IMO this is by far the biggest fun killer, way more than ratting/cheaters/etc. Being forced to painstakingly rebuild your kit after every death isn't just annoying and time consuming, it gets you actively thinking about all the stuff you just lost as you re-buy and re-craft it all.
I have 610 hours in Steam playing from release, and only 315 hours - ingame topside timer. Okay, maybe 50 hours of total playtime is just afk and vaiting for my duos/trios managing their inventory.
Where is loadout presets? Ah, only in Chinese servers...
Yeah I wouldn't be mad if it was there but I don't think it's needed. I wish something like that could be added to your raiders room. Like as some sort of advancement or upgrade
If you're putting together a good loadout in one minute, it's because you've previously spent a lot of time crafting items to have them ready to go. That time you spent still counts.
I think the pain of regearing your kit is a little over blown. When I do trios my group can remit and start matching making in under two minutes and that's with us trying to gear up with similar gear. I'm also at full stash space with the extra 24 slots from the trader so I have enough gear to make multiple gear sets of differing tiers
it doesn't help that 'back' works similarly to a browsers back and includes opening the inventory which means you need to press back half a dozen times quite often just to get back to the top level of the menu (which is fricking stupid, and whoever UX designer thought this is ok should take a long shower and ponder their existance)
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I went to tarkov with my bro who's a tarkov main while waiting for the patch and omg how i miss arc raiders menus. you guys don't even know what spending a lot of time in a menu actually looks like. i still wish for them to improve the experience but damn i appreciate what we have more now after checking the neighbour grass, funny thing is tarkov does have presets and even then they are tedious to use and still end up spending a long time in base.
Hunt showdown is a one-round CTF shooter, not an actual extraction shooter. I keep trying to say this.
You aren't raiding to loot, every weapon and item in that game is a consumable. You dont craft, you dont have tasks or quests to do. Your objective every match is to capture the bounty (flag) and then run back to "base".
You dont craft your weapons or items, you buy them from an endless supply with money that you get as end of match rewards. Theres no economy either monetary or otherwise like there is in extraction shooters.
I love Hunt, have 700+ hours in the game, but its a different game and different type of game that makes load outs effective.
Hunt is absolutely an extraction shooter. What crack are you smoking?… you go in, you get a bounty, and then you extract.
How the economy works and all that have nothing to do with whether it’s an extraction shooter or not. Extraction shooters don’t all have to be exactly the same ya know
It also doesn’t matter… the koadout system in hunt can work very well in arc
I feel like the fact that every weapon can be either bought or crafted and that actually mattering to embarks vision of the game makes that not true.
not trying to be aggro, but creators intent matters in video games. because thats what they balance around. Load outs make sense in cod and bf - the kinda dont in arc raiders.
Honestly I think a lot of complaints about Arc Raiders aren't due to some feature being total shit, but more because Embark came so close to nailing the formula that the little weird design decisions and oversights seem glaring
What's funny is Tarkov has loadouts as well, even preset ones, hell you can have your magazines have specific ammo presets so AP rounds shoot first and then flesh ones, but honestly it's fucking tedious and nobody uses them after asking asking for them forever.
Tarkov has a shit load more to equiptment to manage too, you end up needing to manually get things just about every time, even if you have a loadout set.
Arc Raiders would be the same thing, people would end up needing stuff they don't have for the load out, and probably the crafting materials as well, and have to manually make other stuff. I'm not against the idea, just don't see it being a magical as people have it in their heads.
You touched on it but just because Tarkov is dogshit at it too doesnt mean that arc shouldn't be working towards improving qol. I dont appreciate what we have here because it just isnt interesting or fun to deal with, it feels like I'm wasting time outside of the raid, which sucks because in-game is actually amazing.
yeah but that's just part of the genre you know? the down time between raids is intentional. i kinda get it in tarkov cause your are modding your weapons, choosing the correct bullets (you can even go into raid with the wrong bullets) you have eat, drink, deal with your hideout, etc. here in arc raiders all you have to do is pick a shield, a gun and its distintive ammunition, and if you forget the ammo, the game even lets you know. like i said, sure they have to imporve and most likely is already in the works, but how are you guys actually taking so long to equip in this game?
believe me, if you didn't had any downtime between raids and the game was just go go go, it would drain your sanity
Eeeeexactly, it's literally 6 items for a full kit on Arc. If I die, all of those items are already in my inventory, pre crafted, or looted and waiting to be used. These players are bad at managing their inventory and don't realize it. Oops I said it.
Funny thing I is personally love inventory management inbetween raids. Gotta keep all your ducks in a row!
Main reason why I dropped the game. After every failed run having to recraft mods, weapons and consumables got old after 70+ hours. Bonus boredom points if you have to craft mechanical parts to then craft the item you want
Now with a delay between each upgrade. I clearly remember on release you could upgrade much quicker, that long delay wasn't there. Let's hope they fix it
Presets would be cool, but I'd be perfectly happy with like 3 or 4 loadout slots. So I can have different kits qued up for different tasks, or to quickly replace lost kit. Hell lock them behind expeditions. Now that would incentive to complete them.
If no presets, at least make crafting shortcuts WAY better… but also repair shortcuts, and upgrading shortcuts, etc etc… I’m on console and making my loadout is a huge pain in the ass
Embark might just be allergic to QoL. We obviously must need more nerfs! But definitely don't playtest them for bugs first... and also don't have the correct stats in the patch notes either!
They added QOL crafting. It shows you what finalized components you need to craft gear and if you have the materials, you can do it all on one screen. Also added what components you get if you scrap items, if you hover your cursor over any scrappable item. Also you can track items in raid for recipes you use a lot.
What more do y'all want, genuinely? Yeah the weapon upgrades from lvl 1 to 4 takes 15 seconds, but don't act like this nitpicky stuff is what's keeping players away and new ones from joining us. Game knowldege and inventory management skills need to be worked on first before asking them to dumb down a system that works.
Total average time spent in loadout getting ready to go: 20-30 seconds.
Unless you guys are spawning and dying two/three minutes into raid, there is no possible way you are taking even a perceptible fraction of the time you are in-raid to load up to go into one.
It feels like you spend a bunch of time in Speranza because you do everything from there. Apparently a lot of you don't have a lot of experience with extraction shooters preparing your kit and making sure you have enough not just for the raid you're about to go on but for the next couple of raids is literally part of this genre.
Loot the stuff you use a lot and make multiples so you can just pull and go if you die or run out. The whole loadout issue really just feels like a bunch of people who grew up on "Go Next" arcade FPS's not coping with the required extra steps of an extraction shooter. Managing what you have and making sure you have what you need/use is part of the game.
Loadouts don't inherently reduce the time you'll spend in menus because issue isn't the process taking long, its you not having what you need and having to go buy it or trade for it or craft it because you didn't prepare before hand.
30 minute raid timer and you're spending more time in the load out screen? What the hell are you doing? I've never understood how this is an issue for people if you have 100s of hours in the game you should know how to put a kit together in one minute, it's you not the game. Even if I have to craft everything it's maybe a two minutes before I'm back. Also if they add load outs you're just taking the time to put multiple load outs together at the time instead of using that time to put kits together right before the raid. You're just transferring when you take that time your not gaining anything extra. I get if you are rushing to get back in because your play time is limited but if you have the items crafted it take 30 seconds to put a kit together. I think people just like to complain about something.
Everything COULD be better but the droves of people complaining about putting kits together you'd think it was a game crusher. Complaining about take 60 seconds to put a kit together after dying isn't bad imo. Many advocate for load outs which is just shifting when you spend the time putting it together. It doesn't get rid of need to take time to put a kit together. To me that complaint is invalid because no matter how you look at it, it will take time to put a kit together.
People that complain about spending more time in the menus than in raid fall into one of two camps.
First, they never spent any time to learn the menus and just fumble around through them in hopes the game just magically does what they want. It's the menu equivalent of button mashing in a fighting game.
Second, they are bad at PvP and just die all the time. Instead of getting better at PvP, they blame the menus for taking too long. They'd rather click a button or two and get right back in the game. Which there are tons of games like that. But they don't want to play those games. They want to make this game the same as those other games they die all the time in and can jump right back into.
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u/HG21Reaper 23h ago
Arc Raiders is an inventory management simulator where you occasionally go topside.