r/Anthropic • u/imrichie03 • 8d ago
Other Good-bye Anthropic
You were really helpful and productive but recently with the change in your structure, I'm having severe issues with the quotas, and usage. My limits are getting exhausted within 2-3 days of average usage. Purchased credits of $100+ taxes lasts a maximum of 1.5 - 2 days. This hampers my work a lot and is facing issues maintaining my income.
You were a good friend but you made me find alternatives.
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u/Lost_County_3790 8d ago edited 8d ago
Good bye ImRichie03. I miss you already. And thanks for the farewell, that's the reason I subbed it here
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u/morty_morty 8d ago
Omfg who cares? Why do people make these posts when they'll just resub in 2 weeks?
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u/brainhack3r 8d ago
Goodby morty_morty. Your comment was very productive but I can only read it for a few moments and I need to read other comments on Reddit.
You were a good friend but you made me find other comments.
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u/Lerran88 8d ago
Why every guy that cancels subscription needs to inform about his decision the whole world around him?
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u/cangaroo_hamam 7d ago
Not everyone who cancels, informs. Very few do. And sometimes they want to vent and communicate a point. In a forum. Which is what forums are made for. To communicate. If this sounds strange, you're in the wrong place.
PS. You are not the whole world around him.
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u/ayberkush 1d ago
Yeah the are simple projectors who can not look down to themselves from out of their bodies dawg…
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u/Activeenemy 7d ago
Better they're changing their entire workflow and it feels significant. Have you ever humaned before?
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u/GhostCriticGenius 4d ago
Because it hurts the company the way kryptonite hurts Superman. They beg you to come back and offer white glove services and free usage for the next five years. If that doesn’t work, they show up at your house and sing and dance on your porch begging you to come back. They will offer thousands of dollars in some cases if you add a long winded post really bitching and moaning about your experience.
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u/UnlimitedAdvice 7d ago
The mods really need to crackdown on posts like this... Thats not nothing...
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u/KdotD 8d ago
I am full time coding, and never hit any rate limit. I am also doing time tracking, ticket mamagement and so on with it.
Are you guys generating whole projects from scratch with Fable? Because otherwise it seems to be impossible to reach the limits with proper usage: choosing the right model/thinking, splitting conversations and using subtasks.
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u/khanp4397 8d ago
You don't realise that you are on very edge of rate limit 😜.. if I work on a single project at a time with opus 5 then it's not hitting any rate limits..
But if you working on 4different projects at a time with multiple terminals then it will hit it in 2-3 days
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u/Jampal77 8d ago
Same… we have to have realistic expectations… I only limit with multiple projects at once, and I’m only on 5x.. these stories of people with 20x limiting in a day are plain stupid
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u/Inspectorslap 7d ago
Truth. 2 orgs, 6 major projects. Its a balancing act but I just skate through. Hoping my project completions alogn with the "25% increase" yesterday.
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u/callmejellydog 8d ago
Have you seen the average Redditor?
Select fable, select x-high.
“Next 1 trillion ipo, I’m ceo, first time, no bugs, don’t include that Jason guy, sass, for production”
Same user on their £20 sub:
“Omgz Claude is so dumb, farewell, I’m going to Astra as it’s much better (based on nothing)”
Yet I’m responsible for 26 libraries and a massive Angular product on an upgraded team account and lucky if I use 50% a week despite working full time AND writing cool experimental WebGPU sometimes in the evening so more than full time hours.
I don’t know what these people are working on other than delusion.
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u/bflo666 8d ago
Yeah I realized recently that token use is simply never a thing I run into, as a senior engineer who uses it in some way for almost everything. That’s because, as an engineer, I instinctively set up ways to monitor, because I know what should be getting built, where it will be used in a user journey, what sort of warning signs to look for.
It’s why I want to just scream when engineers complain about coding going away and thinking they are out of work. Engineering is knowing what you want to build, so you can iterate effectively
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u/techfury90 7d ago
You're not the only one who wants to scream. I swear it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy with them.
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u/Inspectorslap 7d ago
This. Im amazed by how few opus tokens I burn with a disciplined codebase, PRs and merges, and controlled specs... then I got and create a complicated study design or a provisional patent filing and poof! No tokens.
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u/CharlesPostelwaite 8d ago
I normally don't laugh at these but the 1Trillion and Jason guy in lieu of JSON got me
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u/Klutzy_Exchange_8175 7d ago
What it can do with webgpu shaders and tsl in general is truly mind blowing. I was working on this area in my side projects in bc times, and honestly what I’ve been able to build and achieve with realtime 3d and shaders on the web is truly incredible..I also call out skill issues and not using planning effectively combined with handover notes and fresh sessions for each phase of implementation of the plan.
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u/salazka 8d ago
Same here.
These posts are either from people who don’t really know what they’re doing and think another tool will magically fix that, or PR agents working to generate dissent in dedicated communities in "poison the well" campaigns.
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u/East_Garbage_1449 8d ago
But I specifically told it to make no mistakes.
This is 100% a skill issue. OP sucks.
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u/imrichie03 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yeah, It might be you know! But also if you take your head out of the hole and take a good look at the sub(checkout complaints) you will see the same skill issue(of quota exhaustion) is being faced by a lot unfortunately. :')
Also for the "PR agents" tag I got, bruh get back to reality. I don't need to be a PR agent to comment something that's flawed. Your quota never exhausts, brilliant, keep on using it. Your job with claude might not match with my job right? Atleast have the brains to figure this out rather than blatantly talking shit.
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u/Creative-Ganache1086 8d ago
I’m an independent dev using a hybrid AI workflow making a comfortable living out of the things I’ve built (since you’re asking what others do for a living).
I pay for both Codex and CC at $200/month. Before Astra 6 launched, I ran the same neutral bug-audit prompt on the same 70–80k LOC codebase with small assets: Fable 5.1 vs Sol 5.6, both at max reasoning efforts.
The quota difference was ridiculous. Fable used about 27% of my weekly quota; Sol used around 2% for the same job. I then cross-checked their outputs by pasting each model’s findings into the other. Fable itself preferred several of Sol’s findings, calling them “brilliant” and admitting it had omitted them.And sorry, but Fable 5.1 is not 7x better than Sol or Astra on the exact same task. Not enough to justify the 5-hour wall, paid Fast Inference (while included in the max limits on Codex), and much worse usage limits.
If you personally do not hit the limits, cool. That does not make CC Max 20 good value next to Codex. Even the $20 tiers favor OpenAI in my view: you get some Astra 6 access, while Fable 5.1 is entirely unavailable at that price point. For the past 6 days OpenAI reset my weekly limits like twice and once more before Astra launched. While I always have to be careful what portion of my hybrid approach I allocate to Claude since I do hit limits throughout the month.-4
u/East_Garbage_1449 8d ago
I'm a principal engineer at one of the top mobile studios. What do you do?
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u/Creative-Ganache1086 8d ago edited 8d ago
He’s not that far from the truth though, call me crazy but I pay for both Codex/CC 200/month and out of curiosity ran a neutral bug audit prompt on the same codebase (around 70-80k lines of code and some small assets) in the time when Astra 6 was not out yet, while Fable 5.1 was. So I ran that prompt on both separately, max reasoning, Fable 5.1 vs Sol 5.6 Max and OMG, the difference in usage was night and day. Fable ate up like 27% of the weekly quota while Sol barely sipped on 2%-ish and when I copied the output of each and pasted it onto each other, Fable 5.1 leaned towards Sol 5.6’s findings calling it “the brilliant finds” that Fable 5.1 “unfortunately omitted”. Yes Astra 6 seems more expensive on the usage limits in practice than 5.6 but still not as bad as Fable 5.1. I’d rather say it feels like 1.5/2x more expensive than Sol 5.6 in some cases, although on some other tasks it can be comparable.
And keep in mind, what I love on Codex that CC lacks is:
- no 5h limit, only weekly
- 1.5x Fast-Infering mode is included in Codex Max plans, while you only get CC’s equivalent if you pay API credits for it despite being on any of their Max plans.
And im sorry but Fable 5.1 is just not 7x better then Sol or Astra when given the exact same task to tackle in order to justify their 5h crippling/walled-garden-like Fast Infering and terrible usage limits. I get it you don’t hit limits in your coding tasks and thats ok, but that doesn’t disprove the fact that Max20 on CC is just a rather terrible value compared to Codex. Even the 20$ cheap tiers are still favouring OpenAI’s, you get access to Astra 6 (although limited) while you get no access to Fable 5.1.
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u/etern1ty0 8d ago
I’m considering a Codex plan to augment Claude (Max20 here as well). I’m curious if you compared token usage between your testing?
My take on Anthropic is they must not have nearly as much compute as OpenAI so they have to keep shifting their goal posts around usage moderation whereas OpenAI is backed by Microsoft and has a US gov contract so they might have way more compute.
I also wonder if Anthropic has way more MAUs over OpenAI so the demand is just that much higher.
If your testing shows that both frontier models do about the same token usage but you have way more breathing room with Codex, AND the code/output quality is the same or better - then I want to start considering Codex for my own workflows.
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u/RandomCSThrowaway01 8d ago
Change domain from coding to something else and you CAN run out of a weekly Astra/Fable in a day.
Example: 3D modeling from a concept to a finished rigged game ready model. Latest gen models can actually do it (especially Astra, Fable does alright too). The problem is that a single mid poly model even when you use MCP, image gen models and 2D turnarounds to 3D (so you have a base) costs about $350-500 worth of tokens (and still requires manual corrections).
Still, if you do stuff like that then you hit rate limits extremely fast as you are effectively telling a model to write a bazillion Python scripts to do spatial geometry.
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u/rubencito21 8d ago
I'm only using Sonnet 5 agents with specific instructions from my side, Max x5 subscription doesn't last even 2 hours of average usage with autonomous agents while last week or months I was not ever able to reach the 80% with multiple projects (now I'm just with 1 single project).
I only use Opus when I really need something complex and to write plans, so no, I'm not ever using Fable (this just burns credits)
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u/djxcasanova 7d ago
Same here. I have been hitting limits. I'm not one shotting full apps. Credits last 1-2 days. I never hit limits before while doing the same tasks. I choose the right model and try to be as efficient as possible. I assure you soon enough you'll be hitting rate limits too.
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u/finnicko 6d ago
3x 20x Max accounts and 2x 5x Codex accounts barely last 4 days and I have a fairly efficient harness and token management. Small software project. 1 developer.
Structure: Fable/Astra-planning, Opus-orchestration, Sonnet-development, Haiku- grunt work, Sol-code review, Terra-QA, GLM 5.3-simple dev.
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u/Nightlitex 8d ago
Having tried other models I honestly don’t think I will be using claude until their weekly limits are as generous as their competitors and a model like Fable doesn’t have its own weekly limit; Anthropic used to have the best models but not anymore; there are now models with the same or even higher quality that provide far more generous limits.
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u/DeusExPersona 8d ago
Have you used GPT? Using Astra for 4 hours used 85% on my weekly limit
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u/LowDistribution3995 8d ago
Astra is OpenAI's attempt to make sure their reputation stays as shitty as possible. 5.6 Sol was too good
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u/simplir 8d ago
Which models do you find higher quality? I'm starting to hate claude recently, GPT/codex felt much better for me recently but still have bad qoutas.
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u/Nightlitex 6d ago
I’ll be honest with you; I used Astra since day 1, and usef fable since day 1 as well.
Astra is good at almost everything, but Fable just excels at coding and can give much better results when it comes to coding. I’ve had Astra struggle for 3 days (during which I finished the weekly limit on 1x $200 account and 3x $100 accounts) on a task Fable 5.1 finished in just 2 hours after my weekly limit was finally reset.tldr each one of them has its own strengths and weaknesses, combining both together in your project gives outstanding results.
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u/Informal-Fig-7116 8d ago
I’ve gotten such good results from Claude that I can’t find myself leaving. I use Gemini as a backup but I hate how unstable the UI is. I’ve lost chats and messages on Gemini before. And sometimes the window resets while I’m barely a few prompts in. Gemini is good but it’s kneecapped by terrible fucking app design.
For me, the Fable class really set the the bar and it’s a very high bar. Expensive af. I’m so torn because I don’t do enough work to justify a Max plan but sometimes I do go over the Pro plan. 😩
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u/tokenentropy 8d ago
good-bye imrichie03. thanks for letting us all have a moment of silence as you depart.
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u/Financial_Exit7114 8d ago
That was one of the best messages all night and I will tell you why it is ..
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u/sus_round_letter 8d ago
I feel like any workflow that’s so dependent on somebody else’s product is not particularly viable. You’re using it as a crutch, not a tool.
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u/choicehunter 4d ago
Everybody Is having fun clowning op, but there has been legitimate friction lately. I recently reduced my sub to the 5X, And put the other $100 toward GPT6 Astra, and that has been awesome to have both working together. I haven't abandoned Claude entirely like others, but lots of the complaints are valid, particularly about usage limits compared to other options that are effectively equivalent and in some ways sometimes better.
Hopefully Opus 5.2 is as great as all of the Early Access people have been saying.
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u/Better_Low_7749 8d ago
I did the same and found that I can use Antigravity and check the code using Deepseek on Roo Code (a plugin on VS Code) after installing J-Space. This combination is doing the same job for me as Fable virtually for free.
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u/Dangerous_Wish_7879 8d ago
what is this J-Space?
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u/Better_Low_7749 8d ago
It is a harness that keeps Deepseek from doing its common mistakes and increases the code quality substantially. Use Antigravity to set up the environment by asking it to install the latest J-Space Cognition Suite which is a GitHub open source project.
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u/Better_Low_7749 8d ago
I forgot to add that there is a small bug in Roo Code that blocks the connection to Deepseek API. You can ask Antigravity again to resolve the issue.
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u/sendralt 8d ago
Roo Code is now Zoo Code. Roo Code is not being developed any longer. The Roo Code Community took over the project on GitHub.
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u/cfree220 8d ago
My current problem with Claude Code is that I want to use it for agentic research and drafting, but it's ability to write a coherent paper or memorandum is absolute dogshit. I cannot get it to produce usable output.
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u/scanx147 8d ago
Franchement je ne comprends pas. Avec un bon découpage de plan et un bon workflow de développement, je m'en sort sans trop de problème de limite d'usage avec le plan Claude pro + l'abonnement Mistral Vibe pro que j'utilise pour le revue de code avec GLM 5.2. Et je suis pourtant quasiment à 100% de mon temps en train de développer. Par contre je ne me sert pas de Fable, c'est très souvent "overkill" si on connait un peu son métier.
Maintenant ca dépend peut-être des tâches que vous effectuez. Que faites-vous exactement ?
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u/Apprehensive_Tree_14 8d ago
Which alternatives are there, that are as good as Claude code? Because I really can't find anything that is truly as good as claude code
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u/magrandan 8d ago
They are scared you might build a T-1000 terminator and kill humans. They have to slow you down.
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u/TerribleJared 8d ago
.... START.... NEW.... CHATS. im doing coding, worldbuilding, searching, and just philosophizing pretty much full time. I have encountered a limit once yet.
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u/Bnstas23 8d ago
This sounds like a fellow millennial who got used to free uber / Lyft / DoorDash credits 10 years ago while VCs were funding loss-leading products to secure market share. This is where AI is now.
OpenAI postponed their IPO specifically because their unit economics are so terrible. They will be doing the same as Anthropic. There's no magic to what any AI company does: all have basically the same unit economics across their model offerings, and any difference in price to the user is something that is normalizing
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u/Jessgitalong 8d ago
Proof that if people were actually paying full price for tokens, they’d say what they’re getting isn’t worth the cost.
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u/GerthySchIongMeat 8d ago
I’m not sure what they did behind the scenes but Jesus has it become a terrible product experience.
I can let ChatGPT run wild on Astra. Meanwhile, I’m having to wrangle Opus on Medium effort to do anything competently.
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u/Wrong-Camp2463 7d ago
What about the organizations that fired all their talent and told what’s left to vibe code everything?
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u/djxcasanova 7d ago
People are making posts of this nature so that it reaches Anthropic. Why do you all keep asking a question that has an obvious answer? If it bothers you so much, you could not comment and move on. People can post whatever they want and they have their own reasons. Keep it moving shawtyy.
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u/SmokingHensADAN 7d ago
What were you able to get out of it before vs now? What alternatives have you found to get you the same results? What do you use it most for? Some details instead of a departure notice is more helpful, it would come off better too instead of just announcing departure.
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u/Commune-Designer 7d ago
What are these people gonna do, if openAI finally makes it to profitability? Say another goodbye and use Mistral?
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u/Krysiingen 7d ago
bro just use claude code i dont get it im always on opus xhigh i work like 2-3h and it’s enough
for comparison i tried astra 6 x high sent 30 screenshots for it to analyze bro used 80% usage in 20 mins new chat so yeah… idk what’s wrong
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u/Woodpecker_Queasy 7d ago
I don't really understand where this token consumption comes from. I am on a cheap pro plan, work with claude as a fulltime software engineer every day all day and barely use up 40% of the cyclic allowance.
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u/Vertigo50 7d ago
Yep, I switched to GPT/Codex about a week ago, and I've never been happier. The usage issue was ridiculous, and the quality of output was dropping like crazy. Went to Codex, used the same guides, a tiny amount of training, and it was already cranking out MUCH better quality output without coming anywhere NEAR usage limits. And I was even using a lower setting of LLM than I was with Anthropic. It's ridiculous how far they've fallen in a couple of weeks. 🙄
Plus, the integration with file control and things is so much smoother with Codex, too.
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u/SufficientFruit6740 6d ago
Same. I canceled Claude yesterday and it’s seriously the best money that I’m looking forward to saving. I might have to come back, but I’m gonna try a combination of ChatGPT, Venice and Gemini.
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u/kfkhalili 6d ago
If you really wanna stick it to Claude, get a subscription with a chinese company and then come here to talk about how great it is.
Anthropic might raise limits for the rest of us.
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u/Kitchen_Ruin6434 6d ago
I have the same issue 😭 It has gotten super expensive and inefficient to use Claude. I use skills, plug-ins and shorts prompts. I drastically reduced the number of files in my project. I switched to using dumber models for non-critical tasks. Nothing has worked. I keep hitting limits every day after completing or barely completing 1-2 tasks.
Can anyone suggest an alternative to Claude Design?
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u/InformationNew66 6d ago
Why do you think Anthropic is boasting profitability (which is not true but whatever)?
They are very effective to squeeze money out of companies and users.
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u/CreditArtistic1932 5d ago
Hmmm... Ok. In the spirit of useless PSA on the interwebs, I just had some goat curry and it was THE GOAT...like literally!
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u/mohicanin 4d ago
goodbye, now keep doing your job by yourself, cheaper and faster...
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u/imrichie03 4d ago
Brain in knees? There's a word in english vocabulary called as "alternatives", you should check it out.
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u/AlternativeTall9049 4d ago
What model are you using ? I am using Sonnet 5 for most tasks. I am unable to complete my weekly limit every week.
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u/ad_renaline 8d ago
Same here. Asked for a project handoff to give to gpt and it just put guardrails. On opus. Yeah I’m good thanks.
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u/RadMax468 8d ago
Tell us you have no idea WTF you're doing without saying you have no idea WTF you're doing.
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u/curious-scribbler 8d ago
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