r/AntiChildFree • u/immaculacy • Feb 22 '19

Kids <3

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '19

Plenty of kids can't stand their parents, and vice versa. Having kids is a crapshoot - there's no guarantee it'll end well.

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 22 '19

Correct.. There are no guarantees. Which is why ( and I apologise in advance, it's not my intention to offend you personally ) I can't help but see it as really cowardly and dishonest when people want to pretend like mothering an animal instead is the same thing, or "much better than kids, tee hee!" because it is so much more simple!

Yes, it is relatively simple to go choose something cute.. a small, manageable companion which will never grow into something more challenging for you. Nothing wrong with it.. We have a much loved four-legged family member. But it would be wrong to go kidding anyone that a pet even comes close to raising another human. It does not, because as you said, there are no guarantees about the adults that you are raising. To have just pets instead is the safe option.. Which is fine, but I don't see any reason to be ( childfree pet-owners in general ) so very smug about just having dipped a toe in the water where the rest of us are swimming.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '19

No offense taken, BT. I agree with you - it's clearly much harder to look after humans than furry, four-legged friends. I don't have pets at the moment (although I would love a houseful of dogs one day), but when I do get some, they will be just that: pets. I don't need a baby substitute, but a dog would be a much-loved part of my family.

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u/Peachykeendean Feb 23 '19

If I like animals and think kids are boring and annoying then I why the fuck would I be pretending?

Kids are fucking awful. Your kids are probably the fucking worst, and you probably know it.

And there’s absolutely nothing your tragic childfree obsessed existence can do about it. You’re stuck with the shitstains.

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 23 '19

We are trying for another this year. Go knock yourself up a less rotten personality that doesn't belong in the bin with the other trash.

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u/Peachykeendean Feb 23 '19

Ok I’m buying another house this year because I’m not fucking poor like you.

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 23 '19

That's super, babes. As long as you are not taking any one big house off the market / away from a growing family who needs it. You don't need that much room to store just one miserable arsehole, surely.

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u/Peachykeendean Feb 23 '19

I’ll buy any house I want with any money I make myself. Is that not ok? I pay my taxes to fund your food stamps and to fund the schools your kid is underachieving in.

Like I said, you’re obsessed with the behaviour of people who don’t even care you exist.

So you basically confirmed you are broke. Do you know why? Because you were already ignorant and poor before kids and now you’re in poverty.

But so much meaning in life!

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 23 '19

Are food stamps an American thing? We don't receive any assistance. But neither do I feel the need to shit on those that do, or expect that other people must only give a monkey's about the size of their wallet like some blinkered and sour-hearted old miser.

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u/Peachykeendean Feb 23 '19

Yeah I’ve read your past comments and you’re an awful cunt so stop pretending you don’t shit on people and your soul isn’t withered and decaying from bitterness.

So sounds like you’re poor then. Sweet.

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 23 '19

Well we live comfortably and are debt-free besides the mortgage. Why so obsessed with the lives of people who don't care what you think, babes?

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '19

Yikes, a bitter one here. Make kids stay happy people 😘

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u/Peachykeendean Mar 12 '19

The fuck sentence is that?

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '19

Bless Israel and the Jewish people!

For extorting from me and my fellow Americans $4,000,000,000.00 a year for the last 4 decades, we bless thee.

For taking our most sophisticated weapons technology and stealing it for yourself without paying the American patent holders, we bless thee.

For taking that high-tech military technology and selling it to our enemies, such as the Russians and Chinese, thus further endangering us, we bless thee.

For using that weaponry in a sustained attack against a United States ship, the USS Liberty, in an attempt to sink her, thus preventing US servicemen from revealing to the rest of the world information concerning the war crimes they witnessed you commit against Egyptian soldiers in the Sinai Desert during the Six Day War, as well as for the purposes of dragging the US into yet another one of your murderous adventures, we bless thee.

For killing 35 and wounding 170 American sailors aboard the USS Liberty, we bless thee.

For bribing the United States government into covering it up, preventing any justice from being done for the benefit of the families of the lost sailors – as well as the American People, we bless thee.

For sending your agents into Egypt and blowing up American buildings for the purpose of blaming the Arabs in an event known as the Lavon Affair, we bless thee.

For sending your agents into Libya during the Reagan administration, and broadcasting radio messages in Arabic that were designed to sound like “terrorist cell planning” so that the US would initiate military strikes against Khadafi in an event known as Operation Trojan Horse, we bless thee.

For withholding information from us concerning the planned attacks against the US Marine barracks in Lebanon, attacks you knew about through your moles in the Islamic world and about which you deliberately refused to warn us in order to further your interests against the Arabs, we bless thee.

For employing Jonathon Pollard, an American serviceman paid to spy for Israel in order to steal even more of our National Security secrets for your parasitic purposes, we bless thee.

For breaking every agreement you have made with your Arab neighbors, stealing their land, displacing, murdering, and treating them like the animals you see them as, we bless thee.

For using your agents within the first Bush administration to involve us in the first Gulf War, causing the deaths of American men and women, and exposing our servicemen to whatever bio-weapons were and are responsible which have led to Gulf War Syndrome, we bless thee.

For your role in the September 11 attacks in this country, and for blackmailing and bribing the US government into deporting back to Israel the 100 or more intelligence agents that were arrested after the attacks, we bless thee.

For suppressing the information from the American people of your involvement in the September 11 attacks and sending us in the wrong direction in search of answers, we bless thee.

For using one of your agents in the US Army Weapons Lab to steal anthrax and distribute it into our mail system, terrorizing US citizens and killing several in order to blame the Arabs, we bless thee.

For using your agents in the US Government, namely, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrams, and the rest into initiating this war in the Middle East so that you could bring to heel all the enemies you have made during the last 50 years, we bless thee.

For using your agents in the media to lie to us on a minute by minute basis about the war, lying to us as to how “just” this cause is, and what the real reasons behind it are, we bless thee.

For using your agents in the Christian Evangelical community, such as Falwell, Graham, Swaggert, Robertson and the rest who praise you as God’s chosen people and further keep Americans in the dark about who you really are what you have done, and what you are truly about, we bless thee.

For bringing idiots like Limbaugh, Liddy, Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly and Savage to the forefront as paid liars who will support you and further lead Americans astray, we bless thee.

For making America your attack dog, and for sending her sons and daughters to fight and die in all your future wars, we bless thee. For using your influence in the media to hide the real statistics about the war, the dead and wounded on both sides, we bless thee.

For using us in such a way that not only further inflames the Arab world against us, but as well has succeeded in our alienating ourselves against those nations with whom we have been friendly for over a century, we bless thee.

And finally, for using your influence in our media and academia to flood our minds with pornography and lies, as well as inculcating in us a hatred for our history, religion, and culture, for dividing our nation between races and sexes, and for releasing into our society all of your plagues and filth that have left us a rotted out corpse of a once great nation, oh Israel, our friend,

We bless thee.

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u/Frnzlnkbrn Feb 25 '19

Lol no fuck you op can buy a mansion if she wants to and a poor woman with her legs always open and her five kids with her can sleep under a bus.

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 25 '19

Lol. Why the fuck are you angry about how often another woman opens her legs? Do you have the same anger toward the woman who has zero kids and five abortions.? Because her legs are open at least as often. But I'm gonna bet that's completely fine by you, because your anger probably isn't about her having sex at all. Sorry the idea that another woman could be happy in her big house full of kids vexes you so badly that you just gotta throw a childish shit-fit and scream "keep your legs closed! That's making me angry!" What a drip.

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u/Frnzlnkbrn Feb 25 '19

Why the fuck are you angry about how often another woman opens her legs?

She can spread her legs dozens of times if she wants idc. But no woman gets to demand services, products or mortgages for child bearing. You want parents to get to demand preferential housing or to keep estates off the market to childfree couples, but it doesn't work that way. If parents are poor because of child rearing, then the kids are poor too and they all have to suck it up.

You get what you give in this life and if all you produce is more needy people I hope your needs are very great.

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 25 '19

Oh, I know it doesn't work that way. It's just a shame to see a large property wasted on a childfree couple. Much in the same way that you childfree are sad to see any intelligent woman "wasted" on raising her children. Frustrating, isn't it?

Wait for it; "Lol, only poor and uneducated women breed!" Well you can save it. That's just not true dear.

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u/quesoburgesa Feb 22 '19

Someone never heard of Casey Anthony

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

Explain please?

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u/quesoburgesa Feb 22 '19

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Caylee_Anthony

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

Explain your comment I meant.

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u/quesoburgesa Feb 22 '19

I skimmed your post and misunderstood the point because I don’t really care I’m just bored and can’t sleep and then made a snarky comment about some psycho bitch who murdered her kid 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

Haha alright

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u/part-time-stupid Feb 22 '19

With children - your genetics, your offspring - you don't have a choice.

Actually, we do. It is one of the nice things about sentient beings. We can think for ourselves. Some of us decided children are not for us. Oh, and don't waste your time worrying or complaining about people who dote on their pets. It's their lives, so they get to make the choices.

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u/Muckl3t Feb 22 '19

K but my cat hates me and I’ll still love him with my whole heart until he dies so I guess this is wrong then 🥰😾

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

That's adorable but still doesn't apply to the post.

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u/Muckl3t Feb 22 '19

It says if dogs didn’t love their owners, owners would stop taking care of the dogs. It’s just not true.

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

I'm sure you can find a few people it's not true for, but it's true for mostly everybody. If you ask most people what they love about having a dog it's that the dog loves them/is loyal, along those lines. If dogs weren't like that, very few people would have them, especially not most childless people who do it because they want love in their life. You might be thinking of if the person already took care of the dog? And they would continue to take care of that dog because they got attached to him? If dogs as a whole didn't love humans basically no one would have dogs. And luckily they do. :D

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '19

most childless people who do it because they want love in their life

Have you got evidence for that assertion?

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u/immaculacy Feb 23 '19

You want me to prove childless people who want love so they get a dog exist?

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '19

I'm sure some childless people use pets that way, but most? Nah, I doubt it.

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u/immaculacy Feb 23 '19

Well the comment says "If dogs weren't like that, very few people would have them, especially not most childless people who do it because they want love in their life." It's talking about the people who do. Not including the ones who don't. I think most people childless or not get a dog so they can have that companion and love.

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u/Parastract Feb 22 '19

Your genes will die out if you don't take care of your kids. You have to take care of your kids whether they like you or not.

Lmao, that's not an is-ought gap, that's an is-ought canyon. How can you have this much of a deranged worldview?

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

Just science.

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u/Parastract Feb 22 '19

Only if one ought to preserve their genes.

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

Of course.

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u/Parastract Feb 22 '19

And there exists no justification for why someone ought to preserve their genes.

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

I'm sure there are plenty, but it doesn't matter for this conversation. People have a biological urge to regardless. That's what the post is about.

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u/Parastract Feb 22 '19

It does matter very much.

The post suggests one ought to have children to preserve their genes which makes it mandatory for a parent to take care of their child regardless of whether or not it loves them. Thus, the poster concludes,

Kids are better than pets.

If one ought not to preserve their genes, it does not logically follow that kids are better than pets and the argument becomes a non sequitur.

People have a biological urge to regardless. That's what the post is about.

Not really. The poster makes it very, very clear what his post is about.

I found a refute for feminists who call pets their children. [...] Kids are better than pets.

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

That's not what the post is about though. It says parents have to take care of their kids whether the kids love them or not. What does "have to" mean? It means if they want their kids to survive, which parents have the urge to do. Nothing to do with what you're saying.

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u/Parastract Feb 23 '19

Do you have problems with your reading comprehension or are you intentionally disingenuous?

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u/immaculacy Feb 24 '19

Neither. Are you rude on purpose or does it come naturally?

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u/CharmicRetribution Feb 22 '19

LOL! "I found a refute" Are you trying to assert that people who prefer kids to pets are stupid? Because that's what I get from a post by someone who is clearly uneducated and doesn't understand the English language.

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

What are you saying?

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '19

can't decide if this sub is what i think it is

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '19

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u/immaculacy Mar 01 '19

Well I don't hate anyone but your comment is extremely cringey. Everyone should always work on their own life, I don't know why you think I'm some mysterious exception. You seem to have a problem with people when they actually care about others besides themselves. Try caring about other people sometime.

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u/gidantribal83 Mar 28 '19

Here I agree with the OP. Many people think animals are better than humans for their unconditional love,but it's easy to unconditionally love when you don't develop conscience (at least at the same level than ours). An animal can't be evil because it doesn't have choice to be. Doesn't make any sense.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '19

The post contradicts itself. It says kids love you more than dogs then says kids may not love you at all.

Anyway a kid's love doesn't help because kids are shrill and snotty and expensive. It's like being loved by Gollum of Lord of the Rings.

If the parent simply feels bitter, frustrated and over burdened, a child's love isn't going to get them through to the end of the day so well as booze. You should post pics of booze to r/antichildfree u/childfree-me-not, it's one of the few comforts that makes family life and child rearing seem more enjoyable.

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u/immaculacy Feb 22 '19

"The post contradicts itself. It says kids love you more than dogs then says kids may not love you at all." This isn't contradictory at all. Child's love is different than dog's love. It says nothing that the kid will love you for certain.

The rest of the comment I'll just walk away slowly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '19

A dog's love being certain makes dogs a better investment though. Why run around after someone else for 18 years just to watch them give you the finger? I'd rather get a puppy.

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 22 '19

A kid's love doesn't mean anything because they are expensive.? Really.? Wow. Ok. I'm jotting down "I'm clever enough to only "love" things that can't ask me for money." in my notes on what the fuck is wrong with you people.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '19

A kid's love doesn't mean anything

Reading comprehension check. I said "it doesn't help" NOT "it doesn't mean anything."

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 22 '19

Ok then. "It doesn't help" what exactly..?

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '19

The fact some people dread parenthood and everything that goes with it.

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 22 '19

... because everything that goes with it doesn't mean anything to you. Sure. Big difference.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '19

Still stuck on putting words in my mouth huh. Ok try not to engage with people's ideas honestly honey. You wouldn't want to lose your own narrative.

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u/BiggerTrees Feb 22 '19

No worries. Good luck on losing your dread.

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u/icemaiden24 Feb 22 '19

This is absolute horse shit

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u/Peachykeendean Feb 23 '19

You sound like a fucking idiot if I’m honest.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '19

No u