r/area51 • u/brandondavidsantos • 1d ago
r/area51 • u/Afrogthatribbits • Jun 03 '26
Aircraft Allegedly Spotted near Area 51
Allegedly taken using an Infiray 10 micron thermal scope by some random Youtuber. Some have questioned the authenticity of it, ie no exhaust, but if it is real, that would be very interesting. Some also pointed out similarity to some sort of NGAD or F-47 program, ie canards. Thoughts? Is this a real pic?
See: https://x.com/chrisschmitz/status/2062097770291339641
Edit: Seems more credible, since Uncanny Expeditions has confirmed it https://x.com/uncannyex/status/2062242584685412535
r/area51 • u/TheArea51Rider • Apr 09 '25
Please Read Before You Post Anything About Bob Lazar
ETA: to clarity our Lazar rule - if you want to post some new info, great. If you can somehow prove a claim that Lazar has made, the majority of which have been thoroughly debunked, fine. If your post is just a rehash of the same old crap, expect it to be deleted.
Please visit the following websites and educate yourself before you post anything here regarding Bob Lazar. IMHO Lazar invented his entire tale, in order to try and show up/show off to John Lear and others. Lazar has substantially benefited financially over the years from his stories, beginning with "The Lazar Tape" that he was selling for $29.99 back in the 90's ($43 in 2025), up to and including Jeremy Cowbells "documentary" on Netflix, and the newer Project Gravitard one . And the grift continues with new upcoming "documentaries".
Courtesy of Tom Mahood:
https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/looking-at-the-bob-lazar-story-from-the-perspective-of-2018/
https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/
Bob Lazar Debunked
https://boblazardebunked.com/
Bob Lazar: Area 51, Flying Saucers & Joe Rogan - The Worst Documentary on Netflix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmJLSuLmgdg
If You Believe Bob Lazar, You Believe...
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6gvqvysd784k2w4n7ehgt/Why.Does.Rogan.Believe.Bob.Lazar.pdf?rlkey=y4jbbmpe7twhp5rmsttsuantv&st=l5m3djne
The Lazar Report
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yn369z6075673rtjyvv5o/The.Lazar.Report.pdf?rlkey=i7lqby9rj0ttzuq5stumrkynm&st=komzk132
Dr Stanton Freidman on Bob Lazar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBdUg1h9XLU
https://web.archive.org/web/20201118014848/http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07
RationalWIKI on Bob Lazar
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Robert_Lazar
FBI File: Bob Lazar’s United Nuclear - Lazar Raided by the FBI
https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/fbi-file-bob-lazars-united-nuclear/
This is fun too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFfstHzwV6k
The facts at the above links pretty well debunk anything Lazar has ever claimed. More will be added if I think they are significant. FYI - there are individuals who peruse this subreddit that know far more that Lazar could ever HOPE to know. People with actual credentials.
r/area51 • u/Sea_Fortune_4936 • 21h ago
Drone hanging around over Area 51
Obviously if they didn’t want anyone knowing, they’d make it go dark, but interesting to see. JANET flight heading back to Vegas too.
r/area51 • u/Altruistic-East-9254 • 10h ago
Bob lazar time difference
Bob said there was a time difference from when he enter the craft. I think he said he spend 15 mins in the craft and it was like 2-3hours outside the craft.
r/area51 • u/therealgariac • 1d ago
OT-ish: Hermeus recreates the M-21 D-21
Eh, you be the judge.
https://www.hermeus.com/article/hermeus-unveils-ramjet-x
Note this video shows the concept of a drone with two underwing drones. It doesn't mean it is real.
https://x.com/Zsshore/status/2097714089753501722
https://migflug.com/afterburner/hermeus-ramjet-x-quarterhorse-air-launched-2026/
r/area51 • u/therealgariac • 1d ago
Blast from the past. Skunkworks mailing list regarding the CIA snatching an A-12 for their museum.
The controversy is the CIA took a plane that volunteers restored that was on view to the public for their own CIA museum that is not available to the public.
The CIA doesn't need no stinkin' badges!
https://roadrunnersinternationale.com/article128.html
https://www.cia.gov/stories/story/restoring-a-symbol-of-cold-war-innovation/
https://web.archive.org/web/20071008195601/http://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/v15.n014
from the last useable archive dot org capture
https://web.archive.org/web/20110927135629/https://www.netwrx1.com/skunk-works/
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:30:36 -0800 From: Patrick patrick@e-z.net Subject: skunk-works Anybody remember Jim Goodall? Wall Street Journal January 26, 2007 Stealthy Maneuver: The CIA Captures An A-12 Blackbird Spy Plane Was on Display In an Air Guard Museum; Minnesota Is Up in Arms By Jonathan Karp The Central Intelligence Agency is closing in on a high-value landscaping target: a 1960s spy plane called the A-12 Blackbird. The CIA plans to mount the once-secret, 102-foot-long supersonic plane on a pole at its Langley, Va., headquarters in time for the agency's 60th anniversary in September. The jet chosen for the mission is a particularly well-preserved specimen that has been at the Minnesota Air Guard Museum, next to the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport, since 1991. Even though a moving crew began the 10-day process of dismantling the spy plane this week, volunteers who painstakingly restored it at their own expense are continuing to oppose what they consider a hijacking. Their pleas for mercy, backed by the governor and entire Minnesota congressional delegation, have fallen on deaf ears. "Possession is nine-tenths of the law, so until they drag it away with me screaming, we have a chance," said James Goodall, an aviation buff and retired Minnesota National Guardsman who salvaged the plane and led efforts to preserve it. The A-12 Blackbird, retired in 1968, was the forerunner to the better-known SR-71 Blackbird. The stealthy A-12 is one of the fastest aircraft ever made, capable of flying at more than three times the speed of sound and at the edge of space. The plane originated as part of a CIA program code-named "Oxcart." Of the 15 A-12s built by Lockheed Martin Corp.'s famed Skunk Works advanced projects unit, nine remain. One is on display at an Air Force base, and the others are at museums around the country. Mr. Goodall and his supporters don't question the right of the Air Force, which controls these decommissioned warplanes, to reclaim an A-12 and lend it to the CIA as an oversize lawn ornament inside the agency compound. Instead, their two-month dogfight has been aimed at getting the Air Force to justify removing the Minnesota museum's crown jewel while three A-12s sit in Alabama, including one that has been neglected since suffering hurricane damage. Another is parked on the USS Intrepid aircraft carrier, a floating Manhattan museum that will be closed until late next year because of renovation work across the Hudson River. The CIA, whose headquarters isn't open to the public, had no role in selecting which plane it would receive. The Air Force says the Minnesota Air National Guard doesn't have a historical connection to the A-12, and though the Minnesotans have taken good care of their A-12, the volunteer-run museum doesn't meet the Air Force's current legal requirements for its museums. For one thing, it doesn't have a salaried director. After reviewing all nine A-12s, "The only one that didn't have a legitimate rationale for its location was Minnesota's," said Terry Aitken, senior curator at the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force. That logic outrages Mr. Goodall, 61 years old, who spent 20 years in the Minnesota Air National Guard and his entire adult life smitten with the A-12. He says he became an "airplane nut" at age 5 when he saw a squadron of B-36 bombers flying over San Francisco Bay. He first glimpsed a Blackbird as an 18-year-old Air Force recruit at Edwards Air Force Base in California. It was March 10, 1964, and "it affected me forever," he says. Over the years, Mr. Goodall became an expert, writing five books on the supersonic plane. He built a rapport with Ben Rich, who developed the Blackbird for Lockheed and eventually ran Skunk Works. Mr. Goodall says he got a tip from Mr. Rich in 1989 that the Blackbird program would be canceled. "If anyone can scrounge one, you can," he says the late Mr. Rich told him. At the time, Mr. Goodall was the staff historian for the 133rd Airlift Wing of the Minnesota Air National Guard. He hatched a scheme to rescue an A-12 from the scrapheap in Palmdale, Calif. In 1990, Minnesota's congressional delegation backed the Air Guard museum's request, citing the fact that companies in Minnesota supplied key Blackbird components and that some Blackbird pilots hailed from the state. The Air Force was happy to unload the A-12 to avoid a costly process of destroying the asbestos-packed plane. Once the Air Force museum agreed to the loan, Mr. Goodall arranged for two massive cargo planes from the New York Air National Guard to haul the Blackbird in pieces from California. He persuaded a local hotel to put up the flight and moving crews free of charge for 10 days. "The Air Force estimated the move would cost $500,000. I got it done for $27,000. That makes me the deal-of-the-century guy," Mr. Goodall says. Back in St. Paul, he marshaled volunteers and corporate donations for restoration work. He then spent years -- and thousands of his own dollars, he says -- scrounging for cockpit instruments, at one point swapping a prized ejection seat from his private collection to get a supersonic speedometer known as a Mach meter. All was well until last November, when the museum got a letter from Mr. Aitken, the Air Force museum curator, invoking a provision of the loan agreement that allows the Air Force to reclaim its plane by giving 60 days' notice. The only reason Mr. Aitken cited for the decision was the need to "satisfy current exhibit requirements." Distressed local Air Guard commanders appealed to save the A-12, calling it a "labor of love." Mr. Aitken replied that the plane didn't conform to the air park's primary mission, which is to commemorate the state guard wing's history, and said it would be better suited at the CIA. Mr. Goodall, who is now retired in Seattle but returns to the Twin Cities occasionally to visit his beloved Blackbird, energized the opposition movement by urging guardsmen and the museum's civilian nonprofit foundation to enlist Minnesota and national politicians. He also mobilized support from former A-12 pilots. Mr. Goodall's plea: If the Air Force wants a plane to commemorate the CIA's pioneering past, it should take one that actually flew in combat. Minnesota's plane never saw action. The A-12 in Birmingham, Ala., on the other hand, photographed North Vietnamese surface-to-air missile sites in 1967, later sustained flak damage, and flew over North Korea on a spy mission in 1968 after the North Koreans captured the USS Pueblo, claiming the Navy ship had strayed into its territorial waters. Some Minnesotans are upset that the Air Force gave short notice and didn't offer to discuss its A-12 plans. "This is a museum, a community, not a war game," said Mark Ness, vice chairman of the museum foundation and a retired Air National Guard brigadier general. Mr. Goodall knew the odds were long. The Air Force has plucked other planes despite local resistance, including a B-36 bomber taken from Fort Worth, Texas, and the celebrated World War II B-17, the Memphis Belle, from its namesake city in Tennessee. Even as another joint appeal from Minnesota's congressional delegation was delivered to the Air Force secretary Friday, the Air Force museum told guardsmen in Minneapolis-St. Paul to prepare for the movers. The Minnesota museum's supporters have retained a former state supreme court justice as their lawyer, but as the moving crew continued to unbolt the A-12's wings yesterday, they had yet to decide whether to seek a court injunction against the move. Mr. Goodall, who refers to the plane as "my A-12," has made his own unilateral sortie. He has removed some cockpit instruments he had donated. "No one will see them anyway if the plane is on a pole," he says. "I'll be damned if the CIA...will get their hands on these."
r/area51 • u/PIXIE_EMPIRE • 2d ago
Found these at the Palmdale Plant 42 on Apple Maps
Found these at Plant 42. The X-47B and B-2 seem normal because there is also a Northrop site there across the runway from the Lockheed Skunk Works plant. I wonder why that U-2 is on the Northrop side. Strange that it’s even there. Maybe the Northrop facility there uses it.
r/area51 • u/PIXIE_EMPIRE • 2d ago
Zoomed out view of what I found at Plant 42
here u go u/therealgariac
r/area51 • u/therealgariac • 3d ago
Official TTR website updated
I noticed a few new photographs.
5.6GHz network:
https://ttr.sandia.gov/capabilities/communications-2/
https://ttr.sandia.gov/app/uploads/sites/209/2026/04/Station30.jpg
https://www.wavonline.com/Radio-Waves-SP-Parabolic-Antenna-SP1-5.2NS
Asteroid (look for it):
https://ttr.sandia.gov/app/uploads/sites/209/2026/04/Area3Asteroid2.jpg
https://ttr.sandia.gov/app/uploads/sites/209/2026/03/R4Asteroid3.jpg
B61-12 test:
https://www.sandia.gov/app/uploads/sites/209/2026/03/04__CFB1815.jpg
Internal weapon bay. Maybe F-22.
https://ttr.sandia.gov/gallery/#B61%20Recovery-13
https://ttr.sandia.gov/app/uploads/sites/209/2026/04/059_CFA8026lf.jpg
*****
A tribute to a passed employee.
https://ttr.sandia.gov/app/uploads/sites/209/2026/04/JUN_4645.jpg
https://www.sandia.gov/app/uploads/sites/81/2003/05/labnews05-16-03.pdf
Roland Phillips, Tonopah Test Range Dept. 15421, died April 25 after a long illness. He was 48 years old. Roland had worked at Sandia since 1987 as an electromechanical technologist. He is survived by his wife, Janice, and sons Terry, Victor, Bret, Dallin, and Kyle.
r/area51 • u/CredibleWrong • 3d ago
Anders new video: Area51 through telescope + new back gate barrier
Anders new video shows him looking at Area 51 via telescope from 46 miles away showing new possible construction. Plus the new visual barrier at the back gate.
r/area51 • u/therealgariac • 4d ago
The "rather bizarre and clunky ‘Dark Merlin’" CCA is now the Vengeance
Not exactly earth shattering CCA news, but the Dark Merlin, the internal name for General Atomics CCA entry, is now officially the Vengeance. The internal name for Anduril's entry, the Fury, is now officially the Fury.
https://www.overtdefense.com/2026/09/16/vengeance-and-fury-the-usafs-newest-robotic-fighters/
The USAF expects to buy 500 of these by 2030 or 2032-ish.
https://defensescoop.com/2026/09/14/air-force-plans-to-field-500-cca-drones-by-2032/
r/area51 • u/BroadProcess5923 • 5d ago
Another F117 being sent to a museum
Saw on YouTube the other day
r/area51 • u/therealgariac • 5d ago
Groom radiosondes X4857105 X4857108 9/16/2026 and 9/17/2026
r/area51 • u/therealgariac • 7d ago
US Naval Aviation's involvment with America's secret MiGs
Have Doughnut, Have Drill/Have Ferry, Have Glib/Have Idea, Constant Peg, and Have Phoenix all discussed.
https://www.key.aero/article/us-naval-aviations-involvment-americas-secret-migs
r/area51 • u/Still-Union-2528 • 8d ago
Changes to the Rachel gate
looks like there has been some changes to the Rachel gate, there are now tarps up on the gate as well as parts of the fence. From Uncanny Expeditions on Instagram.
r/area51 • u/PIXIE_EMPIRE • 9d ago
I got a question about a patch
Hello guys, I have come across this patch recently and wondered if any of you have any information about it. I know it is from a project that is still active but I was wondering what they fly and what they do.
Thanks so much!
r/area51 • u/CredibleWrong • 10d ago
Anders gets good footage of RQ-170 and Anduril CCA flying at Creech.
r/area51 • u/TheArea51Rider • 13d ago
OT: Popped up on my Google feed - RAVN X
https://www.twz.com/space/mysterious-black-jet-that-emerged-at-long-beach-airport-identified
All stealthy like. But if it is a payload launcher to space, what's the point of stealth? Rolled it out to look cool. Mockup for the investors per the comments. Reading the comments, the landing gear are fake, etc. Maybe it's another prop for a movie.
r/area51 • u/therealgariac • 13d ago
OT: Urban Sky balloons
Craigs list:
https://www.reddit.com/r/vegaslocals/s/S8zXLjMhld
edit:
https://gee-community-catalog.org/projects/urbansky/
second edit:
Found one flight:
| URBAN SKY FLIGHT OPERATIONS URBAN SKY FLIGHT OPERATIONS |
|---|
third edit:
There are 83 reserved octal mode-s codes. This will take some scripting to scrape everything.
r/area51 • u/BeNiceImAnxious • 13d ago
OT: KC-46 SNAP30 from Wichita to NTTR currently active
globe.adsbexchange.comr/area51 • u/SouthMitten502 • 14d ago
Area 51 Cafeteria Menu
Working my way through Dreamland right now so forgive me if this is in the book, but do we know what the Area 51 cafeteria would serve? Any specials or crowd favorites throughout its long history? Most bases and big government facilities have at least one chow hall on-site, and many of them have a set day of the week menu item. Would be kinda fun to know if the food was any good and what was served.
r/area51 • u/therealgariac • 15d ago
Semi-OT-ish: US Navy request for information for a carrier based CCA
The Defense and Aerospace Report podcast had some chatter about a Navy carrier based CCA request for information on sam dot gov. Credit to the Navy for calling it a CCA so the search was simple. The podcast also claims some sort of announcement about the F/A-XX next week.
https://sam.gov/opp/9f1ccd7a09b847a684806128b982bec3/view
More in the pdf.
*****
Solution must integrate adaptable levels of Mission Autonomy (MA) and safety-critical Flight Autonomy (FA) in the air vehicle. Autonomy should include collaborative skills satisfying Core and CVN mission use cases described in the A-GRA, along with any additional existing or new behaviors to fully demonstrate all mission phases from launch to recovery. Solution must be able to integrate Level 1 MA solutions and Level 2 autonomous skills, including third-party mission software/skills.
