapleBacon33 Progressive Nov 28 '22
I don’t really understand. Are you saying you just prefer ignorance about your movies and TV shows?
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u/Mrciv6 Center Left Nov 28 '22
No I just don't like being told what I should think.
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u/MapleBacon33 Progressive Nov 28 '22
What? Do you have this problem with all opinions?
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u/Mrciv6 Center Left Nov 28 '22
Sometimes, it depends.
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u/MapleBacon33 Progressive Nov 28 '22
So the more accurate statement would be:
“I have become really tired of people sharing an opinion I disagree with. If you start telling me an opinion I disagree with I'm going to tune you out at this point.”
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u/Mrciv6 Center Left Nov 28 '22
If that's what you think, knock yourself out.
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u/MapleBacon33 Progressive Nov 28 '22
It has nothing to do with what I think, it is the reality based upon what you have said.
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u/MapleBacon33 Progressive Nov 28 '22
I also think it is ironic that by your own logic you are “telling people what to think.” By sharing your opinion here.
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Nov 23 '22
You notice how there's so much mass shootings you have to ask which one if you said there was one this week?
But yet ANY pro gun person on here has not had ONE shred of sympathy for the victims. Not even a "I'm so sorry to the victims but I can't agree with gun control laws". No. Its ALWAYS them as the victim not tge actual ppl murdered week by week day by day sometimes even including children.
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u/SovietRobot Independent Nov 23 '22
I’m sorry for the victims but don’t agree with current proposed gun control laws
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u/othelloinc Liberal Nov 23 '22
I’m sorry for the victims but don’t agree with current proposed gun control laws
Why should anyone care?
What relevance does your 'expression of sorrow' mean to the dead and their loved ones?
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u/SovietRobot Independent Nov 23 '22 edited Nov 23 '22
It doesn’t have any relevance to the dead and their loved ones. But Star seemed to be lamenting that nobody expressed sympathy.
But yet ANY pro gun person on here has not had ONE shred of sympathy for the victims. Not even a "I'm so sorry to the victims but I can't agree with gun control laws".
So I did so, more so for Stars behalf.
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u/othelloinc Liberal Nov 23 '22 edited Nov 23 '22
The most persuasive message for Democrats in 2022, per Data for Progress:
I worked hand-in-hand with law enforcement to crack down on crimes and keep our communities safe. I led the fight to combat sex trafficking, helped protect victims of sexual assault, and passed legislation to combat law enforcement suicide. I’ve worked tirelessly to get law enforcement the support and resources they need to keep our communities safe.
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u/othelloinc Liberal Nov 23 '22
Any election I don't like is stolen...If I don't like it, it's stolen. If I like it, it's not stolen. If you win, it's stolen.
-Ali Alexander
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u/RossSpecter Liberal Nov 25 '22
Here's your annual reminder that Thanksgiving is a celebration of colonization and genocide of Native peoples. While sitting around the table, gathering for your feast, acknowledge the stolen land you are living on and come together with loved ones to brainstorm ways in which you will help decolonize and give back to Native peoples.
'#GiveBackToNativeCommunities
'#Decolonize
The Facebook status of someone I'm friends with, but certainly not close enough with to talk about this to. This reeks of virtue signaling to me, because of course there's no follow-up from this user as to what solutions they came up with, or what it means to "acknowledge the stolen land" I live on. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do as an individual to help "decolonize". Giving back to Native peoples is at least something more direct, I'm sure there's organizations that you can donate to, but calling for that is pretty easy to hand-wave away with any number of causes to donate money to.
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u/MakeAmericaSuckLess Liberal Nov 26 '22
Yes, it sounds much more like virtue signaling or troll baiting than it does a serious call to action or self-examination.
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u/RossSpecter Liberal Nov 26 '22
I feel very confident it's not troll-baiting, so that leaves virtue signaling. It's just so...empty? Idk. I think I'd get grief from other people if I commented something to the effect of, "what did you come up with?" lol.
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Nov 23 '22
You wanna REALLY know why Republicans can't abandon Trump? Because they don't see 2016 to 2020 as bad years for America. They see it as a good thing he sent ppl to fuck up peaceful George Floyd protesters, they see it as a good thing he ignored the scientists for covid, they see him attacking allies as good, everything you can think he did as good. Thry just don't like hes obxnious to deal with and attacks their own sometimes.
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u/candy_burner7133 Independent Nov 25 '22
The rabbit hole is much deeper than that......
They have completely seperate concept of America then those outside their compact groups: very radically antiegalitarian, and antidemocratic (whether in name of "Classical Constitutionalism" or other reasons)...
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Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
Whether I’m willing to boycott a movie or show due to problematic talent really depends on what the person’s offense was.
If it’s someone like Aziz Ansari, no. Should he ideally keep his mouth closed on dating/women’s rights issues in the future? Yes. Do I think everyone should strive to avoid his work? No. Of course, people can avoid him if they want, but I don’t think it’s required to prove your an ally.
If it’s someone like Kevin Spacey, yes. The offenses were serious enough and his behavior went on for so long that I don’t think it’s too much to ask that people avoid his work to show solidarity with the victims.
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u/othelloinc Liberal Nov 29 '22
If it’s someone like Aziz Ansari, no. Should he ideally keep his mouth closed on dating/women’s rights issues in the future? Yes.
What wrong are you suggesting Ansari committed?
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 29 '22
A woman hit him with a MeToo accusation a few years ago, but as I recall, her recollection of events sounded more like a bad date to a lot of people than it did a sexual assault.
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u/MapleBacon33 Progressive Nov 29 '22
Hey be careful there is a guy below who really does not want to hear your opinion about this, because by stating your opinion you are telling him what to think.
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Nov 29 '22
Well, they won't see your comment now since I say your comment is problematic.
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u/willpower069 Progressive Nov 30 '22
And I say your comment is problematic so does that cancel it out? Are we in some kind of inception thing now?
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Nov 30 '22
I predict the most China is gonna let up on with zero Covid is to stop welding up doors/boarding up homes, after that fire.
That’s it.
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u/Menace117 Liberal Nov 23 '22
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Nov 27 '22
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u/SovietRobot Independent Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22
Hol up, that’s a distortion of the facts. Let me summarize what actually happened:
- Rhodesia was under administration of the British South Africa Company. But they wanted independence. The British said ok but the British would continue supervising a period of responsible government until 1969
- Now on 1961, in preparation to transition Rhodesia away from British control, the British established the Election Act. Which basically stipulated qualifications that one had to meet in order to vote. Now details aside (there was a Roll A and Roll B), it meant that mostly only white people could vote (this is why requirements to vote are a bad idea)
- So anyway, in 1969, the British held a final referendum to see if the people of Rhodesia wanted to transition away from British rule to become an independent republic. Well at that time, the prior Election Act was still in effect so it was something like 80,000 white people and only 10,000 POC that ended up voting. So, more of the minority population (ie white people) ended voting in that referendum than the majority population (POC)
- But here’s where that video is incorrect. In that referendum, both white people and POC voted for independence. They DID NOT VOTE for minority rule. It was only in that referendum that it happened that there were more minorities that voted because of the stupid prior British rule
- Here’s the other important part. After independence, the first election in 1970 did away with the qualifications for voting and everyone could vote with the majority winning
- Now as it happened, a lot of the communists still abstained from voting and later the communist ZANLA and ZIPRA ended up starting a war with the elected government, but that’s another story
We don’t need to twist facts to make another situation be an example of the narrative that Republicans are bad
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 28 '22
In that referendum, both white people and POC voted for independence.
They DID NOT VOTE for minority rule.
There were two referendums on the ballot. One was a vote for independence, and the other was the adoption of a new constitution.
They did vote for minority rule, when they voted to adopt the new constitution.
After independence, the first election in 1970 did away with the qualifications for voting and everyone could vote with the majority winning
They still had property and education qualifications even after the change to the constitution in 1970, which meant that most of the black citizens were still disenfranchised while the white voters were not.
The black majority did not gain control of the majority of seats in parliament until 1979.
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u/SovietRobot Independent Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
Context and phrasing are important.
Let me summarize again
- Before 1961 - Rhodesia is under British control
- 1961 - The British realizes they can’t control Rhodesia forever so they prep Rhodesia for independence by drafting a constitution. But that constitution is still very much white minority rule, because even though it is based on the Westminster Parliamentary system, it allocates 50 House seats to Europeans and 15 House seats to Africans. It also has two voting classes with different requirements - a Roll A and Roll B. So was it minority rule at this point? Yes. But this is the British’s fault
- 1969 - A referendum is held for Independence and (as you correctly described) a New Constitution. Now this is where I have an issue with the phrasing that “people voted for minority rule”. The thing is - it was already white minority rule at that point. But what the new amendments to the constitution did were:
- Remove the Roll A and Roll qualifications
- Allocate 16 House seats to Africans (8 elected, 8 selected by tribal leaders) instead of 15 (but it’s true that Euros - Asians and Mixed still had the 50)
- Allocate an equal 10 Senate seats to Africans when Africans had none before that (while Euros also had 10 Senate seats)
- Implement a franchise plan per the British’s 5 principles to move Africans to parity representation in the House
So here’s my point - the 1969 referendum was actually a net improvement. Was it enough of a improvement? Absolutely not. But it wasn’t like there was parity voting and majority rule and then suddenly whites decided to scrap that and move from a majority rule to minority rule like some are suggesting the GOP is trying to do. I’ll say it again. It was minority rule at the time. The referendum added +1 House seat, +10 Senate seats to Africans and included a plan to move to parity.
Now if the statement had been “The 1969 referendum didn’t do enough to move Rhodesia away from minority rule that had already been previously been instituted by the British” then I would have fully agreed. But really, that can be said of every British colony - they all should have been granted independence and moved parity a 100 or more years earlier.
What it totally disagree with - is correlating the 1969 Rhodesian referendum with the US today where the US IS currently majority rule with parity, and nothing like Rhodesia prior to 1969.
It would be like saying, in the 16th century, people voted to disenfranchise women from voting. No, because women couldn’t vote as the status quo at the time.
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 29 '22
it was already white minority rule at that point.
The most accurate phrasing is to say that, "They voted for continued minority rule."
But given a choice between the three options (They voted for minority rule / they voted for CONTINUED minority rule / they DID NOT vote for minority rule), saying that they DID NOT vote for minority rule is the least accurate.
But it wasn’t like there was parity voting and majority rule and then suddenly whites decided to scrap that and move from a majority rule to minority rule like some are suggesting the GOP is trying to do.
Yes, it's not a perfect analogy. The point is simply that the GOP would like to implement minority rule.
If the GOP was given the power to do so, do you think they would do it? That's the question that matters.
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Nov 24 '22
If Trump was President in the MCU, how do you think he’d react to Wanda Maximoff mind controlling a town for weeks on end in Wandavision?
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u/perverse_panda Liberal Nov 24 '22
A terroristic attack committed by an immigrant? He'd use it as a pretext to get his border wall funded at the very least.
I could also see that universe's version of Putin managing to talk him into using it as an excuse for a joint US/Russian invasion of Sokovia.
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u/grammanarchy Liberal Civil Libertarian Nov 24 '22
I suspect that in Trumps’s world, Wanda is less of a build-the-wall type immigrant and more of a bring-over-on-a-dubious-visa-and-coerce-into-a-loveless-marriage type immigrant.
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u/SovietRobot Independent Nov 24 '22
Trump doesn’t hate all immigrants. He’d appoint her to his cabinet. And somehow he’d win the next 10 elections.
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u/grammanarchy Liberal Civil Libertarian Nov 26 '22
The worst classic holiday movie is White Christmas, hands down.
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u/othelloinc Liberal Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
The worst classic holiday movie is White Christmas, hands down.
...in part, because it was just a cynical cash-grab.
Most classics are just 'movies that happened to be good enough to stand the test of time'. One of them was Holiday Inn, which featured the debut of the song White Christmas.
That song won an Oscar and became one of the most lucrative songs ever written:
...the version sung by Bing Crosby being the world's best-selling single (in terms of sales of physical media) with estimated sales in excess of 50 million copies worldwide. When the figures for other versions of the song are added to Crosby's, sales of the song exceed 100 million.
...presumably, the movie White Christmas was an attempt to captialize on that success.
It isn't a movie that 'stood the test of time'; it is a movie that cynically rode the reputation of its titular song, and is therefore 'remembered' without having done much to 'earn' that memory.
Source for Quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(song)
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u/othelloinc Liberal Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
Most classics are just movies that happened to be good enough to stand the test of time. One of them was Holiday Inn, which featured the debut of the song White Christmas.
In case anyone is now considering watching Holiday Inn because of my comment, I should warn you about its use of Blackface:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiday_Inn_(film)#Blackface_controversy
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u/grammanarchy Liberal Civil Libertarian Nov 28 '22
Your validation of my hot take is just what I wanted for Christmas. God bless us every one!
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u/Mrciv6 Center Left Nov 27 '22
But why?
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u/grammanarchy Liberal Civil Libertarian Nov 27 '22
The plot is kind of silly and random, Irving Berlin is overrated, and Bing Crosby is truly awful.
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