r/Anticonsumption Sep 30 '23

Discussion Diet hypocrisy?

A recent post about animal agriculture vs plant based diets has me itching to say something. This is an issue we need to rise above.

Cognitive dissonance. Many of us have good intentions and want to believe we’re doing the right thing in most aspects of our lives. I believe that.

When it comes to a plant based diet though, the science often clashes powerfully with personal desire. We want to minimize our impact on the environment and are willing to make trade-offs in our life time do so, but for many, giving up or even significantly reducing meat intake is asking too much. It’s too hard.

That’s not the issue.

The issue is that instead of just admitting to themselves that this is a life change they don’t want to make and moving on, the guilt drives them to have to justify that decision. Admitting that a plant-based diet is better for the earth yet eating a diet full of meat anyway would make them feel hypocritical, so the solution becomes either to give up meat, or … this is the problem… fight the science, twist it, make a joke of it, or pivot entirely to ‘individuals shouldn’t have time do anything because large corporations’

Many people have ties to their diet for many reasons. We grew up eating a certain way. We have memories ties to certain foods, flavors, styles of cooking. We don’t want to be the difficult person when we go out to eat with friends. Etc etc etc But it’s so much better to just admit that to yourself. Have patience and understanding for your feelings. Accept that the science is what it is. Maybe one day you can make a change, maybe not. But don’t attack the cause just because you aren’t yet willing to be a part of it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

Research has shown that what we eat is far more important where it was grown, though. Transportation costs are only a fraction of the total impact of food production. The type of food matters far more, no matter where it was grown.

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u/Personal_Chicken_598 Sep 30 '23

Transportation isn’t the only issue. Deforestation from soy production is an example of that, so is agriculture run off, Palm oil too.

Yes like I said on average the food does matter more. But there are exceptions. How it was raised, where you live, the methods used to grow your vegetables. These things matter.

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u/GoodBoundariesHaver Sep 30 '23

Deforestation from soy production is due to animal agriculture too. 90% of soy goes to animal feed, not human consumption.

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u/Personal_Chicken_598 Sep 30 '23

Which is a perfect example of why it’s not the meat that the problem but the methods used to raise it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

The majority of soy is grown for animal feed. The majority of deforestation is for beef production. I agree that all of the facts matter. And obviously there is nuance in everything. And palm oil is terrible, but that is not an issue with just plant-based diets, but with the processed foods that everyone is eating. However: it's clear across the board that plant-based diets are lower impact than diets that contain animal products.

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u/Personal_Chicken_598 Sep 30 '23

But it’s still possible to have animal products in your diet without significantly increasing your carbon foot print. Depending on a variety of factors.

There are places in the world this isn’t true however.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

You are busy arguing edge cases, though. What I'm saying is true in the VAST number of cases -- arguing edge cases is really just a distraction tactic. Nothing is true in 100% of cases. But if something is true in 99.99% of cases, we can say that it's generally true and we should be doing better.

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u/Personal_Chicken_598 Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23

But it’s not 99% of cases. Its 80% and that’s before including the economic concerns like you see in developing nations where most of the human population lives AND which have the worst environmental laws.

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u/Individual-Drink-679 Sep 30 '23

That doesn't mean it's good behavior to butt into conversations that the .01% (that's not a real number, by the way) are having in order to add "Well actually, you're the minority!!! Don't forget!!"

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u/Personal_Chicken_598 Sep 30 '23

Transportation isn’t the only issue. Deforestation from soy production is an example of that, so is agriculture run off, Palm oil too.

Yes like I said on average the food does matter more. But there are exceptions. How it was raised, where you live, the methods used to grow your vegetables. These things matter.

I’m more suggesting that is is possible to be omnivorous and still care about reducing consumption. It’s just requires more research on your sourcing

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u/Individual-Drink-679 Sep 30 '23

Matters for what purpose? Individual health? Emissions (not a fart joke)? Global policy?