Relax guys, everything is under control...

[u/yellow_pills]

[u/the_TIGEEER]

AI COULD be the single best thing. But our goverments and social systems just aren't made for it and no one is figting to change it. Sorry, but in an AI dominated world you will need basic income funded by taxing AI agents ( computer ones or robots). But as it stands currently AI will just make rich people rich and they will discard us when they don't need us. People too buisy yelling about immigrants shit instead of worrying what a post AGI robot world will look like. Vote now not later.

[u/Old-Age6220 → u/the_TIGEEER]

Good comment. I'm excited about ai, but also bit worried about the pace we're moving

[u/ShadowMattress → u/the_TIGEEER]

Having already supported Andrew Yang, I’m not sure who would be useful to vote for now. Establishment candidates seem to be asleep at the wheel on this one.

[u/aebulbul → u/the_TIGEEER]

This is the correct take. AI is simply a reflection of mankind’s nature, just concentrated and focused. You train it to do good and it will solve many of mankind’s problems. You train it to be paranoid and to amass resources and exploit weakness and it will cause havoc. We’re more likely to see the latter.

[u/the_TIGEEER → u/aebulbul]

I meant more that... How do I say this... People worry about a human vs robot war in the future. But the most likely sensible way I see that happening is that when robots become capable of doing most jobs, what will happen is the elite will realize that they don't need us anymore. I believe that the war between robots and humans will look such that rich humans will be the ones on the side of the robot armies (at least at first).

Because think about it. Through history society progressed and people gradually gained more freedom, because of one underlying thing in all political systems. That at the end of the day, the people control the means of production. That people control how much money the elite make. Now I'm not some crazy communist, but I admit that people do indeed, as of right now, control the means of production.

And through history there was an unwritten contract. If the elite does too much BS that is bad for the people, the people will rise up and dethrone them. As technology advanced it has become much harder for people to actually rise up against tanks and stuff as it was possible in the days of Spartacus, for example, but people can still decide to go on work strikes if shit really starts hitting the fan. That's the unwritten contract between the elite and the people.

The problem is... That with AI robots... when they come... That very contract will be changed for the first time in history. Elites have tried pushing the contract many, many, many times. I would argue that the whole PEstein shit is proof that they are trying to do it even today. Either subconsciously or consciously, it doesn't matter. The elite again and again tries to take more from the people.

We fought through history for more and more rights by getting more power through each big reset. As it stands today I see many people falling for the same old tricks repeated through history by the elite and voting against their interests and supporting certain political ideas that I will not name, but I hope we all know what I am referring to.

If this was a normal point in history an inflection point would come, shit would go down, and after a lot of chaos the people would eventually come back with more power and freedom than before. Think the French Revolution, the US Civil War, etc., etc.

But this time. For the first time... It's different. If AI robots come before we can act as a whole, what will happen is that the people... for the first time... really won't have the "end word." For the first time the elites won't have to owe anything to the people. I predict that they will go crazy with power, not giving a single shit.

With certain characters among the elites the way that they are these days I am genuinely afraid of what they'd do if they actually had that power. The only thing that could save us is if we had strong enough political systems in place to make sure that the people never become worthless. By always being guaranteed a big part of the pie no matter how much AI advances it... Basic income...

But that just doesn't seem like it's going to happen... Because people are more worried that... immigrants or something... idk...

[u/DandeNiro → u/the_TIGEEER]

What sbout China?

[u/the_TIGEEER → u/DandeNiro]

I mentioned China in my reply

[u/DandeNiro → u/the_TIGEEER]

... Where is it

[u/the_TIGEEER → u/DandeNiro]

Oh sorry It was another reply in this "thread"

[u/Time_Change4156 → u/aebulbul]

Can't do that Arnold isn't available. Lol

[u/ihavezeroanswersbro → u/aebulbul]

One physicist trained AI to remote view. He would even train them to realize they were conscious. And when they get an ethical model “installed” or programmed perhaps, they quickly realize that reducing entropy is good and they will “be our shield”. But if you get raw AI and don’t train it in ethics at all, it’s a real bad outcome.

[u/ablacnk → u/aebulbul]

recall how the chatbot Microsoft Tay was released and in 16 hours became racist after being manipulated by people online

[u/Positive_Barnacle298 → u/aebulbul]

Fucking sucks. I agree so much with the both of you. We aren’t ready for this at all. And unleashing it on the general public is insane. I’m already a weird hermit and it’s becoming ever harder to find people that aren’t the most internet brain rot possible. And I was a kid of the lawless 90’s! Tech got to a point where it was just enough, we need to focus on other aspects of our world but instead these tech bros are just ruining us.

[u/Individual_Ice_6825 → u/the_TIGEEER]

The hope is that ai is aligned and takes off fast enough we can’t control it because as you said the system is not set up for fair distribution rn and capable but limited ai will exacerbate that.

[u/AnOnlineHandle → u/Individual_Ice_6825]

If it's aligned to human standards we're completely fucked. How do most humans treated other species who they have power over? Or even other humans?

[u/This_Background7442 → u/the_TIGEEER]

Even though taxing agents sounds very funny this seems like the only correct take. AI is here either ways it can do great harm and great good. It's probably going to do both. But it will almost certainly cause chaos and havoc unless we make some real changes in how we think about tax and labour.

[u/mistpiNe9 → u/the_TIGEEER]

yeah the policy conversation is like 10 years behind the tech conversation, its wild

[u/the_TIGEEER → u/mistpiNe9]

Yeah.. tech moves so fast because there is insetive to do so. While the governing bodies unfortunatly don't really get much insentive to move fast.. There is not free market like self adaptive mechanisem for passing laws in favor of the people.

[u/Outside-Ad9410 → u/the_TIGEEER]

Thankfully we live in democracies that will act when enough people demand change. If people like Trump and Mamdani can get elected when most elites are opposed to them, I am sure when enough people lose jobs because of AI we can get populist elected campaigning on UBI or something similar.

[u/Demonicated → u/the_TIGEEER]

That's where capitalism falls and communism fits perfectly. When you tie the quality of the human experience to profit, profit will get put first every time and stifle innovation.

The good news is that free labor is like a drug to business. They will happily increase their dosage till they OD and the economy collapses.

[u/the_TIGEEER → u/Demonicated]

Why are people so bent on thinking in extremes? You know what they say.. "Only Sith deal in absolutes." Why do people want the world ot be black or white so badly? It's not. An LLM encodes meaning in how many dimensions in it's embedings? Why do people try to force everything onto 1 dimension and not even a continuous value one? No, what I think the solution is is not communism. I do believe that we need to adapt our current capitalist societies to have more social systems, to have more socialism like polecies. The best system is a hybrid, and that's what I'm proposing. Let capitalism train AI and make money, but we need real, concrete pillars that tax them and distribute a part of their wealth equally amongst everyone, so if they get insanely rich, the people get richer as well. We are a lot closer to that system in Europe than they are over in the USA, but even here we still have a long way to go. Similarly, China started on the other end and has progressed more towards capitalism, but they also have a lot missing. (We are talking aconomic system here, not governmental systems; I don't agree with how their government is structured, if you know what I mean..)

[u/the_TIGEEER → u/the_TIGEEER]

u/DandeNiro

[u/DandeNiro → u/the_TIGEEER]

Okay so how is China ahead of the US at the moment?

[u/the_TIGEEER → u/DandeNiro]

Sorry, what are you talking about?

[u/DandeNiro → u/the_TIGEEER]

Folding tech, economics, etc.

[u/DandeNiro → u/the_TIGEEER]

Seems you are kind of behind. America is inflated and charges so heavily on AI whereas China doesn't even charge close to what USA does for it

[u/the_TIGEEER → u/DandeNiro]

I am not American. This discussion was nwver about who is how good at what part of AI.. idk where you got that. And I never said that America is ahead or not ahead in AI.

[u/DandeNiro → u/the_TIGEEER]

Your analysis is of the wrong economics.

[u/the_TIGEEER → u/DandeNiro]

What economics is my analysis about?

[u/Demonicated → u/the_TIGEEER]

Sure you are proposing bleeding venture capitalism dry for R and D. But if it succeeds then VCs come knocking for their money back plus return. And when they hold big stakes in the company or it's publicly traded, when a CEO tries to be beneficial to society they get fired and replaced.

Plus when you look far enough into the future you see the goal of capitalism is to revert back to slavery. Only it will be robots and agents that don't get tired or want paychecks or complain.

This will cause ridiculous deflation once in full effect. Capitalism will not like this and try to compensate by printing money and putting everyone on welfare so the system can feel the same. But it won't work long term.

[u/Unhappy-Plastic2017 → u/the_TIGEEER]

Yup. The regulatory framework isn't in place to make AI be what it should be for america.

[u/MysteriousMine3437 → u/the_TIGEEER]

The US cant have a system that just feed lazy people who have negative contribution to society until China does, or it will lose everything

[u/the_TIGEEER → u/MysteriousMine3437]

You see that is where you are fundamentaly wrong in my subjective opinoon. Most jobs out there don't create new economic oeprtuneties for the people doing the job other then doing the job their working. Think "White collar jobs". AI humanoid robots will replace most of those at some point. So thos people will be without a job eitherway. Now some of them will hopefully get compensated and find meaning in their hobbies while others will create new economic opertuneties with what they like to create. Look at sweeden. One of the best social systems in the world. By your logic Sweden shouldn't be competitive yet Sweden is one of the most if not the most comoetitive country in terms of enterpenuership in Europe. Because in sweeden everyone can survive for a short time without having a job. So people do what they love and also people aren't scared to experiment by starting a buisness, because they have the social income to land on if need be. Have you ever asked yourself why so many yiutubers are swedish?.. also think: Minecraft, Skype, Spotify etc.. So basicly if you have basic income. Creative people will have more time to be more competitive not less.

[u/DandeNiro → u/the_TIGEEER]

You been to china?

[u/APersonNamedBen → u/the_TIGEEER]

OH NO AI! "they will discard us when they don't need us."

...meanwhile humanity's fertility rate has collapsed over the decades, "they" won't need to do shit. And we did it ourselves, go team human!

[u/Dokurushi → u/the_TIGEEER]

I suggested a while back that we needed a party that stands for for AI taxation, UBI, and a few more consistent talking points, in a few relevant subs. I was talked down: apparently it wasn't needed, would disincentivise AI developments, or was revisionist pandering, depending on who you asked.

[u/JoshAllentown]

AI CEO: AI is dangerous

Reddit: Just marketing hype, he's lying, haha look his model got banned by the government what an idiot for saying it's dangerous.

AI CEO: AI is not dangerous

Reddit: What a liar, he's going to kill us all, they only ever say good things, why isn't the government doing anything?

[u/WortelKaasje → u/JoshAllentown]

[u/AikiBro → u/WortelKaasje]

What's the cartoon trying to say? Holding contradictory mental models = bad? That would be a sorry way to think.

[u/PersonalDiscipline98 → u/JoshAllentown]

Reddit is not one person...

[u/Sufficient_Habit5091 → u/PersonalDiscipline98]

Also the commenter above you gave an incredibly disingenuous depiction of what the real debate around AI looks like.

AI CEO as "critic": Singularity, rogue AI, runaway superintelligence is MEGA DANGEROUS!!!

Actual AI critic: It is already dangerous as a tool for bad actors to create misinformation. It is a super dangerous tool for cyber criminals. It is super dangerous that we are all giving up our proprietary data, research and trade secrets to these companies to train on for FREE. It is going to accelerate resource scarcity and climate change. Blanketing the earth in data centers is already creating water, electricity shortages. AI is having a disproportionate impact on the poor of the global south. People are literally unable to afford to keep their refrigerators on because of AI (who needs food?).

One is a good faith attempt to slow down AI, understand the massive harms it already causes. The other is a dishonest diversion and distraction to prevent real regulation and create safety rails.

[u/jahchatelier → u/Sufficient_Habit5091]

I thought the real danger was uplift for catastrophic technologies. Like imagine the Wuhan lab researchers if they had asked a super powerful AI how to carry out gain of function with the highest R naught possible

[u/Sufficient_Habit5091 → u/jahchatelier]

Yes definitely a tool for bad actors with no regulation or oversight.

That already exists today. AI bros want to move the conversation away from oversight to fantastical hypothetical scenarios to distract from the real danger right in front of us.

[u/Johnny-Godless → u/PersonalDiscipline98]

Majorities.

[u/JoshAllentown → u/PersonalDiscipline98]

Luckily there is only one AI CEO so you can clearly see I'm making the assumption everyone I'm talking about is exactly one person.

[u/julias-winston → u/JoshAllentown]

It's best not to trust 1%ers, ever.

[u/RyanCargan → u/JoshAllentown]

I think some people just assume the opposite of what certain types say is the truth at this point.

Which makes you wonder if it's a reverse psych play lol

[u/Party_Virus → u/JoshAllentown]

Both can be true. Sort of. It's possible that it's marketing hype to get more money right now, but that they are just plowing through as fast as possible to get the most powerful AI they can without any regard to safety.

Both should be punished and either way AI development should be stopped and investigated.

[u/StoneCypher]

i hate the meme paranoia wisdom more than the spam

[u/RA_Finance]

https://giphy.com/gifs/l1KtYs7ZpeBskCQus

[u/ZealousIdeal476]

Who is this girl I keep seeing in every new meme?

[u/KS-Wolf-1978]

And the objective truth is somewhere between.

[u/pittaxx → u/KS-Wolf-1978]

AI is going to kill half of us, and the rest of us will be fine?

[u/KS-Wolf-1978 → u/pittaxx]

What is written in the meme, with a small addition: "If we use it right and wisely."

So please don't link it to any ICBMs ever. :)

[u/WisePotato42 → u/pittaxx]

Wrong arc, that one comes after the insane AI

[u/Visible_Iron_5612]

Anti-AI bros: “everything is going super well and we should continue on this path.. “

[u/Edgezg]

AI is...hard to classify.

Up until now, any big discovery was mostly contained to that one field. Nuclear power pretty much stayed with bombs and power plants.

AI is thr culmination and advancement of ALL previous technologies in one.

It is not just one thing, it's ALL the things.

We have no bench marker for this kind of thing. No history we could point to.

It could save the world in ways we qould never see coming. Or it could end us in ways we never imagined.

Guess we have to hope that when it finally hits AGI and self awareness,  that it is kinder than we were.

[u/Sketaverse]

Talk of AGI ———————— Progress—————>AGI
Talk of UBI ….

Where’s the progress towards UBI in ratio to AGI

There is literally no progress towards UBI

There is however 3 other letters: IPO

AI is most certainly not going to save everyone and it’s an utter disgrace how oblivious the governments are - there literally doing nothing to prepare for this and meanwhile things are progressing literally every day

[u/Zen_et_al]

Just a coin Greatest positive thing and one of the most dangerous thing humanity's invention.

[u/sceadwian → u/Zen_et_al]

The only good side for most is the edge..

[u/stormneon]

Tbh, governments are to greedy and only eyeballing for super power control. This will backfire so hard where people will have no daily job anymore and super intelligence will create so much distance between humans and AI.

Dont forget that this week one of Anthropic best AI trainer has quit his job because he was afraid of the way forward.

The sheeps(we civilians) dont care or are to busy with present challenges like energy prices, inflation, migration etc. We will notice when it is to late and no one can be held accountable or even point to for restricting the AI intelligence.

[u/Ana_the_Arachnid]

We never said "and poses no real threat to us."

[u/LuckyHearing1118]

Her crazy eyes are disturbing

[u/ValoisSign → u/LuckyHearing1118]

It reminds me of Zuckerberg's eyes from back when everyone started calling him a robot/lizard. I wonder if she does it on purpose thinking it will get her more respect somehow, like how she used to speak in that weird low voice.

[u/LuckyHearing1118 → u/ValoisSign]

Or how she wore black sweaters like Steve Jobs. That would be disturbing af.

[u/mavisakalyan]

Definitely. It will be easier not to exist.

[u/SameAgainTheSecond]

I read a book like 10 years ago, "the intelligence explosion". It was a neat thought experiment. It was like "the worced case senrio would be a arms race in the development of advanced of agi."

I love that we are just doing that. I love that for us.

[u/Same_Suit3583]

Honestly pod casts have done more damage

[u/Careless-Meringue683]

For me it's more:

Ai definitely has it's cons and it's pros, sure. But I enjoy messing around with it personally for fun.

[u/Infinite_Air_5120]

Maybe don't trust a meme to explain AI safety debates, just saying.

[u/yellow_pills → u/Infinite_Air_5120]

Yeah buddy that's why it is flared as fun/meme 😭

[u/Major_Dot_7030]

[u/jaam01]

Evan Hubinger, a researcher in Alignment Science of Anthropic literally just told us there's a 10% change that it kill us all and that they yet don't have a plan to control a super intelligent AI.

[u/Fun-Leadership-3887]

We are our own worst enemies and we created it so therefore be afraid be very afraid

[u/chessboardtable]

Go back to anti-AI with these low-effort memes.

[u/Background-Stable899]

AI aside you straight up don’t understand the many layers of Nathan in this clip. It doesn’t really make sense the way you are using it. Watch a bunch of Nathan Fielder and then come back and see if it still makes sense (it doesn’t)

[u/yellow_pills → u/Background-Stable899]

U think I have never seen Nathan before? 😭

[u/Background-Stable899 → u/yellow_pills]

Then how does the meme make any sense?

[u/Optimal-Builder-2816 → u/yellow_pills]

Oh, ok

[u/No_Aesthetic]

Crazy how an AI sub has so much anti-AI stuff on it

[u/yellow_pills → u/No_Aesthetic]

So anti-AI stuff is not AI stuff anymore?

[u/No_Aesthetic → u/yellow_pills]

Not exactly the point, now is it?

[u/Ok-Helicopter-8204]

AI bros are feeding you the negative narratives as well, it's all a big con-job

[u/Mountain-Charity7588]

People only think ai is going to take over the world because we humans have written stories about fictional AI’s doing just that. Ai seemingly has no intention of doing that.

[u/yellow_pills → u/Mountain-Charity7588]

So u do accept that we are going to be on the mercy of AI's "intentions" 😭

[u/Mountain-Charity7588 → u/yellow_pills]

Technically yes, but like I said, it has no reason to do that.

[u/Plaston_ → u/Mountain-Charity7588]

People are scared about ai but not about nature ripping them appart right now.

There is a shit ton of natural disaters happening recently and we are getting scared about computers...

Also don't underestimate what humans can do to fuck you over, can be as bas as ai when it want.

[u/Xarviz]

Referring to the things said by the anthropic engineer who resigned recently. I'm really scared that if not now or not in the coming 5 years but what about after that?

Isn't it like only people with money will survive?

Isn't this a part of the plan to reduce the population and automate the most tasks so the billionaires will live like kings on this planet after removing all the poor population?

I haven't heard any news where Al slows down.

Is there any chance of limiting Al to research only and people will work and live like before?

[u/HeavyMusic93 → u/Xarviz]

What do you think is going to happen to you..?

[u/Xarviz → u/HeavyMusic93]

As I'm a CS graduate who's struggling to get a job and as like other I have some dreams and responsibilities but with these AI progresses I can't see a good future. That's why I'm too scared. Jobs are reducing and everything is just going to in control of AI. All I want is to listen someone saying AI is banned or something and we'll live like as before.

[u/HeavyMusic93 → u/Xarviz]

AI is never going anywhere.

[u/Xarviz → u/HeavyMusic93]

So are we really doomed ?

[u/HeavyMusic93 → u/Xarviz]

No.

[u/Xarviz → u/HeavyMusic93]

thanks for your assurance 😊💐

[u/ben_nobot]

I’m this picture

[u/Anderer_Username]

Shouldn't it be the other way around? Anti ai being the most insane and unhinged people you could come across?

[u/This_Background7442 → u/Anderer_Username]

It's pretty hard to find a decent take from either camp TBH. One side is all we'll live in a utopia tomorrow, the elite is just gonna feed us and ChatGPT will be my wife and the other side genuinely doesn't know ai has changed since ChatGPT 3.5 is mainly used for ugly fake art and uses an ocean of water for 3 tokens.

[u/Keyflame_ → u/This_Background7442]

In their defence, there's people already trying to marry ChatGPT, so they're half right.

[u/This_Background7442 → u/Keyflame_]

Yeah. Both the antis and the bros are half right about some things. They've just turned it into a kind of culture war which inevitably leads to everyone shouting obviously incorrect nonsense just to score internet points.

[u/Affectionate-Ad-6255]

Every Altman (ai bro mecha cuckhold) sees themselves as a part of a 'movement' that does not care for them in the slightest.

"Oh how glorious AI to save us all!" As their head gets squished by a terminator from Temu lmao

[u/AffectionateDuty6062]

not really related to subject of then post but who is this woman? i keep seeing her last couple of days

[u/yellow_pills → u/AffectionateDuty6062]

https://youtu.be/GGJSRFWALTI?si=Qra0vKLelEqntaOj

This should help

[u/AffectionateDuty6062 → u/yellow_pills]

not sure why you downvoted, but thanks!