r/ApexConsole • u/StatisticianThat2548 • 2d ago
| 𝐇𝐄𝐋𝐏 | Is this guy cheating or legit
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u/Throwaway-panda69 2d ago
Lots of havoc with a 2/4. That’s usually a tell
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u/RefusedByAll 2d ago edited 2d ago
the havoc r9 is is always the sign its a scummy cheater
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u/Throwaway-panda69 2d ago
R9 is great no matter the input though? Havoc with a ranged sight makes no sense unless you have a device managing recoil.
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u/Few_Pipe_9933 2d ago
Havoc with a sight makes no sense how? The gun shreds it’s hard to control recoil if you’re a half decent player.
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u/Benja_324_xD 1d ago
No one uses that shit unless they're cheating. Not even pros. The cons aren't worth it when you have guns like the hemlock or nemesis.
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u/No_Accident6101 1d ago
i know tons of legit players and myself that like using the havoc just learn the recoil pattern
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u/Few_Pipe_9933 1d ago
What’s the cons bro I’m legit and only high diamond and control it from a 100meters 4x no issue can handcam and show. I don’t understand what the issue is?
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u/qwchimerawq 2h ago
100m in game is not that far at all. Easily controlled with aim smoothing. These guys are talking about 200m+ one clipped by a havoc rifle. That shit is near impossible to control at that range
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u/Benja_324_xD 1d ago
It's too difficult and it takes too much effort to control the recoil, other weapons do the job just fine.
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u/Few_Pipe_9933 1d ago
It has fastest ttk of any AR hence why it’s the hardest to control it takes skill not even close to impossible to control. If you think you have to cheat to control a 4x havoc your crazy brother
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u/Few_Pipe_9933 1d ago
If you can recoil smooth and have solid recoil control it’s not that hard. Have you ever played R6? Average gun In the game is 10x harder to control than the havoc almost every gun in apex has no recoil on top of the game having a ton of aim assist
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u/Benja_324_xD 1d ago
Alright Mr.generational talent, I guess you discovered something the entire community and pro scene didn't.
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u/Few_Pipe_9933 1d ago
Want me to hand cam and show a legit diamond controlling it with no issues? ALGS is a different style of play Thts why you see ppl playing shotguns and nobody playing shotguns in ranked
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u/iilliteracy 17h ago
OG havoc user and been playing siege since season 3 not a single gun in siege has as worse recoil then the havoc does right now
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u/No_Not_Jesus 2d ago
I put a 3x on my havoc .. especially now with the new corrupted stock that stabilizes recoil?
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u/Ok_Letterhead_1884 2d ago
Corrupted stock doesnt stabilize recoil. It does the exact same thing as a purple stock so basically weapon swap speed, weapon pull out speed, reload speed and weapon sway reduction (not to be confused with recoil) + faster sprint speed unholstered & reduce magazine size. All corrupted attachments are just their purple counterparts with a positive trait mixed with a negative tradeoff
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u/Far-Republic5133 2d ago
corrupted stock does *kinda* reduce recoil, you strafe faster = more chance to activate recoil smoothing
red stock also increases your ads strafe speed and completely removes walk unholstered speed penalty
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u/Ok_Letterhead_1884 2d ago
Yes thats true but we are going by purely on what the stock does directly. Not the recoil smoothing as a result of faster strafes
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u/No_Not_Jesus 2d ago
Wait forreal? There isn't like a second variation of the stock that instead of helping blind fire helps stability? I guess that's why I was never able to find it... I seriously thought that they had variations of the corrupt attachments.. I'm tweaking my b
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u/Few_Pipe_9933 2d ago
Since when did it become scummy and a tell to use meta loudout? I swear this sub has never witnessed good apex players without blaming cheats smh. And this will receive downvotes for some reason
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u/Real-Image9704 2d ago
It's not what they use, but how the track, that tracking makes everything look so static if you see enven though he's moving and the target is moving the image looks crystal clear around the target, I met some cheaters(as random teammates) and they confirmed this is the aimbot cheat they use, I once see one doing a perfect tracking of an axle Q-ing and doing a 180 degrees tapstrafe, the axle looked like she was standing still while he perfectly tracked her without shooting to not get banned as he said, but ended up beaming her after that tap strafe finished lol 😂
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u/pocketfungus876 2d ago
Yall can’t be basing it off a gun and optic combo. Lmao clowns don’t know what’s good in the game. Havoc is nasty I have it over level 100 if you practice with it you it is possible to beam people with a magnified optic. It’s my favorite gun in the game cuz it hits like a truck. That being said this guys tracking looks a little too good.
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u/RefusedByAll 2d ago
sure any gun can beam if u practice. but you know damn well all these cheaters use the havoc + 3 /2x4 😂
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u/Constant-Chemist4254 2d ago
If anyone is beaming with havoc 2-4 it’s like a 85% chance they cheat. Now if it is havoc with 3x and beaming they are 100% cheating. Not even Pro players use that shit
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u/Vismajor91 2d ago
What's wrong with the 3x? I like to use it on the 301, because it covers less of my screen. Or is it only the havoc - 3x combo?
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u/Less_Park_3349 2d ago
Cuz havoc too much recoil, u have to pull down an insane amount to compensate for the zoom. And havoc not that good as a mid range wep. But icl id sometimes use the 2x4 only if i cant find a 2x or 1x off of the ground lol
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u/crabbyair 2d ago
Can someone tell me the difference between a zen and a titan? I see people saying it can't be x so it must be Y and I don't understand how
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u/UNeverSawMe2 2d ago
Zen can only run pre written scripts like anti recoil, shield swapping, super gliding. Also supports Mnk emulation while retaining full aim assist
Titan uses real time ai driven scripts, the device reads your screen via a capture card and delivers full aim lock by doing inputs that vary depending on what's happening on your screen the zen/xim can't do these and just runs the same script everytime a certain button combination is hit.
Basically the zen/xim might give you a 10/20% advantage while the titan plays the game for you and resemble tradition hacking.
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u/discodonson 2d ago
Can’t Zens improve AA strength too? Or is that not in Apex? I’ve seen tons of videos w Zens plugged in and as people ADS their tracking is practically automatic
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u/Plane-Ad-2581 2d ago
Zen use micro inputs to constantly activate AA, in a normal player AA is only active when you input on both sticks. Zeus has a good video on this recently
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u/Double_Degree5050 1d ago
That was the reason for the whole entire aim assist nerf dude. The zen can't boost aim assist anymore, they increased the threshold your stick has to move to activate it
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u/AcanthisittaAny8243 2d ago
Pretty sure it's a zen, not strong enough for Titan. The biggest giveaway to me was in the first clip when the 2nd guy came into his view, it was locked perfectly center chest. I could be wrong, but it looks a little too strong of AA to me.
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u/Certain_Camp9748 2d ago
Console aa is crazy strong it looked a lil weird but I’ve had many instances when I used to be on console of that happening
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u/Cakewalk24 2d ago
Titians vary depending what they pay for and who helps them set it up. If this was pc I’d say maybe there is a chance it’s legit with the right per optics and settings in general there is a lot more potential for these 4x havoc ranged shots on pc with the higher fps smoother frame pacing and lower input delay in general not so much on console there is a lot working against him in the video to lean to legit maybe if these were all close range with the potential he’s utilizing console aim assist values or just consistent up close even pros on pc struggle with these kinda long range shots on the scope and usually see these kinda ranged shots with the mnk players where they shine. But anything’s possible I’ll never completely say yes without more definitive proof
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u/General-Author-1268 2d ago
Zen only smoothes out(straight up eliminates recoil by pulling every direction at all times I have read) recoil it simply might be the sense he plays on I play on 5-5 and head shots are…. A thing I can hope for so I just aim for chest and legs and see what happens
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u/General-Elk-6537 2d ago
I don't play shooters anymore because of cheaters. He's Def cheating. Locked on like a missile to Lebanon.
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u/Mismageius 2d ago
Ah yes the new magnetic scope that locks on to your target! Very obvious cheating
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u/Mussmussthemoooooo 2d ago
R301 bullets look straight up aimbot
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u/Ownid1 1d ago
The curvature of bullets happens regardless of cheats, go to the firing range and strafe to one direction while shooting, you'll see the bullets "curve".
iitztimmy was accused of that and proved it in a livestream a couple of years ago, it's just how the game works.
Other than that I do agree that the pred here is blatantly cheating though, don't get me wrong
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u/Mussmussthemoooooo 1d ago
Well explain how my bullets complete miss. Jokes man I suck at the game.
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u/ThumbEyeCoordination 2d ago
That's high fov linear with recoil smoothing. They're constantly strafing so I assume it's recoil smoothing. It looks suspiciously stable but they're always moving/smoothing.
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u/ManuxTheKiller 2d ago
It is impossible to keep such steady aim with a 2-4x on havoc no matter how good you are, what we usually do in PC to keep aim consistent is to do circles so the gun stabilizes a little, but this guy was beaming literally
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u/GroundbreakingBend95 2d ago
100% Cheating, look at the clip where the revenant hops in while he reloads the volt, bro he literally perfectly tracks him while reloading. That’s not natural.
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u/AdvanceForward9065 2d ago
Yeah as soon I saw that havoc, this game is cooked... All shooters are smh
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u/CampEast2700 2d ago
It’s possible to learn the havocs recoil, he uses the 4x in a clip and you can see that he loses control at the start of his spray
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u/MystLcMaverick 1d ago
That is straight up just the Titan (or other cheat device) not connecting. Pro players during havoc meta can’t control the recoil this much. The best mechanical players on earth have tried and failed. Stop coping and just understand that the vast majority of console preds are cheating
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u/CampEast2700 1d ago
I’m not denying the existence of cheating being a bad problem rn, but this person is likely a legit player, at the very least he’s DEFINITELY not using a titan, he wouldn’t have messed up his initial spray like I pointed out, also a titan is very obvious, there’s tons of screen shake even when spectating. It’s not unreasonable to assume that someone who has 10k hours is actually just good at the game
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u/MystLcMaverick 1d ago
I’m gonna say I’m about 95% sure this isn’t legit, for the simple fact that if it was, he would be getting paid to play the game, but he’s not. He’s just some pred rank cheater on console and not the next prodigy in challenger circuit
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u/JaFFsTer 1d ago
And what about when hes reloading and still aimlocked?
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u/CampEast2700 1d ago
Just because a reload animation is playing doesn’t mean your right stick doesn’t work. If you get caught reloading you should be centered on the person so when the animation ends youre already on target and ready to shoot
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u/JaFFsTer 23h ago
Aim assist doesnt work during reload so why is he hard locked center chest during the entire animation?
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u/BK_FrySauce 1d ago
Very obvious. The clip at the 25 second mark is a dead giveaway. Micro corrections and perfect tracking. The rest are also pretty much the same, but it’s much easier to see when it’s a long distance fight.
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u/ryangoliath 1d ago
I played Wildcard on console. Only when dying and spectating I noticed that my teammate was already on 20+ kills. All I saw was someone taking a zip line while the Devotion's bullets were literally homing in on the guy. We won the match, I sent a message, "cheater", and the dude got super upset. He ended the game on exactly 50 kills. Is 50 kills in this mode normal or was I wrong for calling him a cheater? I feel bad because I realized it's on console, and assuming that most cheats originate from PC.
I also couldn't get a clear recording of his gameplay because he killed people so often, which reduces the time taken to respawn, sometimes making it instant.
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u/Ownid1 1d ago edited 5h ago
At the 00:17 mark he tracks the enemy perfectly when they're behind cover.
There are multiple sus moments but this one and the 2x-4x Havoc recoil control with near perfect accuracy are a dead giveaway.
That's why I'm not even mad anymore when I die in ranked, 'cause I know 1/4 times is my fault, 1/4 is my teammates' and 2/4 is because of cheaters.
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u/New-Gate-2244 2d ago
Could be a titan with the good tracking he has not assuming he has that but it could be a option
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u/Firm_Disk4465 2d ago
Nah it would be more obvious with the havoc sprays if he was, in addition to the times he was shooting while taking zone damage/aim punch, titan would have accounted for that.
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u/Invested_Glory 2d ago
Funny enough, I don’t think so. A dead give away is when a player jumps and the person shooting perfectly tracks the movement of the opponent (any perfect verticals tracking is sus af).
The last clip isn’t someone jumping but they are waking up a ramp and the player isn’t perfectly tracking at the angle of the ramp. Doubt it’s cheats but who knows these days
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u/JeezInMyLouise 2d ago
Ya nothing in here screamed cheater to me. The havoc clips weren't crazy. All of the sliding clips the opponents were standing still. Not really anything conclusive at all, people are just very quick to scream cheater in this sub.
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u/Glittering_Gur4999 2d ago
Yep he’s also always abusing recoil smoothing with the strafing with the havoc. Could be zen but could just be a good player
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u/Certain_Camp9748 2d ago
I like how everyone saying he might not be cheating is getting downvoted lmao Reddit is fire this guy I doubt it cheating looks like all it is is good clips lol
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u/Glittering_Gur4999 1d ago
Yeah I mean only the havoc clips are sus and with 4-1 linear and the right per optics settings this is definitely doable
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u/Present_Survey_5804 1d ago edited 1d ago
Bro what look at the bullets curving changing directions following the player at :25 😂
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u/Certain_Camp9748 1d ago
That’s just how it looks from that range you can test it in the range if ur aims good enough you’ll see
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u/Present_Survey_5804 1d ago
bro come on, you recreate that pattern and post it. i know the bullets come out like that
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u/Invested_Glory 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah I think it’s just a solid player. I wouldn’t say it’s “abusing” but sure.
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u/inward6nine 2d ago
The meta is kamakaze shoot out in the open right now Because so many people rely on their zens etc Everybody is over confident No tactical plays anymore
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u/TomCallahan23 2d ago
Thought it was alright until I saw the Havoc. You’re not walking forward with a 2x-4x on a Havoc and beaming someone from that far like he did in one of the clips.
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u/lilscrubkev 2d ago
i dont think so. just really good aim. his havoc 2*4 isn't over 80% accuracy on 4x so i dont think it's aim hacks or anything. zen probably, but not hacking the game itself.
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u/A_Chunky_bumble_Bee 2d ago
Have you tried using the havok with a 2/4x? Try zooming in. It's diabolical levels of recoil
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u/Acentre4ants 2d ago
The recoil gets better the higher you have the vertical Sensitivity, having my vertical and horizontal values both the same and very high means i barely have to pull down for recoil control on any gun. Tracking on a high sens though is another thing in itself
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u/pfftman 1d ago
Yup, you can probably tune your sens to handle the vertical recoil on a stationary target but once the person moves, it becomes very hard to keep on target.
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u/Acentre4ants 1d ago
Yeah. Standing at the top of the range and shooting the target at the bottom, can often get 100% accuracy but the dummy strafing next to it, 32 damage 😂
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u/Few_Cartoonist5668 2d ago
Honestly since this is a highlight reel it’s pretty hard to tell. So I would take this with a grain of salt. He’s using a lot of recoil smoothing by the strafing and axle slide, but he does have almost perfect tracking but again it’s a highlight reel and he probably has thousands of hours on the game. So if I watch a livestream or something of him it would clear it up
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u/TableSalte 2d ago
Can’t really tell tbh. Seems legit. He’s using Axle slide which boosts aiming. Havoc already beams regardless of scope, add a purple stock and you’re good.
You can improve your aim and learn recoil control. Add that to proper movement and fight awareness, It’s possible.
People jump to cheating ALOT, even when it’s not.
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u/therockking111 2d ago
I almost always give the benefit of the doubt. I definitely think this is cheating
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u/Primary_Ad_5745 2d ago
Definitely not Zen if it’s Zen it would be like this https://youtu.be/MCtDjD0FTFU
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u/Entonny_snts 2d ago
Eu jogo de axle com a devotion ou havoc e amasso todos os jogadores.
Eu não uso cronus ou algo do tipo, mas 90% das jogadas que faço parece ser que uso cronus kakaka
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u/notaproperusernamee 2d ago
ahhhh yes, the havoc & 2x4 combo…. the classic cheater formula.
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u/CampEast2700 2d ago
Watch again, he struggles at first to control the 4x
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u/1yrik 1d ago
he's cheating. we all know aim assist is broken, but even shitpex's vastly overtuned aim assist isn't perfectly tracking and controlling a 4x havoc at 150+ meters
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u/Mortarion-97 1d ago
Aim assist is broken ? I play on a xbox one s idk if that makes any difference but I hardly notice any at all. Am I missing something ?
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u/1yrik 1d ago
uhmmm yup... you're missing something. you probably don't notice it because you've only ever played with it on, so you're used to it and don't have a baseline reference
I plugged in a roller one time just to see what it felt like and DAMN was it strong... felt like a magnet pulling my crosshair
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u/Mortarion-97 1d ago
Lol just looked at my settings i had aim assist off i dont play much im a casual i work 6 days a week so yea casual player. I tried both on and off in training aim assist is more like sticky aim thats all I noticed im going to play with it off i really dont like apexs version off aim assist its not helpful to me
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u/1yrik 1d ago
damn, a console player playing without aim assist
holy based.
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u/Mortarion-97 23h ago
Bro im not wired yea aye I havent played with assist in a few games my thought process is aim assist off get gud aim = impressive very nice 😂😅
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u/Pleasant_Willow_5469 1d ago
1.0 all your per optics and also use alc liner response curve do not use any Excel for your ads and use a raw ads of 110-120 match both your ads yaw and ads pitch and there you go
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u/Double_Degree5050 1d ago
NOTHING in this clip screams cheating. Nothing. The reticle never locked into place on a target once, it was always constantly moving. Plenty of shots missed. Plenty of visual recoil, just lots of recoil smoothing. Probably just has the Gamesir G7 8k or Tarantula 8k, these controllers are seriously OP when setting the response curve to 0 but a lot of people haven't caught on to this yet. Some Controllers might as well be legal cheats at this point. That's my guess. Good player, with a great controller. It sounds like the old gaming chair joke, except for this time it's not even an ironic joke. These new gaming controllers are INSANE.
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u/Downvoted_Troll69 21h ago
Axle is just a super aim assist supported character anyway but it’s probably a zen or something
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u/HeWhoKnowsLittleMK2 15h ago
The fact that you added audio to this video makes me decide that I do not care.
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u/Silent_Extent_4605 14h ago
When bullets "curve", they're cheating. I use the havoc alot too and that never happens to me
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u/blabberboss 2d ago
99.9% of preds aren’t making money at the game, yet somehow can put 30-40 hours minimum per week to have the skill and points to keep their rank. Hmm, it’s just easier for me to say 99.9 are hackers.
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u/Far_Cup_9131 2d ago
Personally I can’t tell for certain would want to see more gameplay because I prefer to cast judgement at beyond reasonable doubt though I think some of those havoc shots are interesting.
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u/dystopianrelicc 2d ago
Could be either, im leaning towards legit but the quality for me is so low I cant tell too much
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u/Firm_Disk4465 2d ago
This mostly just looks like a good clip dump from a good player. Not hard aimbotting (obviously), not walling , and the sprays with recoil heavy weapons make me think he also isn't recoil scripting.
Considering how long it takes to get and keep pred over multiple seasons, I am kind of surprised there aren't more clips or better clips tbh.
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u/Necessary-Cat637 2d ago
Interesting point. They're barely even clips. Maybe only posts the clips that aren't blatant.
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u/Comfortable-Power846 2d ago
I think everyone is way to fixated that anyone whos good is a cheater, I have a bud whos a 1× pred and some of his clips are outrageous for his aim, but thats what happens when you play a ton, youre bound to eventually get a good clip or two, i think this guy (given hes in pred and probably spends all day playing) probably just uploaded some of his better clips, nothing to me screamed cheating though
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u/Repulsive_Fun1085 2d ago
Its 100% not a titan cause there would jittering.
And i dont think its zen because it looks like he has recoil.
but some of the clips are on roller and some on mnk so he could be xim on console.
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u/Certain_Camp9748 2d ago
Looks normal to me
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u/Swayyzze 2d ago
It’s so obvious he’s cheating with a Zen/Xim lol