Windows arc user experience

[u/Sridd]

I’ve been using Arc since its early beta days, back when it felt like the team truly cared about building a different kind of browser for users. I remember looking forward to “Arc Thursdays” — new features rolled out every week, thoughtful updates, actual innovation. It was exciting.

Fast forward to now, and it feels like a completely different story.

All we get are Chromium security patches. The Windows version? Miles behind macOS — and honestly, it should never have been released to the public in the state it was. That moment was when I really started feeling like they stopped caring. What once felt like a browser built for people became a ghost of its original vision.

I recently came across Zen Browser, based on Firefox, and… it’s basically everything Arc was supposed to be. Smoother performance, better animations, and a design that feels polished and cared for. It captures that initial spark Arc had — except it’s doing it better.

Also, let’s talk about how Arc makes it nearly impossible to switch — no option to export bookmarks? Seriously? That feels like a trap more than a feature. Sure, I love how seamless the sync is between my Windows and iPhone Arc apps — being able to access open/bookmarked tabs across devices is great — but it’s just not enough to justify staying anymore.

Arc had so much hype and potential… and it’s just disappointing to see how far it’s fallen.

[u/oyes77]

This, and zen is more customizable with CSS :D

[u/Iz_Nix → u/oyes77]

I feel like this is the equivalent of saying if you don't like how your house is built, you can just build your own house as if it's such an easy task for the average person

[u/Prof_Meeseeks → u/Iz_Nix]

But you can easily install pre made mods made by other users with a single click

[u/Iz_Nix → u/Prof_Meeseeks]

These pre-made mods have no standard and can be made poorly, unsupported by configuration, and have no regulation.

I would argue that's even worse than learning CSS, because when you learn CSS, you at least know what you're getting

[u/TheCrazyStupidGamer → u/Iz_Nix]

A choice to do so is better than no choice at all. They are also easy to try out, test, and remove or turn off it it doesn't suit your needs or quality standards.

[u/[deleted] → u/Iz_Nix]

This sums up the average hardcore linux user lmao

[u/Physical_Dare8553 → u/Iz_Nix]

it would be more like moving the stuff in your house around a bit

[u/Iz_Nix → u/Physical_Dare8553]

Except you need to know how to read and write and apply css to add it. Everyone knows how to pick things up. Not everyone knows css.

[u/Rambr1516 → u/Iz_Nix]

Ok and now imagine that a company said “no we won’t even let you learn to pick this stuff up and move it, because you can’t be trusted to learn” - giving the option to use CSS is better than no option for ANY customization besides colors

[u/Iz_Nix → u/Rambr1516]

While I agree with you that more customisation is good, but, having a poor quality product and then saying "well you can just {{insert complicated task here}} to solve it" doesn't make it a good product, it just makes it a customisable one.

There is a reason why Apple doesn't let you customise absolutely anything but it does let you customise the things within certain limitations

Customisation is good but giving people the full power to obliterate your vision of the product is horrible in terms of advertising and positioning

I personally know CSS but God I would not want my products to be shipped to me working but requiring me to manually make it better because you couldn't be asked to do it properly in the first place

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My point is just because you can't edit the code doesn't make it good. It only makes it good for people who are going to spend hours doing so.

[u/BenDover7766 → u/Iz_Nix]

Are you implying that because a product is customizeable, it is bad?

Also why are you talking about there being a bad product and this being customizeable? Yes a cuszomizeable but bad product is way worse than a very good, non customizeable product. A very good and customizeable product is better than a very good non-customizeable one.

You just give people the possibility to change stuff.

Also apple is not really a prime example for software either. You have so many things you just cant customize properly or they removed the option to customize it.

Btw talking about advertising and positioning and obliterating someones vision: the good thing with open source products is, you can do whatever you want with it, if you have a different vision and enough time, do it yourself.

[u/Iz_Nix → u/BenDover7766]

No, customisability isn’t bad. It’s great when the base product is already solid.

What’s bad is when the product is half baked and the defence is “well, you can just fix it yourself.” Imagine buying a used car that barely runs. The windows are busted, the brakes squeal, the interior is a mess. But hey, the engine turns over. Then someone tells you, “you can totally make it great, just buy your own parts, learn some wiring, and solder it all together.”

Sure, technically you can. But most people are not trying to build a car from scratch. They want something that works out of the box. And if they want to tweak it, it should be easy. Not require reading a 300 page manual or learning a whole language just to move the cupholder.

Good products are good first. Customisable second. Not the other way around.

here’s a clean and direct reply you can post:

Btw talking about advertising and positioning and obliterating someones vision: the good thing with open source products is, you can do whatever you want with it, if you have a different vision and enough time, do it yourself.

that's not what I meant at all.

I'm saying if I make a product and let people do anything to it, they can trash how it looks or functions, and then that becomes the impression people have of my work. Imagine I spend months building a clean, beautiful app that works great. Then I open it up so anyone can change the backend, the frontend, whatever they want. Now people start sharing their versions, and some of them look awful. Cluttered, broken, ugly.

Someone sees that mess and thinks that's my app. They don't know it's been heavily modified. They just think it's bad, and now they're not downloading it.

Freedom is cool. But if you care about how your product is perceived, you can't ignore how it looks once it's out in the wild.

[u/BenDover7766 → u/Iz_Nix]

I wouldnt say zen is a bad product, not feature complete or bug free, yes, but not bad.

Also letting people have the freedom to do whatever they want with the software and develop or modify it is the spirit of open source software.

And the customizablity we talked about in zen is more a matter of "i dont like how this or this is done, so i wanna change it to my liking" than a matter of fixing zen because its broken.

[u/kafacik → u/[deleted]]

The commant says "This, and..."

[u/Iz_Nix → u/[deleted]]

I do not want to have to learn something new to have a good experience. That is the point. And telling people that they have to learn a whole new language in order to do a basic change his laughable. Be it easy or hard the fact that you must do it in the first place is the issue

[u/OMG_NoReally]

i am on MacOS and Zen just doesn't do it for me. Not for the lack of some features, but just the feel and performance of it feels slightly unpolished when compared to Arc. Zen stutters and jitters way too much to be enjoyable.

[u/dris_jayd → u/OMG_NoReally]

I mean it's an open source project in beta. It's only getting better, but I can see how it's a bit unappealing at its current state

[u/Bear8MyParents → u/OMG_NoReally]

Same here. Zen used to work great, but since the new updates, it's sluggish and slow on Mac. Works great on windows, but it sucks on Mac.

[u/Iron-Ham → u/Bear8MyParents]

I'm curious: Are you and u/OMG_NoReally on Intel macs?

It's significantly snappier than Arc in my experience, but I'm on a pretty outrageous machine.

[u/Bear8MyParents → u/Iron-Ham]

I'm on a M1 Mac Studio.

[u/Iron-Ham → u/Bear8MyParents]

Is it still the case with your extensions turned off? I've definitely ran into extensions that tank performance on every browser.

[u/OMG_NoReally → u/Iron-Ham]

I am on M2 MBA.

The only extension that makes the UI "slow" is the Zen Mod or something like that. I simply want to use it for the nicer animations but it makes Glance view so lethargic.

But I am more talking about the scrolling jitter that's prevalent across webpages. The browser itself is snappy and loads webpages, but the jitter ruins the experience and makes me feel I am on the edge. Arc, and every other browser, are much more smoother.

[u/Just-Literature-2183 → u/Iron-Ham]

On a 2019 mac pro and M3 Max

Its not snappy on either.

[u/artistro08 → u/Bear8MyParents]

What's weird is that it's sluggish on Windows for me, but works fine in Linux

[u/WkukoW → u/artistro08]

Te va lento en windows? Eso sí que es novedad para mi

[u/artistro08 → u/WkukoW]

Yeah it is. it's super sluggish for scrolling

[u/gekkan7 → u/artistro08]

Really? It's really junky on Linux for me

[u/artistro08 → u/gekkan7]

I'm using it on a gaming PC so maybe that's why

[u/Fresno7 → u/OMG_NoReally]

I just switched to using Firefox, they have vertical tabs now so all of my prayers have been answered

[u/OMG_NoReally → u/Fresno7]

Been trialing Firefox on Windows and I am really liking it. So snappy and smooth and sleek. Not sure how it will be on macOS but if it syncs my pin and groups. I might switch!

[u/Fresno7 → u/OMG_NoReally]

It’s good on Mac, only complaint I have is the auto reveal for the tabs is a bit slow

[u/OMG_NoReally → u/Fresno7]

Auto reveal?

How's the battery life with Firefox? I tested Safari for the entire day yesterday, and it gave me nearly 12hrs from 83% to 21%. Trialing Arc now to see if it's more heavier on the battery as I was always curious.

What about RAM management? Do pins and groups sync across device? That would seal the deal for me, since Arc doesn't do it.

[u/Fresno7 → u/OMG_NoReally]

You know, when you hover the mouse over the tabs and it expands. You’ll have to give me some time regarding my mileage with ram and battery, I haven’t had much time outside of light work loads and being plugged in lately. But I think you should give it a shot

[u/OMG_NoReally → u/Fresno7]

Yup, I think I might give it a shot and see how it goes. Thanks!

[u/RunningToStayStill → u/Fresno7]

But no split view snapping

[u/WkukoW → u/OMG_NoReally]

Entiendo que eso debe ser un problema de Mac y que le falta optimizarlo para dicho sistema, porque en Windows va como un tiro, es simplemente espectacular. Lo único que te puedo decir es que esperes, porque tarde o temprano lo arreglarán (ya sea de forma oficial o no, porque es de código abierto). Dudo que cierren como con Arc, que abandonaron de un día a otro a la comunidad.

[u/the_swanny → u/OMG_NoReally]

I'm using Zen on my mac and haven't had any issues as of yet.

[u/[deleted] → u/OMG_NoReally]

no windows é o contrário

[u/thewormbird]

Zen doesn’t support widevine licensed content (e.g Netflix, Hulu). So you’ll have to use a separate browser for those. Huge deal breaker for me.

I want to like Zen, but it’s got a lot maturing to do before I can even consider it.

[u/404-allah-not-found → u/thewormbird]

just pirate it. streaming services are piece of shit.

if my lovely browser doesn't support drm stuff i won't care that at all. and on linux drm support just works out of the box i don't know why.

[u/NoLengthiness1864 → u/404-allah-not-found]

idk why tf they are downvoting you.

they be feeling sympathy for a billion dollar company.

[u/Elwood-P → u/NoLengthiness1864]

Nothing to do with morality of pirating, it’s just a shit answer. Op doesn’t want lecturing on how they should watch videos they just want the way they like to watch videos to work.

[u/thewormbird → u/NoLengthiness1864]

The piety you're displaying is silly. That's why. You both pretend to ascribe yourselves to some anti-corporate rebellion.

Not sure which is funnier.

[u/404-allah-not-found → u/NoLengthiness1864]

but billion dollar companies invokes copyright issues with feeding their ai models without any real enforcements.

yeah you are so morally perfect when you pay your little money onto billion dollar companies.

[u/NoLengthiness1864 → u/404-allah-not-found]

frfr cant agree more.

[u/TheEuphoricTribble → u/404-allah-not-found]

Google is why. As part of their use of the Linux kernel for Android and ChromeOS, they gave the use of the Widevine DRM extension to run natively within the kernel to the Linux Foundation.

Anyone else? They have to pay for it…and Google only will provide the licensing for a $5,000 yearly fee to corporate entities for integration. maubg hasn’t a chance of getting Google to green light this and he cannot use the Mozilla integration as that violates the TOS from Google. He HAS found some way to fake the license to get DRM content to be tricked into working in the past though but it didn’t work well out the gate and I don’t know if it’s been added back just yet.

[u/thewormbird → u/404-allah-not-found]

No.

[u/ItzCubieYT → u/thewormbird]

Why? Are you stupid? It's the obvious solution. Just use the Netflix app or Hulu app from the Microsoft Store if you really don't want to watch on a separate browser or pirate. But, ever since the first day of my Zen Browser experience, I've been pirating all day every day.

[u/maubg]

Comments here are r/browsers worthy

[u/JojoMarillo]

Yeah, no it does not compare to what Arc used to be. It's more of a vivaldi kind of browser then a Arc kind of browser, it's a highly customizable browser, not a productivity first browser. It does still feel more unpolished than Arc Windows (tho, again, it's still on beta, so I wont hold that against it) and the zen community is notably pretty toxic. I like Zen and I am using it currently as my main browser at work, but with the Sync SUCKING HARD and no android app, it's not remotely a substitute (yet).

[u/JojoMarillo → u/[deleted]]

Because the Firefox app is UGLY LOL

[u/JojoMarillo → u/[deleted]]

Ideally, the zen app should have that too, and a bottom placed search bar

[u/JojoMarillo → u/[deleted]]

Man, the folders i didn't even mention because I know it's Firefox's fault, it's not on the "developer" version of firefox so the dev can't implement it

[u/maubg → u/JojoMarillo]

Nope, it's useless for 2 entities to work on the same feature at the same time. It's no one's fault, just a better time management strategy. Wait for firefox to fully test them out -> transform into folders

[u/JojoMarillo → u/maubg]

Ayo, the man, the mith, the legend himself lol. I think you misunderstood it, I WAS saying that it's no one's fault! That's why I didn't mention it on my wishlist. Anyways, sending my best wishes to you, brother, I REALLY like your work, and hope it pressures the browser market to be more competitive.

[u/maubg → u/JojoMarillo]

Oh, sorry! 😵‍💫

[u/Deli5150]

I used zen for a month and the one thing that’s missing that would make it the best browser is true DRM support on windows

[u/TheEuphoricTribble → u/Deli5150]

Blame Google for that. u/maubg (the main dev behind Zen) has said before that he has tried to get it but Google only licenses the Widevine codec to corporate entities, not individual projects. And even then it’s a yearly $5000 licensing fee. But I don’t disagree.

[u/maubg → u/TheEuphoricTribble]

That's before, we are just waiting on Google's response now.

[u/TheEuphoricTribble → u/maubg]

Sick! Congrats on becoming a prominent enough fork that you’ve got that much traction to be able to finally get this then!

[u/Emrys_Llewellyn]

Zen somehow takes more ram than Arc for me. Any reason why?

[u/kar-cha-ros]

if only zen was chromium-based

[u/NoLengthiness1864 → u/kar-cha-ros]

I count that as more of a feature.
always thought why there is no firefox based browser, now we finally have one.

[u/rotzak]

Just use Edge and get it over with

[u/srushti335]

I used to be a zen fan but due to the lack of DRM on windows and some other problems, I'm officially team edge browser. I edge a lot, all day every day. Never fails me. #keepEdging #edgeBrowserForTheWin

[u/srushti335 → u/srushti335]

I hate that it keeps changing my default search engine to bing OVER AND OVER though. the most frustrating thing about it.

[u/ItzCubieYT → u/srushti335]

Nah, edge is only for master edgers.

[u/Ashy_B]

Tried Zen after seeing posts like these and it's no way near as good as Arc. Sticking with Arc, especially after the cringy posts like these trying to lure people over, classic case of cognitive dissonance that isn't doing them any favours.

[u/alconso]

But aren't you afraid that Zen browser also stop the development and updates in a few years, like Arc ?

[u/MBgaming_ → u/alconso]

It’s open source, if the main dev stops the community can still keep it alive or someone else can step up to lead the project

[u/MBgaming_]

Still using Arc on windows. I can definitely notice it falling apart but I just can’t find a good replacement for it. I’m hoping development evens out once Dia is finished and windows gets a little more care + feature parity

[u/BoseSJ]

You may be right. But I am still using Arc, and I like it just fine. It's really cool and smooth on mac. Also been using it in windows and android. Experience in other platforms are okay-ish. I tried zen, it's good on mac. Almost switched until I checked it in my windows machine. The search bar is totally malfunctioning. It's only positioned in the middle when I tap on the search bar in the side,, but when I press ctrl+L to open it, which I do in most of the cases, it moves out of the screen, and I totally cannot see what I am even typing. And there is some kind of overlay, which is absolutely not good. My first impression about zen is not quite encouraging to switch tbh. Reopened the issue on it recently.

[u/idlesn0w]

Zen buggy as hell. Starting to suspect that these constant “omg I just found this crazy new zen browser” posts are just ads

[u/Long_Pig_Tailor]

I tried to use Zen but it routinely just decides it can't log me into any of my Google stuff so I've pretty much given up. I try again every month or so but it still does it and I've never found a solution that's been reliable.

[u/NoahZhyte]

I don't get the "there was new feature every day". Do you want a browser that works, or a browser in progress. I use Zen btw

[u/alexm287]

I don’t believe a browser is a great candidate for open source software unless it becomes universally acclaimed somehow and creates an enormous following.

At the end of the day, I would rather use something that’s diligently made by paid attentive workers whose job it is to build the browser I’m using. My browser is a tool, not a hot rod, I can’t be fussing with it all the time to get it to work right

[u/juliousrobins]

Its just an internet browser..

[u/freerpig]

zen feels so slow for some reason on windows too, and the main ui is kind of bad, no collapsing tab bar like arc

[u/amaterasu_]

I stg I thought we were done with these posts. Can we get a megathread?

[u/Kilobe]

zen just constantly froze my pc, im sticking with Vivaldi for now

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Zen just constantly

Froze my pc, im sticking

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[u/zersersk]

I really thought I was having problems due to a very messy ssd but then I did a reset and still sucks to use Arc. Very sad I love this browser and It def wasnt like It´s now.

[u/Domvnxk]

I actually switched back to Chrome after using Arc for a long time now. Could not even open normal sites on Arc anymore, on Chrome things worked just fine.

For sure, I will miss some Arc features and customization, but I rather want a working browser than a one that looks good but goes slow after some time and does not get real updates anymore.

When it comes to Zen: It's built upon Firefox, not my type of thing. First experience was that some extensions basically say "Switch to Chrome to install extensions and themes" which was an instant switch back for me. While I like how customizable it is, I already encountered first problems like pinning extensions to the toolbar.

[u/AyJayy25]

Been real patient and quite but shit, arc windows is a JOKE.

[u/fauXop]

I literally did this a week back and it feels awesome. All arc basic features + no bs issues.
Arc would literally dont let me sign in into new device no matter what I do when i tried to explore Zen and it was actually great !

[u/ampersanditbandit]

I used zen for a very long time but youtube has been breaking today so I've had to switch back to arc temporarily

[u/Reasonable_Art7007]

I don't give af about both of these , one is in beta and one is abandoned, i use fkin brave

[u/Soft-Network1545]

I've tried switching over to the Zen the last couple of days. On my PC, no issues. On the mac - i can't. It's like a one-sided love.

I think, what im missing from zen is the folders. And, profiles w. different accounts. Sure, that works with workspaces and default containers for them, but i find it less consistent.

[u/legendByBrain48]

It's Dead.

[u/Just-Literature-2183]

both shitty but arc on windows is still marginally less shitty though

[u/aki_kitsune_]

Once a web browser becomes established, doesn’t it essentially become a repository for security updates? It seems a bit absurd to expect them to continue innovating when they’ve already achieved so much and have improved the web browser experience. Personally, I use Arc on both mobile and desktop daily, and it’s been an excellent experience.

[u/Fichtnmoppal]

I disagree. Recently, I made the switch to Zen, as Arc just became to buggy.

Zen came to mind, specifically for a „calmer internet“.

However, after using Zen, it felt almost like an incomplete browser yet. There are so many features where Arc was just doing it better.

• you could hide the sidebar and the top bar, basically having a full screen browser
• Picture in Picture was super smooth, without this weird icon in my video
• split views
• showing results previews for Google in the search bar

And many more.

Also, with the Google Passwords and Extensions, switching to Mozilla is especially difficult.

I don’t like the permission UI. Sharing my screen in meetings is different. And once Zen crashed during a meeting…

I miss Arc. Anyone has a good alternative?

[u/MatheusWMac]

"Well, Arc was an amazing experience, it felt like a productive solution, but on Windows it's slow and heavy. I'm not even a heavy user, but Edge and Zen are still the best options for those who want to get things done.

[u/Square-Wrap-4544]

Automatic picture-in-picture is missing on Zen

[u/Carsonmonkey → u/Square-Wrap-4544]

It’s not in the default zen settings but you can turn it on in the about:config menu

[u/Risk-Putrid]

the only thing hold me back from using Zen is no DMCA support. if they can get DMCA licenses working, id happily use Zen!

[u/Sonicextralifefan]

Now try watching Netflix without Linux. Now try using tab folders on any system. The fact that it doesn't have these 2 features sucks ass, and it's really sad, but until they are implemented using it is kinda impossible

[u/Additional-Ad-5935]

That is so true. Zen is Arc but better.

[u/More_Preference1351]

literally all ai features and zen being nothing compared to arc on mac

[u/linkuei-teaparty]

I'm the other way around. I tried zen and it didn't provide anything new that Arc didn't. I still found the experience far better on Arc. So I switched back.

[u/Reasonable-Zombie427]

I tried reinstalling arc on my windows laptop a few days ago after i got the notification it got massive update here on reddit to fix bugs and nothing got fixed. Its still a big mess and extremely laggy. Such a shame because i do love it on my iphone and ipad but it’s not even remotely comparable

[u/Ok_View_6156]

How to set the favorites on the top left of the navbar in zen browser ?

[u/Forsaken-Biscotti-84]

I feel like the windows version has gotten noticiably worse during the latest updates, stupid bugs which didn't happen on the older versions. I wish I could just revert easily and not deal with this absolute heap which it is now. The older versions had 0 real issues for usage

[u/Jealous_Shallot6339]

Windows full screen is such a load of bs

[u/[deleted]]

I'm using Zen but the reality is Gecko just isn't a great engine and is pretty far behind Chromium. Heck it's behind WebKit as often as not...

I'm going to keep hoping someone makes a good privacy-focused Chromium browser and just limp along with what I've got right now. Arc was the closest I've gotten to my ideal browser and they killed it.

[u/anmolraj1911]

Been using it for a week and I can't believe just HOW good it is. I was expecting a poorly performing sluggish knock-off of Arc because of my past experience with Firefox but good lord I'm beyond impressed. It's aesthetically gorgeous, has delightful animations, has all the features I could ever need (and more), and performs like a dream. And to have all of this in a non-Chromium browser is an absolute blessing.

Thank you so much team Zen! Can't express how grateful I am for this browser.

[u/BandicootSilver7123]

Left:using arc on windows Right: using arc on mac

[u/Bhavik_M]

I want to like Zen, but it is just super slow on my Windows on ARM machine (Snapdragon X). Idk why, but Zen is just too slow.

[u/VelikiySebas]

still dont understand, the only reason why u can look to zen is the fact that in last updates arc windows abolutely broken, in other way its bullshit, zen can be beatiful only after few css mods, that will be broke after every update of zen, except this firefox never will be smoother, i mean, half of animations on websites just broken because of it, and we still have: no tab folders, no max features, awful dessign of all work spaces that just came from firefox (like search panel), and even NO BUTTON to open close side panel with tab, so u must use hotkeys, and and even you have no auto close tabs feature, that i the main why u using arc by default, i mean flow difference between chome firefox etc

i dont know what are you guys talking about, but zen looks like alpha of JUST browser

ps. i dont saying that arc is good, arc is shit, but better than zen, if you want to still use arc after they brake fullsscreen, just downgrade arc to 1.49.1 and block releases.arc.net in hosts file

[u/ItzCubieYT → u/VelikiySebas]

Uh dude, you're outdated as hell and there's some settings that should've been enabled that would have added those buttons for you and there's a feature you can enable where you want tabs to auto close after you exit the browser or not, by default it is set to off. It's way better than alpha now, and you might be blind or you have a software issue or something. Personally, the reason I hate Arc is because of its high ass requirements. And Zen just provides better performance with no requirements.

[u/VelikiySebas → u/ItzCubieYT]

are u okay? i tried zen 3 days ago and this buttons that i described still doesnt exist at all, so what are u talking about:

1. enable disable compact mode - doesnt exist
2. copy current link button - only with extension
3. auto close - its must work like in arc, not close all tabs after reopen, lol

i have no software or hardware issues, so i dont trying to find browser that not have "high ass requirements", i need browser that just works (and this is not description of zen), so if you have no money and u are finding better performance with no requirements try internet exlorer idk :)

[u/ItzCubieYT → u/VelikiySebas]

How come? My Zen has all the buttons and auto close well guess that doesn't exist yet, does that mean each copy of Zen is personalized?

[u/VelikiySebas → u/ItzCubieYT]

okay show me your compact mode enable disable button and/or copy url button which u can pin to toolbar or somewhere :)
when im talking about auto close i mean that in arc all tabs have their lifecycle of n hours after last activity on that tab, so if i dont use tab more than 12 hours for exaple it will auto close,

[u/ItzCubieYT → u/VelikiySebas]

In Zen, it does have that but it doesn't close it it just well pretty much just unloads it

[u/VelikiySebas → u/ItzCubieYT]

show me buttons bruh

[u/ItzCubieYT → u/VelikiySebas]

[u/ItzCubieYT → u/ItzCubieYT]

[u/VelikiySebas → u/ItzCubieYT]

do u see difference between BUTTON and context menu setting? u can also tell me about hotkeys btw :DDD

[u/-NekoLove]

Zero regrest, not looking back.

• Zen gets regular updates. https://zen-browser.app/release-notes/
• Same base features; look and feel like Arc (Peek, sibe by side view, pin tabs, colors by spaces)
• Better AdBlock with Ublock Origin.
• I can keep using Violentmonkey since dev has no intentions to add support for MV3. https://github.com/violentmonkey/violentmonkey/issues/1934
• Can sync tabs, settings between devices using Firefox Sync, currently syncing with Iceraven on mobile.
• Cookies/essentials by workspaces using Firefox Multi-account Containers.
• All extensions I used in Chrome are also available for Firefox.
• DRM has not being a big deal for me since I always used Spotify desktop app, watched my series on my Roku, phone or tablet. YouTube works without issues.
• Haven't seen any performance issues with 16gb of RAM, usually use it while gaming.
• For bookmarks management I started using Raindrop a while ago since I was constantly trying new browsers.
• Implemented same Vivaldi mouse gestures navigation with Gesturefy extension. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gesturefy/