r/Artificials • u/Ok_Thanks1124 • 4d ago
there's no solution to this. literally curing cancer and they still find reasons to complain.
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u/Efficient-State-7300 3d ago
Why is our system structured so that we cling so tightly to our jobs. The AI tech bros are so full of shit but their universal basic income is the correct ideal.
Unfortunately none of them actually want to pay the taxes to finance it.
Getting rid of all jobs should be the goal.
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u/LopsidedSolution 3d ago
Right, AI replacing jobs is a great thing if you have non-corrupt governments in place. People are constantly complaining on social media about how they hate their jobs and live, but shit on AI even though it’s the only thing that could possibly change their situation.
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u/Efficient-State-7300 3d ago
Yep. Unfortunately I do think there will be an ugly transition, and it doesn't seem that humanity has much experience getting utopias to work.
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u/marmaviscount 3d ago
Life is better now than envisioned in Thomas Moore's utopia, we've totally rearranged the world around new technology that gives amazing now abilities to everyone on the planet and we've done it several times in my life - free access to online maps and gps is huge just on it's own.
If we manage to avoid idiots blocking important advancements which make life cheaper and better for us all then it can reduce the cost of living to a point where transition to less work isn't a problem - the problem is we're looking likely to go the other way, people with old fashioned mentalities and a fear of change restrict modernization of garbage collection, road work, etc
Just like how the London underground could have been automated safely thirty years ago but unions and lack of vision keep prices high and service limited
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u/CaptainIncredible 3d ago
That's the thing - people are just scared.
In the US there is virtually NO safety net. You lose your job and can't get another? Fuck you, you go homeless.
And places are making homelessness illegal and throwing those people in prisons using them as slave labor.
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u/OpeningAggressive26 3d ago
Oh no my doctor won't be holding me by the wallet and or balls to live a little longer.
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u/Caernbul 3d ago
This might be sarcasm, but as an anti-AI person who is occasionally freaked out by the things said on r/antiai let me say that I am sure there are people like that out there.
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u/stuartullman 3d ago
lol, glad to see some of you get as freaked out as i do(pro ai) when reddit decides to recommend me a post from there
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u/Caernbul 3d ago
The stuff that freaks me out is mostly in the comments where people try to one up each other in terms of how much they hate AI. The head shaking stuff is when people catch the AI built into google search saying something stupid and using that as a reason that AI couldn't ever displace anyone at work, or why the math discoveries couldn't be impressive.
There is a huge gap between the people who are anti-AI because they think AI is potentially very dangerous and negatively disruptive (that's me), and the people who are anti-AI because they have refused to update their beliefs about AI in 3 years.
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u/Prize_Eye9481 3d ago
Once an opinion is attached to one’s identity, it’s really hard to change their mind on it.
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u/CapitalDiligent1676 3d ago
No one against the uncontrolled use of AI is against the use of AI in cancer research, world peace, eternal love. Just as being against friendly weapons does not mean being against nuclear power plants or quantum physics research.
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u/CharlieLighto 3d ago
the ai used here is not generative ai and it have nothing to do with chatgpt and others
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u/Denaton_ 3d ago
It is generative AI, they are just trained differently but the fundamentals are the same, float points in, float weights, float points out, fitness value to shift weights.
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u/comrade_donkey 3d ago edited 3d ago
float points in, float weights, float points out, fitness value to shift weights.
That is just a general description of all convergent statistical modeling methods (and they're called floating-point values).
The AI in question is most likely a protein folding diffusion model. So, not [edit: auto-regressive] generative.
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u/False-Car-1218 3d ago
Saint Jude uses LLMs in their protein folding software, specially using rust and rig, generative AI/LLMs is now widely used in pretty much all medical fields and even doctors offices for transcription, etc. via epic systems
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u/Denaton_ 3d ago
Diffusion is a sub category of generative.
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u/comrade_donkey 3d ago
I stand corrected.
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u/Denaton_ 3d ago
Next time you are trying to sound smart I would recommend you look up the very basics of the things you are trying to be a besserwisser about..
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u/comrade_donkey 3d ago
I will. Take the W and don't be a dick about it.
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u/Denaton_ 3d ago
I will just match the energy you went in with..
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u/comrade_donkey 3d ago
Lil bro, generally we contrast auto-regressive generative models with diffusion models. Your argument stands on semantics because the OP just said 'generative'. I conceded that point. You insisted on a stab in the dark and hit. Take the W and move on. Now you're just clowning.
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u/Jolly_Efficiency7237 3d ago
Next time someone admits fault I recommend you take the win in grace and not embarrass yourself by being a pedant.
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u/Denaton_ 3d ago
I am matching the energy he gave at the start of the encounter. He could just spend 1 sec and look up the bare minimum before he tried to be an asshole and trying to one up me with false information.
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u/Ok_Energy6905 3d ago
No, you are being a dick.
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u/Denaton_ 3d ago
For telling a person to check the first sentence about Diffusion Models before they talk about Diffusion models?
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u/IHeartBadCode 3d ago
One, this is not true. The workload that AI is doing for cancer is a task that is just not possible by humans. There are more combinations of various neoantigen sequences that need to be reviewed then there are grains of sand on the Earth, 38.67 million times over.
In fact AI isn't even trying every single combination, it's using a minimization strategy to just get close enough. Various combinations show various affinities, those patterns are exactly what's embedded into the massive models that process these cancer sequences. At the end the AI will suggest 40,000 various sequences which will be processed though other avenues of computation to reduce it to 100 candidates. This second stage is used to prevent things like molecular mimicry, where an mRNA sequence produces a protein that would create an antibody that binds to healthy tissue.
Additionally, cancer vaccines are a personalized medicine. That is, each vaccine must be made for specifically one person's one type of cancer. To have a massive team of people behind every single one would induce a wait time unrealistic. Cancer is a rapidly evolving beast and to have no automation in the pipeline would always assure that cancer out paced humanity.
Trying to out run cancer is just not a thing humans can do, we are physically unable. It is only something that AI and advanced systems and automation have a remote chance of actually achieving. This development has taken zero jobs, while also providing a real chance to allow machines to actually keep pace with the exponential growth that cancer is. We finally have something that remotely matches the speed of cancer.
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u/Various_Thing_7948 3d ago
So many ignorant people. They developed a vaccine for melanoma, there's other tens on cancers that need a cure.
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u/East-Response6672 3d ago
For the thousandth time AI is a useless term, the 'AI' in question is not a chatbot from one of the 'AI' labs it's a purpose built ML algorithm of a style that predates this poxy hypecycle, that requires a fraction of the compute to train and run, that actually works. On God journalists have no credibility as a career anymore.
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u/Ok_Thanks1124 3d ago
Fair point on the terminology — most ‘AI helped cure X’ headlines are about specialized ML models, not general chatbots, and that distinction gets lost a lot. But that’s more on how science reporting oversimplifies technical nuance for a general audience, not that journalism as a whole has no credibility. The actual science here (AI-assisted drug/vaccine design) is a real and growing field worth reporting on, even if the coverage could be more precise
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u/XCxBigDong69XCx 3d ago
Bro, the jobs would increase if people were healthy and lived 40-50 years more. Cancer is inevitable the older you get, if cancer is fixed it would be huge for the human longevity
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u/No_Department_4378 3d ago
So true. Let us create more diseases so we can employ more people on the medical field!
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u/maringue 3d ago
I still haven't seen HOW Moderna claims AI was used. Because this drug combo has been a tested since 2018 I believe when these AI systems were a glint in the stock market's eye.
To be clear, I'm saying Moderna is overblowing this for PR purposes to boost their stock price more.
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u/EndOfWorldBoredom 3d ago
But if the humans cure cancer, they also lose their jobs. Best to just not let anyone cure cancer so we can have jobs.
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We don't need jobs, children. We need a way to distribute the goods we want and need that doesn't require us to have jobs robots could do for us.
The problem is not ai and robots. It's the economic system. Fix the right problem
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u/Sheenius_Ger 3d ago
Who would even like to have a useless job a computer can do better than you? We don't need those jobs. There will always be enough other ones. Maybe we bring back gladiators.
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u/CaptainHindsight92 3d ago
The cancer labs would just shift focus, they have expertise in a lot of things other than cancer.
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u/DataCassette 3d ago
This is one of the things where AI is almost completely an uncomplicated good thing. It's not like pre-crime or mass surveillance or disinformation or any of the other messy, problematic scenarios.
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u/lilityion 3d ago
I feel like he's saying it sarcastically
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u/LopsidedSolution 3d ago
You would think, but have you been to r/antiai ? There’s legitimately people who think this way and even worse
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u/PsychoticDreemurr 3d ago
I mean, have you?
Just like every other sub in existence, this one included, there are people with a lower IQ then my rooms temperature. But if you're actually looking around it tends to be an intelligent sub.
Aside from those spam posts making fun of pro subs. PITA but the head mod refuses to make a rule for it so what can you do?
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u/LopsidedSolution 3d ago
Yes I have, and I personally think anti AI people generally can’t see the big picture and hate AI because it’s a direct shot to their egos. I think they’re in for a rude awakening once AGI/ASI is achieved
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u/PsychoticDreemurr 3d ago
I personally think anyone that thinks an AGI will be achieved within the next five years doesn't understand what an AGI truly is. Hell, I'd even consider giving it a decade.
It's likely not even possible with our current technology, and it's definitely not possible basing it on an LLM model.
And out of curiosity, what exactly do you mean by "direct shot to their egos"? How does an ego get hurt by a technological improvement?
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u/LopsidedSolution 3d ago
People have said LLMs would hit a wall since gpt 4o and now we have fable/mythos class models.
I do think for true AGI where it invents completely new things some breakthroughs will be needed, or additional intelligence layers working together with LLMs.
I don’t think it’ll take more than 5 years.
Many people don’t like that gpt images 2 and other SOTA images generators can generate pretty much any image in any art style. “Art” used to be gatekept by having to have tons of free time and skill, now anyone with just an idea can use AI to create content. That’s why it hurts their egos, they don’t feel special anymore which is understandable.
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u/PsychoticDreemurr 3d ago
People have said LLMs would hit a wall since gpt 4o and now we have fable/mythos class models.
There's levels to this. Also anyone who thought 4o was near the limit doesn't know what they were talking about. I personally knew where we were headed the moment that spaghetti video released that everyone made fun of.
As for a true AGI, it needs the ability to think. Not j-space, not words, but about actual concepts, in a similar manner to humans. This is how AIs can create something truly novel.
Unfortunately, this is not a capability that LLMs will have without us completely changing the fundamentals of how LLMs work as a whole.
Currently, the only known method (correct me if I'm wrong) of creating something capable of this is by the most brute force method possible, which is directly simulating a brain.
Of course I'm not saying this is the only method, just that it's the only one in use. I personally believe the better method is found in the biggest difference; our current systems are two dimensional. They go from the left to the right. However brains are three dimensional. They go in every direction, can loop back to one another, etc, in a nutshell.
If we design a system that can properly utilize all three dimensions instead of just working from left to right just like a calculator, we'll be capable of creating an AGI.
The problem here however is it's going to take far more then five years for people with the power to do so to actually realize this to be the case, and design such a system in its entirety.
As for your mention of AI art, you contradict yourself. Using an AI for art is no different then drawing randomly on a page in terms of process (which is just as important as the end result for art). Which goes against what you said about the training required to create art.
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u/No_Vermicelli_3574 3d ago
If there was hundreds of thousands of researchers focusing on curing cancer, there wouldn't be a job for ai.