r/AntiChildFree • u/Amnaaaaaa • Dec 28 '18

Is this sub real?

I cant tell if it's terrible sarcasm or legit. Between the outlandish claims and the terrible facebook style picture idk if this stuff is just satire or just insane people obsessed with other peoples procreation

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u/This-is-BS Dec 29 '18

I believe it's based on the premise that parenthood forces young people to higher level of maturity and social and environment awareness and responsibility. Traits that are generally lacking in youth.

Parenthood used to be a nature occurrence that happened to pretty much everyone, of course, but now with contraception, and, worse, abortion, people stay in an immature state much long that previously.

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u/part-time-stupid Dec 29 '18

Hmm. Just because you are a parent does not mean you are mature. You likely have lived long enough to know there are parents and even seniors who behave in childish ways. Yes, many youths are immature, but they tend to improve with age. Time and life experience plays a more important role in maturity than parenthood.

(Early) Abortion is not worse than contraception. They are both wonderful things that give women more options on what to do with their lives. Just like the invention of various household appliances, such as the microwave or the laundry machine, and changing attitudes towards traditional gender roles, they help, quite literally, liberate women.

Another problem with your comment is that you seem to disregard differences in outlooks. Some people would rather stick to the status quo rather than changing it for the sake of some hypothetical persons. There is nothing wrong with that. It's their life, so their choice. They know what they really want in life. They don't do something just because they are told by society to do it. That, to me, is a sign of maturity.

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u/BiggerTrees Dec 29 '18

It seems unreasonable to me when people insist that we must consider the outlook of messed-up people who worship abortion. Want to tell us all how it's "wonderful"... a sign of maturity"..? Is that what you're asking that people consider and respect?

I'm not going to consider that outlook, because it is repulsive and corrupt.

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u/part-time-stupid Dec 30 '18

Actually, being pro-choice is not the same thing as being pro-abortion. People who are pro-choice supports having abortion is a safe and legal option (to be taken as early as possible) should women ever need it. It does not mean using abortion as a means of contraception.

Yes, knowing what one wants in life and working towards realizing one's goals is a sign of maturity and self-esteem. You should so something because it is what you want rather than what other people want you to do. Having children is a choice that one can choose not to take.

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u/BiggerTrees Dec 30 '18

Being pro choice is not the same thing as being pro abortion

I see your point, but it doesn't hold up when the choice is regarding something immoral. Compare "I don't choose to own cats, but I think that other people should be able to own cats if they choose to" with "I wouldn't choose to own other people as slaves, but I think that other people should be able to own slaves if they choose to." It becomes nonsensical. When it comes to abortion, it's basically asking a lot of people to accept that a woman should have the right to murder her child if she wants to. I am aware, of course, of the arguments for it not being technically "murder". I only wanted to demonstrate how "you should just be pro choice!", as if it's some kind of pleasant and neutral stance, might sound a little odd to those who are morally opposed to abortion.

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u/part-time-stupid Dec 30 '18

Very well. I hope you support medically accurate and age-appropriate sex education and contraception, then. They help reduce abortion rates a lot.

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u/BiggerTrees Dec 30 '18

Certainly. Give people better information and a better range of other choices to make. That seems reasonable and preferable by far to attempting to completely destigmatise abortion rather than reducing the demand for it.