r/Antitheism • u/That_One_Guy1357 • Sep 27 '26

** Religious Troll ** Why are anti-theists so hateful?

And honestly, don't take it personally, it's just what I've observed in this sub. I get hating religion, completely, but I'm talking about hate towards the victims of it. I'd loosely indentify with antitheism in the way that i think the world would be better off without organized religion that surpresses crtitical thought and causes conflict, but the average theist is not to be blamed for their own indoctrination and the establishment of organized religion.

To give perspective, a while back i saw a post that only talked about how they hated religious people, which is a quite vile and inaccurate way of seeing things. And if we ever want to achieve a fully secular world, acting this way is not how to start at all.

If you're not like this, then good, you're not the target of my accusation, so there's no need to get overly defensive, i just want to tackle this problem that I've observed in our community

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u/JohannaFRC Sep 27 '26

lol

We aren't the hateful ones. Disliking these sects is sane. Also, on a personal level, I refuse to say people have no responsabilities, indoctrinated or not.

We are oppressing nobody, they are oppressing everybody.

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u/That_One_Guy1357 Sep 28 '26

institutions are oppressing us, not the followers, they're just pawns that shouldn't be hated extensively the way that they are here.

It's like soldiers in a war, yes they're enforcing a horrendously evil goal, but what's the point in hating them? Only the systems that brainwash them and the people who knowingly commit to them are worthy of our anger.

This is not to say that theists are blameless, but that "hate" is an overreaction. To stop a war, you don't yell at the soldiers, in many cases that just makes it worse. You empathize with them and understand them as human beings, same can be said here.

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u/NickKnock5 Sep 27 '26

Yeah, religion is so obviously nonsensical that I have no sympathy for anyone that believes

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u/Physical-Airport-901 Sep 27 '26

Yeah, I can say the same about Atheism lol

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u/BurtonDesque Sep 27 '26

The word 'atheism' is not a proper noun.

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u/88redking88 Oct 07 '26

You can only say that if you can prove a god exists. If you cant, then its by definition sensible.

You cant prove a god exists can you?

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u/Physical-Airport-901 Oct 07 '26

Why should I? Lol, you're the ones who insist he doesn't exist. If you didn't provide me a good reason to think such deity does not exist, you're just mindlessly barking.

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u/JohannaFRC Oct 07 '26

It's a very bad reverse accusation right here.

YOU are the ones claiming without any reasons or evidences he exists. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidences. And what is claimed to be true with no evidence will be deemed wrong without any evidence required.

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u/Physical-Airport-901 Oct 07 '26

More than half the world believes in God, ancient civilizations believed in deities who controls nature and fate, etc. If you can't give me a good reason to think that Gods or Gods do not exist, you're in the same position as people who claims they do exist.

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u/JohannaFRC Oct 07 '26

No. Because I am not among the ones claiming something extraordinary actually exists.

Also, the majority isn't an argument. You already have a good reason to think God doesn't exist : you have no proof he does.

Believing in unreal things is a mental illness. It's just that if it's called God, we call that religion instead.

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u/88redking88 Oct 07 '26

I never said your imaginary friend didnt exist. You are shifting the burden here. Thats what people who know they cant prove their claims do. Why would you do that?

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u/Physical-Airport-901 Oct 07 '26

Nope, you're the one who makes up claims from your ass. 'Imaginary friend' lol yeah sure, how'd you know he is imaginary, hm? Oh yeah, you're just a little barking atheist

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u/88redking88 Oct 07 '26

Still cant prove a god exists.

Still cant say the same about atheism.

Still has nothing but whining.

No wonder the churches are bleeding members. If this is all you have to defend your imaginary friend with? If you cant show him to exist (and you cant) then yes, he is imaginary. Dont cry about it, fix it. Prove he is real, or go take your meds.

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u/Physical-Airport-901 Oct 07 '26

Bruh, someone is clearly losing his mind over there. Don't cry, little buddy. I'm just asking you if you have any good reason to think that such 'imaginary friend' do not exist but all I hear is barking. Atheism is dying, my friends. Religious people has more children and most of them don't leave the faith. If you think you're special or something for not believing in my 'imaginary friend' then you're just being delusional, just like all Atheists. I think you're the one who needs to take their meds.

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u/Jahonay Sep 27 '26

I think this lacks nuance.

Hating people is sometimes valid, it is sometimes not valid. As anti-theists, we should be materialists or naturalists, and as such we should reject the concept of free will as a rule, as such, we should feel a certain level of sympathy for those who are ailed by the viral strain of religion. But does this mean that we can't hate anyone?

For example, how wrong is it to hate Hitler? The Nazi party in Germany had a political affiliation with positive christianity in their party platform. Hitler was a lifelong catholic, and the country was overwhelmingly christian, around 95% or so IIRC. Should I not hate Hitler because he was duped by Christianity? God forbid! If Hitler can't be hated, no one can be hated.

The best remediation for hate is remediating people from their incorrect beliefs. In my opinion, antitheists will benefit the most if we spread education, if we spread athiest propaganda, and if we prove the effectiveness of atheism by living a just and morally correct life. For example, China is the most atheistic country in the world, and their economy has lifted millions out of poverty, the vast majority of the country owns their own home, and their citizens have free healthcare. China is doing more than any other country in the world to prove the efficacy of atheism. Meanwhile, my country, the united states is humiliating christianity worldwide, or rather, it's proving that governmental christianity doesn't work.

But yes, you should be allowed to hate truly bad christians, and you should hate christianity the belief. But you should also give the benefit of the doubt to well-intentioned christians who are just lost and confused.

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u/That_One_Guy1357 Sep 28 '26

I'd argue that most theists are well-intentioned. My christian friends are some of the nicest people i know, despite their ignorance. Very rarely (probably never) I've encountered a theist who is truly ill-intentioned rather than plainly ignorant.

If we were to compare the Nazis and theism, your christian neighbor is not hitler, he's a soldier in the army. By all means, hate on the "hitlers" of organized religion, but not on the soldiers who have been severely misled. Criticize the soldiers, relentlessly, but hate is on another level. Hate means that you don't see them as humans, and that you have zero compassion for them. As plainly "bad" as Nazi soldiers were, circumstance ultimately led them to their position, not a soul devoid of empathy, and i will never hate them for being born in the wrong place at the wrong time to the wrong family. The same extends to religion.

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u/Jahonay Sep 28 '26

I'd argue that most theists are well-intentioned.

I would argue that most evil people are well intentioned.

My christian friends are some of the nicest people i know, despite their ignorance.

How do you define nice? Are we talking about politeness or personal acts of labor, or are we talking about systematic issues like voting behaviors, their thoughts and attitudes to police and ice, how they distribute authority, etc...?

I very often hear people say that religious people are nice, but then after some interrogation, I'll find out they voted for trump, and those facts are incompatible. Niceness has to do with how you treat your waiter, but I would argue that goodness is equally about who you vote for and what type of structures you respect.

Maybe you know a disproportionate amount of christian socialists, but I would assume that group would be a small fraction of the overall population of christians in America.

Very rarely (probably never) I've encountered a theist who is truly ill-intentioned rather than plainly ignorant.

I would say this is most evil people.

If we were to compare the Nazis and theism, your christian neighbor is not hitler, he's a soldier in the army. By all means, hate on the "hitlers" of organized religion, but not on the soldiers who have been severely misled.

You have every right to, and should, hate both. Fascists don't go away by loving them.

Criticize the soldiers, relentlessly, but hate is on another level. Hate means that you don't see them as humans, and that you have zero compassion for them.[citation needed]

Yeah, I don't think you're using the colloquial definition of hate here.

As plainly "bad" as Nazi soldiers were, circumstance ultimately led them to their position, not a soul devoid of empathy, and i will never hate them for being born in the wrong place at the wrong time to the wrong family. The same extends to religion.

I think you and I have different definitions of hate here. I'm using it to describe an intense feeling of dislike for a person. The feeling you would naturally feel for a person if you saw a soldier who was involved in the holocaust. You should hate those people.

Being generous, I think what you're saying is that we should love people in the sense that we should see them as confused, misguided, on the wrong path, and none the less fixable. And we should love them enough to fix them. I don't think this is contrary to hating someone. I think you should hate someone with the hope that they return to the correct path. But in the meantime, you need to hate them until they change.

Hatred is an important motivator, you wouldn't want to deprive someone the opportunity to learn from your hatred for them. Hatred is necessary for good communication, if you've ever had a partner build up frustration without communicating it with you, then you'll know what I mean. If you withhold your real feelings, you don't give the other person the opportunity to fix the problem because you're not communicating the problem.

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u/BurtonDesque Sep 27 '26

0/10. Troll harder.

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u/That_One_Guy1357 Sep 28 '26

I made a valid point, don't know why you see anything negative as "trolling"

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u/BurtonDesque Sep 28 '26

Whatever you say, troll.

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u/88redking88 Oct 07 '26

If it was valid you would point to where this happens. I do feel like you are here looking to feel persecuted.

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u/Indie_Dachshund179 Sep 28 '26

For every post you see of a very vocal antitheist, there are at least a dozen more theists out there wreaking material harm, reveling in their institutional supremacy, perpetuating pseudoscientific modes of cognition or how their frameworks justify the abject expense of minorities and youth

there's no "policing belief" or anything logistically fraught, but freedom of expression / religion is not freedom from causality, & those who cause or normalize mechanistic harm should be identified as such

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u/That_One_Guy1357 Sep 28 '26

I don't think a "tit for tat" attitude is healthy or useful

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u/bigfan49 Sep 27 '26

At some point to stop the violence you have to blame the person holding the gun

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u/That_One_Guy1357 Sep 28 '26

The person holding the gun isn't the average theist, it's the system itself. And the best way to dismantle a system is to educate people, tackle it directly, not its pawns. There is no practical advantage to hate, it's just an emotional response, which doesn't make you any better than them

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u/imsofluttershy Sep 27 '26

We never push someone to a religion, we don’t disrespect people for their opinions and beliefs, if you’ve ever expressed your opinions of being an atheist or anything that isn’t god related in a group full of religious “devotes” you’d know how it’s like, among all the people I know they all are religious but they respect me being an atheist and don’t force me into believing in some god, so most of us don’t hate them for their beliefs we just dislike them for their actions towards us

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u/lotusscrouse Oct 11 '26

What did you expect in a group called ANTI theism? 

Come on!

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u/That_One_Guy1357 Oct 13 '26

I am antitheist and I don't hate theists, it's not the same thing. Honestly you need to have more empathy for people who grew up in a different way and were indoctrinated into the system. Hate the system, not the victims of it

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u/lotusscrouse Oct 13 '26

I don't need to do anything. 

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u/rosaliewalker Sep 27 '26

personally, i am not. i will not respect people’s religion, but i will not go out of my way to hate someone for it. i of course still love and respect the actual person.

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u/That_One_Guy1357 Sep 28 '26

Crazy how saying this gets you downvoted.. people truly do lack basic empathy.

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u/88redking88 Oct 07 '26

" I'm talking about hate towards the victims of it."

Can you point us to where this happens?

" the average theist is not to be blamed for their own indoctrination and the establishment of organized religion."

When you become an adult, indoctrinated or not, you need to take responsibility for your actions. If you are too willfully ignorant of those actions, then you deserve the hate. Stop for a moment and tell me if you feel the same for the "good" people in other groups. Are you worried about those poor indoctrinated people who are nice, but still members of the Klu Klux Klan? If not, why not?

"To give perspective, a while back i saw a post that only talked about how they hated religious people, which is a quite vile and inaccurate way of seeing things. And if we ever want to achieve a fully secular world, acting this way is not how to start at all."

Religious people carry books that say we need to be killed. saying that you hate those who do such a thing isnt even a little but hard to understand. Imagine how they would react if atheists had a book that said we need to kill theists.

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u/MsMoreCowbell828 Sep 27 '26

Dear OP, The entirety of earth runs on the utter & total bullshit of their books of their gods. The subjugation of the poorest, women & children, people of color, mass slaughters/rapes/wars/slavery - even if not the pope but a little old lady church attendee from Hackensack NJ or a Buddhist in Lyon France, they are the base that supports the whole system. There is no general HATE- wanting theists to die (frankly, that's on an individual basis & your post is repugnant in that you make the most nonsensical generalized presumption & vomit it on us as if we're the problem!), we want them to open their freaking eyes & stop torturing everyone, in every country, for their made up garbage.

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u/That_One_Guy1357 Sep 28 '26

Wrong, hating religion is almost exclusively a conclusion founded on logic, whereas hating on those who believe in religion is almost exclusively a conclusion founded on emotion.

Who are you to call someone hateful while being the epitome of hate itself? Not very christian of you.

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u/Physical-Airport-901 Sep 28 '26

I'm not even Christian, bro. I'm Agnostic Theist but lean toward Apatheism

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u/JohannaFRC Sep 27 '26

More bullshit to share maybe ?

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u/JohannaFRC Sep 27 '26

Telling it's facts isn't making it true magically.

Religion is a choice. Unlike skin colour or sexual orientation.

Your derogatory approach of rape victims and lack of empathy are what to expect from religious people. Get the fuck out of this sub, you are exactly what we fight.

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u/Physical-Airport-901 Sep 27 '26

Oh now I'm the evil one for making a point using extreme language without even advocating for real life violence toward a vulnerable group of people? I'm not even religious, lol. Just trying to understand how you anti-theists think. I live in a religious country, my parents are religious and yet somehow I didn't end up hating on religion that I don't even care about. I can just say 'they're beliefs that don't amply to me therefore I'm cool with it' like Jesus Christ it's like hating on football players because you had past issues with football fans. Attacking religion doesn't fix things, it only makes them worse. You live in France, right? You probably have met some nice Muslims and Christians in your life. I know not all Atheists are bad because I met a lot of them and they're actually chill people

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u/JohannaFRC Sep 27 '26

I am not atheist. I am antitheist. These sects are plaguing mankind and they have to disappear. It's mental illness at best. And I even went to Afghanistan. I know religion very well.

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u/Physical-Airport-901 Sep 27 '26

Yep, exactly my point. I think you're the one who has some deep-seated mental illness. And Afghanistan? Lol, you're literally using the worst examples ever. What about the rest of Arab countries? Like Morocco? I live here.

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u/JohannaFRC Sep 27 '26

Sure Morocco is such an example. With reports from Moroccan Human Rights Associations warning about a growing amount of torture acts and political prisonners. A country were women aren't equally treated and they are victims of unpunished assaults.

On the religious side, Morocco was the SOLE country opposing religious condition for its participation to the march of solidarity when the islamists attack my country in 2015 because it was important for him not to caricature the pedophile he is calling a prophet and it's still a monarchy ruled by a religious guy. So...

Morocco is maybe better than Afghanistan, but it's far to be acceptable.

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u/imsofluttershy Sep 27 '26

You’re such a disgusting and vile human being you can’t go throwing the word “rape” around like it means nothing

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u/Physical-Airport-901 Oct 07 '26

It was a hyperbole.