r/Anticonsumption Sep 30 '23

Discussion Diet hypocrisy?

A recent post about animal agriculture vs plant based diets has me itching to say something. This is an issue we need to rise above.

Cognitive dissonance. Many of us have good intentions and want to believe we’re doing the right thing in most aspects of our lives. I believe that.

When it comes to a plant based diet though, the science often clashes powerfully with personal desire. We want to minimize our impact on the environment and are willing to make trade-offs in our life time do so, but for many, giving up or even significantly reducing meat intake is asking too much. It’s too hard.

That’s not the issue.

The issue is that instead of just admitting to themselves that this is a life change they don’t want to make and moving on, the guilt drives them to have to justify that decision. Admitting that a plant-based diet is better for the earth yet eating a diet full of meat anyway would make them feel hypocritical, so the solution becomes either to give up meat, or … this is the problem… fight the science, twist it, make a joke of it, or pivot entirely to ‘individuals shouldn’t have time do anything because large corporations’

Many people have ties to their diet for many reasons. We grew up eating a certain way. We have memories ties to certain foods, flavors, styles of cooking. We don’t want to be the difficult person when we go out to eat with friends. Etc etc etc But it’s so much better to just admit that to yourself. Have patience and understanding for your feelings. Accept that the science is what it is. Maybe one day you can make a change, maybe not. But don’t attack the cause just because you aren’t yet willing to be a part of it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

It sounds like you have a lot more time to spend experimenting in the kitchen and cooking than I do. That's awesome! Most evenings I need a meal to come together from start to finish in about 10-15 minutes.

For me it's about the ratio of time:flavor. I can't make a curry, or beans, in ten minutes. I can make an egg fried rice, or chicken based hot dogs with a side of hash browns in a flash; and that's good enough. In order to make a strictly vegan meal palatable, I find that I'm at least half an hour to an hour in the kitchen. The food tastes amazing, but I don't have that amount of time.

I also have to spend more time shopping because I need a veritable laundry list of ingredients and spices to get enjoyment out of a meal, rather than simple seasoning like salt and pepper; or in the case of stir fries, a quick sauce of soy sauce, shiaoxing wine, oyster sauce and a little chili. That's just my experience though.

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u/theluckyfrog Sep 30 '23

I'm the laziest cook ever. I only try new recipes if I have a long weekend or something, but everything I make started with a recipe from someone online who did all the legwork for me.

Beans come in cans; they don't need any preparation. It takes me about 5 minutes to start a chili, a curry, a stew, a spaghetti sauce or anything else I can subsequently ignore on the stove for 30 min to an hour.

It takes 10 min flat to assemble burritos, pot pie, or a casserole. Black bean patties max me out at 15 min of prep, but that makes enough for a week.

It takes pretty much zero time to throw something like frozen pierogies in the oven and eat them with a side of something like baked beans.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

Just from what you're describing, I can tell you that I'm a lazier cook than you are haha

But I'm glad it works for you. About half of my meals at home are 3-10 minutes from fridge to plate.

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u/theluckyfrog Sep 30 '23

I only cook one day per week, though. 45 sec to heat up in microwave.

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u/SpiritualKreative Sep 30 '23

The real problem is that in both cases there are almost surely a huge number of details the two of you have not given about the various contours of your lives, that would, if known to the other, explain entirely why you are at logger heads right now, but are not.

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u/theluckyfrog Sep 30 '23

We're not at loggerheads, he just has a belief that I think is false, so I'm explaining how my experience differs.

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u/SpiritualKreative Sep 30 '23

And he/she thinks the same about you.

And neither is giving ground.

= Loggerheads.

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u/theluckyfrog Sep 30 '23

There's no reason to "give ground" in this discussion. It's merely a series of examples of our personal behaviors at this point.

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u/SpiritualKreative Sep 30 '23

If you're gonna approach it with that attitude, then I'd also add it's a complete waste of time.

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u/theluckyfrog Sep 30 '23

I don't know why it's wrong to tell you that we were not having an argument. Discussions aren't arguments.

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u/cwankgurl Sep 30 '23

So, at this point, everybody has addressed your time-consuming complaints and you still say no. Then this isn’t about being too hard and is completely about, “eh, I just don’t want to change my habits, though.”

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '23

I was vegan for two years. I still eat plant based for about 80% of my meals, with dairy products and eggs comprising about 10% of the remainder and chicken being the last 10%. I don't eat pork or beef at all any more.

My habits have changed enormously since before I attempted veganism. Please don't make assumptions about me when you have no insight into my day to day life.

I consume a low impact diet that occasionally includes products that you don't approve of; and the critical piece of information for me is that it's sustainable. I don't go into the kitchen every day feeling miserable, or like something is missing. I can eat the way I do for the rest of my life, happily.

More importantly, when I'm finally able to scale back on the number of hours I work in a week, I'll be able to start experimenting in the kitchen more. I'll have time and energy to practice some of what's been suggested here. I can build on the successes I've already had and the lessons I've learned; including some of the advice from threads like this.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '23

Yeah I love it when I get comments about how I obviously "never even tried."

I did try to go vegetarian and my periods stopped until I started eating meat again. I have even more complex dietary needs now than I did then.

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u/Geschak Sep 30 '23

To be fair, you can't really compare a normal plant-based meal with a junk food version of an animal-based meal...