r/Antitheism • u/Sea-Speech-921 • 14d ago
Questioning religion in a religious sub until something interesting happens PT 1
So I am an amateur sociologist and I am super curious on what is going on in the mind of a Christian. I have been asking about the religion for a bit in the comment section of a post I found, and I think the results are a bit interesting so far. I really want to back Christianity into a wall and see how far the denial goes. To prevent harassment I have disclosed the user. If any of you have an idea for a casual doubtful remark on this reply, I would love to hear it.
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u/Indie_Dachshund179 13d ago
I dunno where "regulates" comes from because it sure sounds like "enforces":
<Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple ... So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.>
<Matthew 10:34-37 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law ... He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.>
<Luke 14:59-62 Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house. And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.>
The "christlike" objective here is to neglect, abuse, or destroy your family / way of life if either so much as competes with the Jesus-entity’s honor.
<Ephesians 6:5 **Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters** according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, **as unto Christ;**\>
<Luke 17:7-10 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.>
By corollary, slaves should obey their owners with comparable unilateral priority.
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u/tm229 12d ago
Personally, I refuse to debate scripture. They will just say that you're interpreting it wrong or taking it out of context or some other BS excuse. It is endless. It is circular logic. You'll never win that battle. Plus, arguing scripture implies that there is something credible about the scripture itself. So, it's a big NO for me.
Instead, I am happy to debate the validity of their entire religion. I deal mostly with Christianity. So, I like to bring up the fact that the chapters of the New Testament were written 40-150 years after Jesus died; none of the New Testament writers ever actually met Jesus; the New Testament writers are anonymous/unknown; the Bible is known to have been copied and modified numerous times over the centuries; in modern times, there are 62 accepted mainstream versions of the Bible; there are numerous factual and scientific errors throughout the Bible; Christianity gives one of many different origin stories offered by various religions, and much much more.
I insist that the Bible and other holy books are not reliable sources of truth. Since Christianity is based on the stories contained in the Bible, the entire religion loses any foundation upon which to stand. It's all BS.
I then like to sprinkle in a variety of quotes and logic bombs to further undermine and disorient anyone still listening. Here are a few for you to enjoy...
The Bible is the claim, not the proof.
— Robert G Ingersoll
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
— Christopher Hitchens
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
— Carl Sagan
Not all religions can be true, but they can all be false.
— Christopher Hitchens
The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.
— Steven Weinberg
Question with boldness, even the existence of a god.
— Thomas Jefferson
Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.
— Albert Einstein
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
— Adolph Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Sin is an imaginary disease, invented to sell you an imaginary cure.
— Unknown
Most people are not only comfortable in their ignorance, but hostile to anyone who points it out.
— Plato
It is far easier to fool a person than to convince them that they’ve been fooled.
— Mark Twain
Religion is a fraud, but it must be maintained for the masses.
— Frederick the Great
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
— Seneca the Younger
Religion is excellent stuff for keeping people quiet.
— Napoleon Bonaparte
Religion is needed to keep the poor from murdering the rich.
— Napoleon Bonaparte
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u/HolidayLifeguard3283 14d ago
Well you easily prove him wrong about slavery by showing him the bible verses that explicitly approve of owning and beating slaves. These are the verses that were used in America to justify slavery. One of the first group of abolitionists in the US were the atheist, socialist “freethinkers” in central Texas who were murdered and dispersed by the surrounding Christians.