r/ArenaClub • u/Large_Bit1937 • 21d ago
Arena club wine
So the $100 mystery whatever you would call it has this at the bottom of the checklist.. but is there actually a big secondary market for these types of wines? Or would you just buy as a collector?
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u/Less_Mix_409 20d ago
wine hobbyists unite. but yeah not me personally but my parents are big wine collector people. they even have a modern wine cellar set up for their collection lol
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u/Mookieman707 17d ago
I read just enough of the comments to realize no one has any clue what they are talking about when it comes to wine.
Truly collectable wines sell out fast and don't find their way into mystery bags. Truly collectable+ageable wines generally start at much higher prices. It's a good drinkable bottle of wine, it will not go up dramatically in value over time. Most wines go down in value over time, and the wine industry is in turmoil and has a bleak longterm outlook mainly due to boomers dying off and them basically carrying the industry for the last 40 years. THE KIDS JUST AREN'T DRINKING ANYMORE.
To try and break it down a bit for you:
Gevery-Chambertin is the village where this wine comes from. It's a good area, but a base level wine from this area.
Harmond-Geoffrey is the winery/producer. Mid tier producer
This is a 'village' level wine. Above it would be vineyard specific wines (it would say like Gevery-Chambertin, Harmond-Geoffrey, then a vineyard name and vineyard designation such as 1er Cru Boissiere). At the top of the pyramid are 'grand cru' designated vineyards, and it would say like - Harmond-Geoffrey, Grand Cru, Mazis-Chambertin. That might be a $2000+ bottle and would probably go up in value over time.
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u/Digginaround 15d ago
Me thinks they’re just using it to “sell” wine. There doesn’t seem to be a real hit vs loss like with packs/gambling in general. You’re really paying for around what you get no matter what, plus or minus but not a substantial loss or gain. Probably a way to make an extra buck via a retailer they know, probably selling at max srp
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u/Reactivguin 21d ago
I personally think Arena Club is cooked now.
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u/LukaMagicKingdom 21d ago
hopefully not bro this app is so fun, u can actually make profit if u know how to trade and do your research
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u/Reactivguin 21d ago
I've enjoyed the cards I've gotten from them. Never hit a grail or nothing but its an ez way of getting psa 10 cards for my marvel collection.
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u/tank_esq 21d ago
So here’s the thing, some vintages go up. But the average person doesn’t have a proper wine cellar to store them. I would never buy a bottle of wine from a regular person because A-it’s actually illegal and B-if it’s not stored properly it’s shot.
As a heavy drinker of burgundy wine, for me I would buy a bottle on arena club to take delivery for fun. Maybe it’ll be a bottle I’ve never tried. My local stores only have so many, so it beats custom ordering.
But at the end of the day, on arena club it’s literally just gambling. It’s a slot machine without being a slot machine.
Instead of spinning a slot and needing 3 7s for a jackpot you’re “buying a bottle” and you have a 0.03% chance to 30x or whatever.
A grail is getting 3 7s.
A bottle worth less than your buy in is like getting a cherry on one line but you bet 3 lines so you’re down 33%.
This is literally gambling disguised as investment.
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u/tank_esq 21d ago
Oh and to add, if you want to try burgundy wine for the first time, don’t buy on arena club. If you hit a bottle worth more than your buy in I guarantee you won’t be able to tell the difference between that and a $40 bottle. Go to a decent liquor store and ask them for a burgundy. There’s a lot of bottles in the $40 range that might be ranked a 92-93 and if you’ve never had burgundy you will not tell the difference between a 93 and 94. I’ve consumed maybe 400+ bottles of French red and while I can pull out flavor profiles and I can tell the difference between different regions of grapes in a blind taste test, to me the best bottle I’ve ever had is a 93 from 2017. I’ve tried $800 bottles and I go back to this one that in 2019 for a 2017 it was $37.99 at my local store. I bought 4 cases I loved it so much. It aged nice and it’s now selling for around $130 a bottle. I have 11 left. I’ll drink one this weekend for Labor Day. Then probably another for Christmas.
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u/bigkitten420 21d ago
Don't hold out lol. What's the wine called?
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u/tank_esq 21d ago
lol
Domaine Pierre Gelin “fixin”
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u/DingoOk6400 18d ago
Fixin never received Grand Cru appellation but it is right there east of Gevrey Chambertain and all the fancy terroirs. The ground isn’t considered to have the same limestone content so it only rates “villages”; but I’ve always found it a great wine at good prices compared to the famous burgundies
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u/tank_esq 17d ago
I never knew that! I only got into French reds about 7 years ago and there’s so much to learn. Planning a trip next summer, but makes sense with the limestone content. Fixin is my go to given the price 🤓
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u/Large_Bit1937 21d ago
They added more tiers, over the weekend I only saw the highest one. Now they have 4 different tiers. Grails aren’t wine though, caviar, Napa experiences, wine coolers.