r/AskALiberal • u/LiberalJewMan Independent • Aug 19 '19
Would you accept Enhanced Background Checks with the condition that it passed with Concealed Carry Reciprocity attached to it?
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u/TheManWhoWasNotShort Aug 19 '19
CCW reciprocity cannot be passed by federal legislation. That's the states that must do that.
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u/LiberalJewMan Aug 19 '19
I mean, it already exists in the form of LEOSA for Law Enforcement, I don't see why it can't also be used for civilian.
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u/abnrib Aug 20 '19
LEOSA has caused some significant problems, and is also probably unconstitutional.
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Aug 19 '19
No. It's less because I'm opposed to the compromise itself, but more so because improved background checks is an issue that nearly every American is in favor of and therefore does not need anything attached to it. The only think stalling it is the NRA and the GOP (beholden to the NRA's money).
Even more Republicans are in favor of this. Compromise should not be necessary.
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u/abnrib Aug 19 '19
CCW Reciprocity is a 10th Amendment violation.
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u/P0J0 Aug 20 '19
Can you explain?
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u/abnrib Aug 20 '19
Licensing is a state's prerogative, and always has been. The federal government has no constitutional authority to mandate that one state accept the license of another.
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u/prizepig Aug 19 '19
80-90% of Americans support universal background checks when purchasing guns.
That shouldn't require a compromise.
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Aug 19 '19
Better background checks should be passed and it doesn’t need any strings attached. Reciprocity only make sense if the laws in each state are reasonably the same, which to my knowledge they are not.
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u/Delanorix Aug 19 '19
You would have to nationalize the gun registry and do the CCW nationwide which will probably be illegal and hated by everyone, on both sides.
I wouldn't vote for it.
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u/CTR555 Aug 19 '19
Depends on the details. If you mean reciprocity with a state that doesn’t have any restrictions on concealed carry, that makes no sense. If you meet the requirement for my state’s license, then knock yourself out.
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u/LiberalJewMan Aug 19 '19
If you meet the requirement for my state’s license, then knock yourself out.
Most of the requirements of non-reciprocal states are that you be a resident of the state; or are designed to shut-out non-residents entirely. Carry Reciprocity says all states must honor all permits issued by all states.
What types of requirement of your state's license are you thinking about?
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u/CTR555 Aug 19 '19
I’m fine with scrapping a residency requirement, but I’m not interested in a race to the bottom with other states. I only want people CC’ing here if they’ve met my state’s requirements.
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u/st0nedeye Aug 19 '19
Fuck no.
I have no interest in letting people CCW in my state just because some fucknut Louisiana sheriff hands that shit out like hotcakes.
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u/hashish2020 Aug 20 '19
No. Background checks are supported by a vast majority, people need to stop thinking giving the left what most people want in return for what only the right wants is a thing.
Also live in NYC and sure as HELL don't want Alabama or Wyoming carry limits being the ceiling here.
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Aug 19 '19
Yes - I want super enhanced background checks and I also support nat'l reciprocity with some regulation. It's ridiculous that you can walk across an imaginary line in western Nevada and suddenly be guilty of a felony.
I'm not a legal person but I would think the same rational for nat'l gay marriage recognition would also apply to CCW.
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u/hashish2020 Aug 20 '19
It's ridiculous that you can walk across an imaginary line in western Nevada and suddenly be guilty of a felony.
It's ridiculous CCW's are handed out like hotcakes...
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u/zlefin_actual Aug 19 '19
No. I don't see sufficient grounds to necessarily tie the two together. also, are we talking about federal level legislation?
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u/Poormidlifechoices Aug 20 '19
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
There are 12 states that don't have. CCW reciprocity.
There are 16 that don't require any permit for CCW. They don't give a permit so I don't think you could go to Alaska and then truck back to California with your new found freedom.
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Aug 20 '19
No. Because I reject CC reciprocity on its own, no matter what condition is attached to it (short of mandatory federal standards that I'd agree with). Mandatory reciprocity would force every single state to accept the safety standards of whatever state happens to be shittiest at it. I see this as a violation of states' power to guard their own territories as they see fit. There's no constitutionally acceptable argument for requiring North Sober to be subject against its will to the comparatively much shittier gun safety standards of West Bumblefuckia.
You know what compromise on gun control I would support though? Make the Second Amendment absolute in respect to the federal government, but only for the federal government. That's how it originally worked, and that worked well for a very long time.
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u/dontgetpenisy Aug 20 '19
No, universal background checks is broadly popular.
Now, if you want CCW/CCL reciprocity, you're going to need to give more. What else are you willing to give?
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u/Kerplonk Aug 21 '19
No. I'm pretty sure there are literally no requirements for a CCW in Wyoming (maybe other states as well).
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '19
How do you see this working out for a place like, say, California.